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Post by Dan F on Jun 4, 2012 20:46:36 GMT 1
If it was a fake, it was a very well done fake with the e-mail address provided - anyone have a response from it?
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Post by designhappy on Jun 4, 2012 20:47:24 GMT 1
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Post by BlueTone on Jun 4, 2012 20:51:18 GMT 1
Loggerheads yes please but no ducking lions please. There are no lions on the Shrewsbury or Shropshire flags. Lenny was the first lion to turn up and he' s a childrens tv charector from the 60's
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 4, 2012 21:06:31 GMT 1
I would speculate that the club may have been in touch with DH to suggest that they keep line of communication open with them and not the infamous B&A messageboard. Which for me is fair enough. There was some interesting quotes in the OP which the club may not want a future partner sharing with the general populous.
Ever the optimist, I see this as a fairly promising development.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 4, 2012 21:16:22 GMT 1
Hi just to let you know the original posters have decided its in their best interest to now move off b&a and deal direct with Stfc or just answer queries by email We have to respect that we all know the gist which is more than normal Let's just hope we get an happy ending
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 21:19:53 GMT 1
I have no doubt whatsoever that Design Happy's posts yesterday evening were totally genuine and have probably been removed at the club's request.
The original poster's comments actually strengthened the cause of the Loggerheads campaign by contradicting the false claims made by club staff regarding the impossibility of copyrighting the Loggerheads in a triangular position. Thus, it is highly unlikely that it was an attempted sabotage by hostile clip-art lion supporters.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 4, 2012 21:30:29 GMT 1
I have no doubt whatsoever that Design Happy's posts yesterday evening were totally genuine and have probably been removed at the club's request. The original poster's comments actually strengthened the cause of the Loggerheads campaign by contradicting the false claims made by club staff regarding the impossibility of copyrighting the Loggerheads in a triangular position. Thus, it is highly unlikely that it was an attempted sabotage by hostile clip-art lion supporters. Whale.......if you say so. But you weren't the one dootifully following a mower for miles today fearing the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 22:13:30 GMT 1
But you weren't the one dootifully following a mower for miles today fearing the worst. True enough. The only thing I cut down today was a couple of inaccurate claims by the pro-clip-art brigade.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 22:41:08 GMT 1
I have no doubt whatsoever that Design Happy's posts yesterday evening were totally genuine and have probably been removed at the club's request. The original poster's comments actually strengthened the cause of the Loggerheads campaign by contradicting the false claims made by club staff regarding the impossibility of copyrighting the Loggerheads in a triangular position. Thus, it is highly unlikely that it was an attempted sabotage by hostile clip-art lion supporters. Whale.......if you say so. But you weren't the one dootifully following a mower for miles today fearing the worst. Stop moaning, its your fault for havin' such a friggin big garden. Why don't you hire it out to the needy, like the Welsh or Wet Spam fans who can use it for grazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 22:46:45 GMT 1
damn! I see I've also missed out on all the fun!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 4, 2012 22:55:31 GMT 1
Whale.......if you say so. But you weren't the one dootifully following a mower for miles today fearing the worst. Stop moaning, its your fault for havin' such a friggin big garden. It wasn't my garden. And anyway, as the dragon will testify, I have a very small one.
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Jun 4, 2012 23:21:45 GMT 1
Tbh i'd honestly be happier to have a massive t*** tied in a blue ribbon as out emblem than Clippy, so whatever design you make with be an improvement.
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Post by TheDawleyShrew on Jun 5, 2012 1:31:01 GMT 1
These designs steam order of magnitude better than floppy but still not right. The goofy teeth look makes them look silly but its a start and shows what an be done
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Post by ianwhit on Jun 5, 2012 8:32:58 GMT 1
The original poster's comments actually strengthened the cause of the Loggerheads campaign by contradicting the false claims made by club staff regarding the impossibility of copyrighting the Loggerheads in a triangular position. Thus, it is highly unlikely that it was an attempted sabotage by hostile clip-art lion supporters. You can use my name as I am assuming you are refering to me? The club went through the process and during that process the loggerheads flagged up as a problem in the process of copyright, that's a fact. The thing that does let you down Geoff is your lack of respect when facts are put to you such as this and the costs associated with a change. It does make me disappointed with the way you go about things and just stay on your one sided high horse.
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Post by The Black Fingernail on Jun 5, 2012 9:19:30 GMT 1
It's not very often I agree with much that Ian Whit posts and although it's a bit "pot and kettle", I do think his comment regarding the style and verbosity of Geoff's posts is valid and detracts a little from the cause. That said, I applaud Geoff and the others who are driving this campaign and I hope they (we) succeed. I have bought shirts, scarves and other bits and pieces for myself and family members every year since the move but will not be buying any more until there's a firm promise from the club that the loggerheads badge is going to be reintroduced in one form or another. I should add that if the club commits to reverting back to a loggerheads design and should they make a case for a collection to fund it, I'll happily donate the cost of the next clippy shirt to the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 9:53:18 GMT 1
It's not very often I agree with much that Ian Whit posts and although it's a bit "pot and kettle", I do think his comment regarding the style and verbosity of Geoff's posts is valid and detracts a little from the cause. That said, I applaud Geoff and the others who are driving this campaign and I hope they (we) succeed. I have bought shirts, scarves and other bits and pieces for myself and family members every year since the move but will not be buying any more until there's a firm promise from the club that the loggerheads badge is going to be reintroduced in one form or another. All Geoff has achieved here is another obstacle. Do you honestly think the Board are going to listen to a guy who is encouraging his flock of 68 not to purchase from STFC club shop! With regard to the Design company KL8 should learn the art of "keeping his powder dry", any possibilities moving forward have been put back, but they should have known better not to come on this message board, and have clearly now disassociated themselves with B&A and KL8 regards the badge. And following comments such as I belive this ship has sailed sadly, as mentioed, every single thing that STFC have produced for the last five years, from plates, website desgin, merchendice, inhouse stationary, signs, stickers, branding, club ID has used this badge... the cost to replace this would be very high, and when you have football club that has spent the same period being frugle with money (understandable in the current climate) there is no chance this will be changed now... This is a very fair point although it was originally the club's mistake and, as such, they should be expected to foot the bill for its correction. I too do not hold out much hope for a return to the Loggerheads in the near future, although I believe Roland's resignation (whenever it occurs) may see a new chairman get the ball rolling. The chances of Roland Wycherley taking this campaign seriously is nil, all credibility has been lost and JH will know what side his bread is buttered on!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 5, 2012 10:21:40 GMT 1
I would guess the club are taking them seriously Obviously told them to clear off b&a or any deal is off Followed by "pesky meddling kids" ;-)
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Post by The Black Fingernail on Jun 5, 2012 10:22:28 GMT 1
You can put whatever spin on it you like Fred but I don't think DesignHappy have gone away and I suspect you don't either. Having spoken about this with other supporters, I find that everyone I've asked would prefer the loggerheads back although in fairness, one or two have questioned the cost. Mr Wycherley would be a fool to ignore this and as he clearly is not, I am really hopeful that sense will prevail and we will see the loggerheads back on the shirt in the near future. What is baffling me is how one or two on here can be so vociferous in their support of a clipart badge, yet their views can only represent a few hundred supporters at most and perhaps not even that many.
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Post by poolieshrew on Jun 5, 2012 10:53:51 GMT 1
You can put whatever spin on it you like Fred but I don't think DesignHappy have gone away and I suspect you don't either. Having spoken about this with other supporters, I find that everyone I've asked would prefer the loggerheads back although in fairness, one or two have questioned the cost. Mr Wycherley would be a fool to ignore this and as he clearly is not, I am really hopeful that sense will prevail and we will see the loggerheads back on the shirt in the near future. What is baffling me is how one or two on here can be so vociferous in their support of a clipart badge, yet their views can only represent a few hundred supporters at most and perhaps not even that many. A sensible accurate post amidst a pile of wasted lines. Would also be willing to contribute the cost of a new shirt to any war fund if it came to pass.Guys pointing towards this as an issue that could detract from playing budget fail to see the bigger picture or recognise the depth of feeling. There is life outside Internet world. Also the defence of clippy I have to say has been most entertaining in a make believe sort of way, I'm expecting to have to pay to view links very soon such is the hilarity of the content. Finally has anyone the time to call Lenny during this? Didn't think so he must be most upset , As a key part of the fabric of the club that should hurt us all to.
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Post by buryshrew on Jun 5, 2012 10:57:23 GMT 1
I'd hope and believe that the club is taking DH seriously. They are a credible company with a pedigree in this area, so there would be no logical reason to ignore them even if nothing came of any communication. It costs nothing to talk. And there would be no other possible explanation for them withdrawing their post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 11:03:50 GMT 1
Who said I am a clippy lover, I just think this whole campaign has been damaging to the club.
When there was the Port Vale ticket fiasco, I have to admit I was surprised the club back tracked as it will have cost them.
In doing so STFC made a rod for their own back because many will now think if they shout loud enough they will get their way and because of this STFC will not want to be seen to publically bow to this pressure. After the badge it will be something else.
With regards to collecting signatures outside the ground for the petition, I am sure it will do well, people quite often feel obliged to sign, I noticed this when collating many signatures for SUFAN.
I am sure the badge will change one day, but it will catch everyone by surprise, STFC will do it their way and at a time when they feel it is right to do it and thats how it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 11:09:03 GMT 1
Design Happy have worked with Fosters, Jamie Oliver and Muller; this would suggest they know what they are doing.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 5, 2012 11:16:02 GMT 1
I am sure the badge will change one day, but it will catch everyone by surprise, STFC will do it at a time when they feel it is right to do it and thats how it should be. That's how we ended up with a clip art lion that has no attachment to the club or the town it represents. We just want what is best for us, the supporters of the club. And call me old fashioned but I also think that's how the club should look at things too...
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Post by Shrewed on Jun 5, 2012 11:20:02 GMT 1
I have no idea whether the supposed posts from Design Happy is a valid post or whether it is a very clever fake.
However if you read their web site under, about, it suggests that the company has only been in existence for 2 years and there are no football related reference.
It amazes me that some so called fans over the club are prepared to deprive the club of revenue so that they can have a badge a minority fail to understand could be detrimental to the clubs progress.
No one within the pro change camp seems prepared to admit that the cost could be prohibited. One must therefore assume that they want the badge regardless of the cost and therefore regardless of the consequences to the club. Some fans!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 11:22:16 GMT 1
Design Happy have worked with Fosters, Jamie Oliver and Muller; this would suggest they know what they are doing. Don't dispute that, possibly made an error of judgement coming on Blue and Amber instead of going straight to the club!
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Post by designhappy on Jun 5, 2012 11:32:08 GMT 1
We would just like to point out that our account here was only created after someone posted our work on the message boards. The work was never originally intended to be shown on forums.
However, now it has, we take our approach and clients very seriously and therefore would kindly ask for patience.
As previously stated, we have worked with the Welsh Football Association, Arsenal FC and Wembley Stadium. Certain jobs are bound by contracts which mean they cannot be shown on a website and we are only allowed to show these jobs on request. Any questions can be directed towards our email which is hello@designhappy.co.uk
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 11:46:50 GMT 1
We would just like to point out that our account here was only created after someone posted our work on the message boards. The work was never originally intended to be shown on forums. However, now it has, we take our approach and clients very seriously and therefore would kindly ask for patience. As previously stated, we have worked with the Welsh Football Association, Arsenal FC and Wembley Stadium. Certain jobs are bound by contracts which mean they cannot be shown on a website and we are only allowed to show these jobs on request. Any questions can be directed towards our email which is hello@designhappy.co.uk Are you trying to keep yourself in the shop window by chance?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 12:10:09 GMT 1
The club went through the process and during that process the loggerheads flagged up as a problem in the process of copyright, that's a fact. Hi Ian, thank you for taking the time to add a response to this thread. The graphic design experts at Design Happy are adamant (scoring themselves a '10' on a scale from 1-10) that 'if you create your own style of loggerhead then you can copyright and place it in any position you see fit'.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 5, 2012 12:38:16 GMT 1
Cost is a consideration but we shouldn’t forget just how important brand identity and brand loyalty is to many supporters. It is an integral part of moving the club forward and it needs to be right (and hence this petition to get the club to change from the clip art). I think the Design Happy chap touched on this in their first post. Take some time out and Google about this, there is a fair bit out there talking about the importance of brand identity in football and the benefits it brings. So any investment now made in changing the clubs badge will reap benefits in the long run. So in getting a new badge and getting it right, we are investing in the future and the club (and its supporters) will benefit. In my opinion, to keep the current badge will in the long run cost the club money and will therefore lose out on funds to put towards the playing staff. I think the club know this too.
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 5, 2012 12:45:28 GMT 1
The club went through the process and during that process the loggerheads flagged up as a problem in the process of copyright, that's a fact. Hi Ian, thank you for taking the time to add a response to this thread. The graphic design experts at Design Happy are adamant (scoring themselves a '10' on a scale from 1-10) that 'if you create your own style of loggerhead then you can copyright and place it in any position you see fit'. I'm just wondering Geoff, if the club were misinformed over copyright issues at the time of the last re-branding. It's a distinct possibility given the that the club were also short-changed by Tony Brooks during this period. If Roland was to see Sean Broseley's excellent avatar, I'm sure he'd be less than amused, especially if Mr Brooks pocketed a tidy sum for the supposedly 'original' design.
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