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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 18:39:01 GMT 1
Well if you ask me I'd say he's getting better as he plays more, not saying he's the answer but many have written him off after the first three games. Yeah but DMShrew wrote him off before he'd played and clearly won't be offering any positive opinions about anything he does no matter what! It's like PeterBroadbent about Elder! I think Richards could be quicker, and sometimes his fitness lets him down - but he's hardly played so is going to be short in that area - but he can take set pieces, and looks attack minded - the goal against Barnet when he broke through the line of the defence showed that. In addition I'd say Richards looks to play elaborate passes more than any of the other midfielders i.e. across field passes to the opposite flank But we cant afford it, if you see my 1st post i am impressed with his 1 free kick, i like him on the bench but not starting, McAllister is a better player and fitness is needed, We need a partner for Macca if Wroe isnt fit, id like to see a loan signing for cover
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 31, 2011 18:42:12 GMT 1
I thought Richards and then Gornell improved us significantly on Saturday. The former because he passed the ball better & quicker than Wroe and the latter because he held the ball up better and made less obvious runs than Bradshaw.
The point about defenders being allowed to run and then just punting the ball is half fair but let's face it they're L2 defenders (not Franz Beckenbauer) and the movement in front of them was next to nil in the first half. Second half I thought Sharps et al did quite well.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 31, 2011 18:42:47 GMT 1
The point about defenders being allowed to run and then just punting the ball is half fair but let's face it they're L2 defenders (not Franz Beckenbauer) and the movement in front of them was next to nil in the first half. Second half I thought Sharps et al did quite well. I agree that the 2nd half was better but I don't understand why the defenders didn't bring the ball forward more in the 1st half. You don't need to be Beckenbauer to stroll through an uncontested centre circle (as it often was) and then play a simple pass. But we looked much more likely to break through when we did that than when our good possession play ended up with a wasted punt from our own half.
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 31, 2011 18:52:19 GMT 1
The point about defenders being allowed to run and then just punting the ball is half fair but let's face it they're L2 defenders (not Franz Beckenbauer) and the movement in front of them was next to nil in the first half. Second half I thought Sharps et al did quite well. I agree that the 2nd half was better but I don't understand why the defenders didn't bring the ball forward more in the 1st half. You don't need to be Beckenbauer to stroll through an uncontested centre circle (as it often was) and then play a simple pass. But we looked much more likely to break through when we did that than when our good possession play ended up with a wasted punt from our own half. I still think it's quite hard for L2 defenders who are bred to hoof to break that mould. You can see the fear in their eyes once they reach the half way line. That said you're probably right - Sheriff who is perhaps the most comfortable on the ball should have been encouraged to take the ball further forward.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 19:49:16 GMT 1
You have to remember Paul, that certain posters get a kick out of our failure to win games. Pointless arguing with them, as they don't want to cheer up. And all of a sudden we have the 3 wise monkeys - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. It would more Interesting to read your views about yesterday's game ex keeper rather than making stupid, irrelevant and totally inaccurate statements. I always find Ex-Keepers views on the game to be spot on. Mind you he does attend all home and away matches, so has a depth of knowledge on which to base his comments. Must admit i agree with him that there are some on here who seem to enjoy making negative comments about the town. Both Venceremos' and Ex- Keepers views on the towns performance, in my view, were on the money. Both discussed what they thought was the problem, but did'nt feel it neccessary to pour scorn or heavily criticise the failings of certain players. Maybe they are more mature than some, but i would much prefer to read their views( and i don't always agree with them) than that of the weary willies with their negativity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 19:53:46 GMT 1
And all of a sudden we have the 3 wise monkeys - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. It would more Interesting to read your views about yesterday's game ex keeper rather than making stupid, irrelevant and totally inaccurate statements. I always find Ex-Keepers views on the game to be spot on. Mind you he does attend all home and away matches, so has a depth of knowledge on which to base his comments. Must admit i agree with him that there are some on here who seem to enjoy making negative comments about the town. Both Venceremos' and Ex- Keepers views on the towns performance, in my view, were on the money. Both discussed what they thought was the problem, but did'nt feel it neccessary to pour scorn or heavily criticise the failings of certain players. Maybe they are more mature than some, but i would much prefer to read their views( and i don't always agree with them) than that of the weary willies with their negativity. Spot on yourself there BB
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 20:00:40 GMT 1
So to be clear, its ok to analyse and criticise, but if you feel a particular player is under performing or not at his best you need to shut up and keep it to yourself?
Get a grip.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 20:17:12 GMT 1
So to be clear, its ok to analyse and criticise, but if you feel a particular player is under performing or not at his best you need to shut up and keep it to yourself? Get a grip. Not sure if that is what BB meant as I read it. Certain posters have got it in for certain players and dont post very objectively regardless of how they play.............. with a couple of posters that negativity extends pretty much to the whole team. Of course there is nothing wrong with criticising any player's performance.........that is what makes football and messageboards tick. You said Wright contributed nothing attacking wise on Saturday.............. I strongly disagree............ just a difference in opinion, unless you have got it in for Wright all the time, which quite a few have.
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 31, 2011 20:22:51 GMT 1
Maybe mr BB it would be better if you expressed your views rather than attacking people for their views. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but I always find it better to discuss the football than the person making the comment. Surprisingly you might think, I often agree with posters like ex-keeper and proudsalopian, quite often the gist of what people say is very similar.
I think if you read the posts on here you'll see that the general consenus on Saturdays performance was that it was pretty poor. Sometime we might get your views.
By the way I actually think the mature way is to discuss the game openly without attacking the people you disagree with.
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 31, 2011 20:36:39 GMT 1
So to be clear, its ok to analyse and criticise, but if you feel a particular player is under performing or not at his best you need to shut up and keep it to yourself? Get a grip. Not sure if that is what BB meant as I read it. Certain posters have got it in for certain players and dont post very objectively regardless of how they play.............. with a couple of posters that negativity extends pretty much to the whole team. Of course there is nothing wrong with criticising any player's performance.........that is what makes football and messageboards tick. You said Wright contributed nothing attacking wise on Saturday.............. I strongly disagree............ just a difference in opinion, unless you have got it in for Wright all the time, which quite a few have. Paul, in the many years I have supported the Town there has always been players who large number of fans have thought were terrible and there is little that can be done to change that view equally there are fans who believe a player can do no wrong. But just because someone has a different view to yourself doesn't mean that either are right. Equally we can have different views on each game, in the games I have seen this season I have not been impressed with the Town I can think of several games where the have come away with 3 points where luck has been on the Town's side. You believe they have played well. It's a difference of opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 0:19:50 GMT 1
Maybe mr BB it would be better if you expressed your views rather than attacking people for their views. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but I always find it better to discuss the football than the person making the comment. Surprisingly you might think, I often agree with posters like ex-keeper and proudsalopian, quite often the gist of what people say is very similar. I think if you read the posts on here you'll see that the general consenus on Saturdays performance was that it was pretty poor. Sometime we might get your views. By the way I actually think the mature way is to discuss the game openly without attacking the people you disagree with. How about reading post 39 on this thread for a start. The general consensus was that the game was pretty poor, i don't think so. I don't understand your view that, as proffessionals, we should have found a way to break them down. You could say that as proffessionals Wimbledon found a way to keep us out, and they did! For your information, and you can take this whichever way you want, i get fed up with those who find it easier to criticise our players than to add anything constructive to their posts. Is that a mature enough answer for you?
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 1, 2011 8:13:04 GMT 1
Maybe mr BB it would be better if you expressed your views rather than attacking people for their views. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but I always find it better to discuss the football than the person making the comment. Surprisingly you might think, I often agree with posters like ex-keeper and proudsalopian, quite often the gist of what people say is very similar. I think if you read the posts on here you'll see that the general consenus on Saturdays performance was that it was pretty poor. Sometime we might get your views. By the way I actually think the mature way is to discuss the game openly without attacking the people you disagree with. How about reading post 39 on this thread for a start. The general consensus was that the game was pretty poor, i don't think so. I don't understand your view that, as proffessionals, we should have found a way to break them down. You could say that as proffessionals Wimbledon found a way to keep us out, and they did! For your information, and you can take this whichever way you want, i get fed up with those who find it easier to criticise our players than to add anything constructive to their posts. Is that a mature enough answer for you? I apologies for missing your post on this thread, I am also pleased you thought the Town played well, I disagree I thought it was a very poor performance that showed the failure to have a plan B, but that's football. I always wondered over the years what the difference been advice and criticism was. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I would have suggested comments like we needed to get the ball forward quicker was constructive, I would have said that comments that we need stronger players in midfield was constructive as in my opinion it would improve the team. What your previous post didn't do was add to the debate on how the the Town can improve but I suppose that's difficult if you believe they are playing well. I believe everyone who posts on here wants to see a successful Town team promoted, however many feel that there needs to be changes before that will be achieved.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 1, 2011 9:50:47 GMT 1
Congratulations Ed, you've discovered an argument that's impossible to lose.
All teams can be improved, Sunday saw a great midfield display by Modric and Parker, but your Spurs equivalent will be complaining that they're not as good as Xavi and Iniesta.
I've no doubt that a man as savvy and experienced as GT can see weaknesses in our team but he has to find and recruit players who are not only better than those we have now but also available and within our budget.
Meanwhile I'm happy with the progress we are making, while I acknowledge that we are a league 2 team with the flaws that are reasonable to expect at that level.
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 1, 2011 10:23:58 GMT 1
Congratulations Ed, you've discovered an argument that's impossible to lose. All teams can be improved, Sunday saw a great midfield display by Modric and Parker, but your Spurs equivalent will be complaining that they're not as good as Xavi and Iniesta. I've no doubt that a man as savvy and experienced as GT can see weaknesses in our team but he has to find and recruit players who are not only better than those we have now but also available and within our budget. Meanwhile I'm happy with the progress we are making, while I acknowledge that we are a league 2 team with the flaws that are reasonable to expect at that level. The problem with your argument is that we have been in this position for the last 5 or 6 seasons and it has got us nowhere. We aren't improving at best we are a static club stuck in this league for nearly 20 years. I hope this is the year we break out but from what I have seen this season I do not believe we have been good enough consistently to feel confident that this will be the season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 15:15:57 GMT 1
From what I've seen Gornell and Richards seem to have formed a clear link between Midfield and attack, where they drop and over lap for one another, I really want Wroe to prove me wrong but I can't say I've seen him play that well either the season or last, McAllister is technically as good as any but struggles because he's so small, I'd like to see a McAllister Richards partnership for the next few games you aint seen alot then, they have hardly been on the same pitch, Richards is a lieability against any side that play proper football as the game passes him by, maybe i have never liked him because to me hes less use than Mctyre who i also hated, Richards may make a link to forewards but the back door in the centre of the park and it will be an open gate, And to the comment "people should keep it to themselves" this is a message board where we debate Shrewsbury Town FC and everyone has an opinion, i think Wright had a decent game because he was shooting which was the only way to score and came closest, i liked Richards free kicks but thats not enough for me personally
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Post by venceremos on Nov 1, 2011 19:09:15 GMT 1
Congratulations Ed, you've discovered an argument that's impossible to lose. All teams can be improved, Sunday saw a great midfield display by Modric and Parker, but your Spurs equivalent will be complaining that they're not as good as Xavi and Iniesta. I've no doubt that a man as savvy and experienced as GT can see weaknesses in our team but he has to find and recruit players who are not only better than those we have now but also available and within our budget. Meanwhile I'm happy with the progress we are making, while I acknowledge that we are a league 2 team with the flaws that are reasonable to expect at that level. The problem with your argument is that we have been in this position for the last 5 or 6 seasons and it has got us nowhere. We aren't improving at best we are a static club stuck in this league for nearly 20 years. I hope this is the year we break out but from what I have seen this season I do not believe we have been good enough consistently to feel confident that this will be the season. We aren't improving? Depends where you start from. Just because it's proving hard to win promotion doesn't mean we're not improving. We finished 4th last season and we're close to the top again this time, having played as tough a bunch of away fixtures as we're likely to face all season. But I know you have the benefit of having seen the best Shrewsbury teams that I don't. But I still don't understand how you can say we're a static club. I've only been around here regularly for the last 7-8 years or so but I don't think there's any comparison between the club I first visited a decade ago and the one I watch now. Of course we have our weaknesses but I'd say the quality of football has improved pretty steadily while I've been watching, never mind the advances the club has made off the pitch. By the way, if I didn't know better I'd think you were airbrushing history - "stuck in this league for nearly 20 years"? Not counting our season out of it then?
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 1, 2011 19:37:45 GMT 1
Vencermos the point I was making is that over the last 5/6 years we have been in a similar position in the league to where we are now. I agree our away fixtures have been tough but equally it would be difficult to find a much easier series of home fixtures. A bit of swings and roundabout.
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