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Post by saloplad93 on Oct 30, 2011 13:19:25 GMT 1
I think we should be looking at Josh Wright. Out of contract after leaving Sc***horpe in the summer, he picked up an injury whilst looking for a championship club in the summer and is a real quality player who is still looking for a team after recovering from injury
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Post by ragnvaldr on Oct 30, 2011 13:32:47 GMT 1
Some people shouldn't be allowed to comment on football matches if they are clueless about the game. Comment on tiddlywinks or snakes and ladders because thats some people on heres limit. At this moment in time Richards and McCallister is our best partnership, Wroe has been off form for weeks and just hasn't been good enough. Taylor gets 15 minutes and hasn't had chance to shine at all this season, Wright drifts far too much out of the game over 90 minutes but often puts in a match winning 10 or 20 minutes at different times during a game when he actually gets into the game. Yesterday he had such a spell and should have buried the couple of chances he had. The only problem I see with this team is clincal finishing when chances arise, yesterday was a prime example when we could have easily won 4 or 5 with composure.
Back to Matt Richards again yesteday was the first time we have seen him use his shooting ability from free kicks, those who had made note of what he did for walsall last year would know hes a very capable deadball shooter. The McCallister/Richards partnership gives us two offensive distributors and two defensive midfielders. The only weakness i see with the two is there arial ability.
A couple of clinical games should see us mount our goal difference up a bit. The problem at the moment is patient possession brand of football we are playing, but eventually they will get it right and win games comfortable when it clicks in which there are signs this may happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 15:28:26 GMT 1
one thing i cant stand is people moaning when a central midfield player passes backwards. whenever the ball wasnt pumped forward by richards, wroe or macallister its met by groans. ridiculous. everyone who knows anything about the game knows that sometimes you do need to go back to go forwards. rant over. i think the midfield kept the ball well today. retained possesion brilliantly, although we still lack a creative spark in there which is particularly obvious on days like today. You are right sometimes you need to go back to go forward, unfortunately with our current midfield we rarely go forward. Your exactly right, think our midfield is too similar and lacks that creative and attacking edge. Theres a player out there who I know would make all the difference, Kevin someone I think he's called, playing left back for a L2 side currently but no doubt would be the sort of a dynamic midfielder that would spur us onto the attacking, free flowing football we all want
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 15:34:56 GMT 1
Wroe wasnt that bad but it was McAllister who was best, all Richards did was put other people in trouble with some silly passes, he is a luxury player, McAllister does so much unnoticed work
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 15:37:29 GMT 1
You are right sometimes you need to go back to go forward, unfortunately with our current midfield we rarely go forward. Your exactly right, think our midfield is too similar and lacks that creative and attacking edge. Theres a player out there who I know would make all the difference, Kevin someone I think he's called, playing left back for a L2 side currently but no doubt would be the sort of a dynamic midfielder that would spur us onto the attacking, free flowing football we all want Now now PS, no sarchasm please. We all know you mean Hall from Oxford.......... we should never have let him go either with his attacking prowess, six goals already this season
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 15:41:21 GMT 1
Joking aside, I do agree with Ed that midfield is our biggest problem
What just makes me laugh is one minute its we need someone big to win headers and to put a tackle in, the next is we need someone who will attack and add some creativity. And all of this whilst defending a midfield of Disley and McIntyre.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 15:51:11 GMT 1
Joking aside, I do agree with Ed that midfield is our biggest problem What just makes me laugh is one minute its we need someone big to win headers and to put a tackle in, the next is we need someone who will attack and add some creativity. And all of this whilst defending a midfield of Disley and McIntyre. Midfield players will always get stick IMO. You look at some of the very good ones we have had over time, Kelly, Evans, McNally, Edwards............... some fans tore them apart and yet they all went on to play at a very decent level. I don't put our current 3some in that league but their contribution this season has been significant. I notice that between them they have won 5 of the man of the match votes above Wroe won 3 in a row How important it is I don't know but they are all weak in the air and this particularly stands out against how good the rest of the team are at heading.......... little Ainsworth
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 30, 2011 15:58:07 GMT 1
Your exactly right, think our midfield is too similar and lacks that creative and attacking edge. Theres a player out there who I know would make all the difference, Kevin someone I think he's called, playing left back for a L2 side currently but no doubt would be the sort of a dynamic midfielder that would spur us onto the attacking, free flowing football we all want I would definitely like to sign Robert Hall that's currently at Oxford if west ham ever let him go . Should have signed Peter Leven that went to Oxford average of nearly a goal every 5 games from midfield. Now now PS, no sarchasm please. We all know you mean Hall from Oxford.......... we should never have let him go either with his attacking prowess, six goals already this season
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 20:17:47 GMT 1
Joking aside, I do agree with Ed that midfield is our biggest problem What just makes me laugh is one minute its we need someone big to win headers and to put a tackle in, the next is we need someone who will attack and add some creativity. And all of this whilst defending a midfield of Disley and McIntyre. Surely the answer is a well balanced mid field that contains all these elements. Hardly rocket science
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 20:50:11 GMT 1
Wroe is a good player and no mistake. Unfortunately he is suffering from a loss of form at the moment, or maybe he has been carrying an injury which let him down eventually. Wroe and McAllister are our best pairing in midfield, with Richards coming on in the event we need to change things due to injury etc. I thought overall, we played well yesterday. Wimbledon had just come to us off the back of two heavy defeats. They were not going to get stuffed again. They may have lost, but their main objective was a point ( with a clean sheet) and thats what they got. Not pretty, but if the roles had been reversed i'm sure we would have come back from their ground chuffed with a point. Our problem is that we started slowly. I enjoy watching us keep the ball, passing , working the openings, but there were times when we overdid it when we could, and should have released the ball quicker. Is that the midfielders fault , or maybe the forwards fault for not making the runs for them they expect. Reading posts on here it seems some are suffering from the doom and glooms. We are 6th, very close to the promotion chasing pack, with a third of the season ONLY, gone. I agree with some one who posted a strange team set up, with Grandison midfield and Ainsworth just behind the front two. Sometimes, due to circumstances, changes are made which can define a season. SERENDIPITY i think its called.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Oct 30, 2011 20:53:43 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 21:17:37 GMT 1
No disrespect, but why do we "throw in" names of randomn players who we have hardly, if at all, seen play? Or, on basis do we feel that they will provide the answer to our perceived failings. Weird .
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Oct 30, 2011 21:30:08 GMT 1
There's a piece on Campbell being made available in todays League Paper which is why I threw the name in - seen him play on a number of occasions and he is certainly not an unknown though at 34 he is a bit long in the tooth I'd guess.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 30, 2011 21:36:36 GMT 1
Wroe wasnt that bad but it was McAllister who was best, all Richards did was put other people in trouble with some silly passes, he is a luxury player, McAllister does so much unnoticed work Aren't you the poster who slated Richards since we first signed him and have slated him ever since?
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Post by oteley on Oct 30, 2011 21:52:40 GMT 1
Some people shouldn't be allowed to comment on football matches if they are clueless about the game. Comment on tiddlywinks or snakes and ladders because thats some people on heres limit. At this moment in time Richards and McCallister is our best partnership, Wroe has been off form for weeks and just hasn't been good enough. Taylor gets 15 minutes and hasn't had chance to shine at all this season, Wright drifts far too much out of the game over 90 minutes but often puts in a match winning 10 or 20 minutes at different times during a game when he actually gets into the game. Yesterday he had such a spell and should have buried the couple of chances he had. The only problem I see with this team is clincal finishing when chances arise, yesterday was a prime example when we could have easily won 4 or 5 with composure. Back to Matt Richards again yesteday was the first time we have seen him use his shooting ability from free kicks, those who had made note of what he did for walsall last year would know hes a very capable deadball shooter. The McCallister/Richards partnership gives us two offensive distributors and two defensive midfielders. The only weakness i see with the two is there arial ability. A couple of clinical games should see us mount our goal difference up a bit. The problem at the moment is patient possession brand of football we are playing, but eventually they will get it right and win games comfortable when it clicks in which there are signs this may happen. Matter of opinions isn't it? For the record I disagree with most of what you say but don't believe it's crap, just your opinion. Wroe is our best midfielder but I do agree that he's off form. McAllister is neat and tidy but nothing more and struggles to physically compete. Richards has a great left foot and probably deserves a run though not convinced he's the answer. We do need a loan midfielder to freshen things up, don't know much about Josh Wright but we need a dominant midfielder who can grab hold of a game.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 30, 2011 22:57:51 GMT 1
[/img] [/quote] You have to remember Paul, that certain posters get a kick out of our failure to win games. Pointless arguing with them, as they don't want to cheer up.
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 30, 2011 23:14:56 GMT 1
[/img] [/quote] You have to remember Paul, that certain posters get a kick out of our failure to win games. Pointless arguing with them, as they don't want to cheer up.[/quote] And all of a sudden we have the 3 wise monkeys - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. It would more Interesting to read your views about yesterday's game ex keeper rather than making stupid, irrelevant and totally inaccurate statements.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 11:47:08 GMT 1
Wroe wasnt that bad but it was McAllister who was best, all Richards did was put other people in trouble with some silly passes, he is a luxury player, McAllister does so much unnoticed work Aren't you the poster who slated Richards since we first signed him and have slated him ever since? Yep and people i know now agree, he isnt the right player for town and i can see a few heads have turned,
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 31, 2011 11:51:08 GMT 1
Aren't you the poster who slated Richards since we first signed him and have slated him ever since? Yep and people i know now agree, he isnt the right player for town and i can see a few heads have turned, Well if you ask me I'd say he's getting better as he plays more, not saying he's the answer but many have written him off after the first three games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 13:41:30 GMT 1
Joking aside, I do agree with Ed that midfield is our biggest problem What just makes me laugh is one minute its we need someone big to win headers and to put a tackle in, the next is we need someone who will attack and add some creativity. And all of this whilst defending a midfield of Disley and McIntyre. Surely the answer is a well balanced mid field that contains all these elements. Hardly rocket science Yep, which is why I find it so hard to believe that Ed is so critical of our current midfield but has defended the likes of McIntyre and Disley In recent years we have had some of the following midfielders McIntyre Disley Murray Dunfield Mcallister Richards Wroe In my eyes none of them are particularly attack minded, none of them are strong ball winners and none of them are particularly creative. They are all mainly players who like to keep it simple and dont do anything spectacular. However I would argue that Wroe & Mcallister are an improvement on recent midfield partnerships, but it is very evident that its still a weak area for us. Ive said I agree with Ed that it needs improving, what I dont agree with is that McIntyre would improve it and would be a step backwards
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 31, 2011 14:01:28 GMT 1
PS just an interesting point which I know proves nothing at this stage last season we had 28 points conceded 17 goals and scored 26 the more cynical of us could suggest that in 12 months the Town have gone backwards ever so slightly.
One thing that many fans seem to fail to recognise is that although it looks pretty passing the ball from side to side when you are playing a team determined to get men behind the ball all you are doing is giving them time to build a fortress defence.
What happened on Saturday was once Wroe went off we increased the pace of the attacks creating more opportunities. Without implying that the slow play is all down to Wroe the pace of the game definitely increased with the introduction of Richards.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 31, 2011 14:19:37 GMT 1
The problem on Saturday, eas more to do with the back 4 than the midfield. On countless occasions, the keper rolled the ball to one of the full backs, who then passed square to a centre back. after 3 or 4 such passes, the ball was returned to Sharps, who advanced 10 yards before hitting a hopeful 60 yard punt in the general direction of Morgan. The ball tended to miss Morgan and go through to the keeper/dead ball line. The time taken in passing along the back line gave the Dons time to get ten men behind the ball and stifle any space for our midfield. For what it's worth I thought that Richards was by far our best midfielder on Saturday, but the team as a whole must learn to attack with pace, not try to play like Barcelona, who have "marginally" better players than us.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 31, 2011 14:48:50 GMT 1
Jesus the way some people moan on here!
Have a look at the points part........
1 Southend 16 17 35 2 Crawley Town 16 11 35 3 Morecambe 16 17 29
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 Oxford Utd 16 11 29 5 Cheltenham 16 6 29 6 Shrewsbury 16 4 28 7 Swindon 16 10 26
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8 Burton Albion 15 5 26 9 Port Vale 16 8 25 10 Gillingham 16 6 24 11 Macclesfield 16 3 24 12 AFC Wimbledon 16 -5 24 13 Torquay 16 0 21 14 Rotherham 16 -1 21 15 Bristol Rovers 16 -5 21 16 Aldershot 15 2 20 17 Crewe 16 -4 19 18 Northampton 16 -7 16 19 Accrington 16 -7 16 20 Hereford 16 -14 16 21 Bradford 16 -6 14 22 Dag & Red 16 -13 13
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23 Barnet 16 -17 12 24 Plymouth 16 -21 8
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Post by venceremos on Oct 31, 2011 14:50:02 GMT 1
I agree with you exkeeper. It was only in the 2nd half that we brought a bit of urgency to our play and the centre backs realised they could actually carry the ball unchallenged into the Wimbledon half and then try to deliver a more thoughtful pass than the hit and hope stuff we do far too much of. Had our passing been better, we could have got the goal to win it.
Getting a bit tired of the constant slating of the midfield (pick any 1 from 3) and the "he's the best and the other one's rubbish" type comments. All three have shown good quality at times but we need a bit more consistency. Wroe's fitness permitting, I'd like to see all three play at Dagenham. We're too dependent on our potentially match winning but sometimes ineffective (as on Saturday) wingers and that's leaving us short in too many games.
Wright gets slated for not being a battler when Ainsworth is just as guilty of that - but that's not really their game is it? You might as well criticise the central midfielders for not running at their opponents. I know modern football requires a much more identikit type of player (more's the pity) but we're not quite at the stage where a team has 10 clones and a keeper.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 31, 2011 14:52:11 GMT 1
Jesus the way some people moan on here! How times have changed, eh SSS?! But glad you're still so positive, and rightly so - I confess I wasn't feeling that way on Saturday night.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 31, 2011 14:59:22 GMT 1
I know LOL, things are better at Salop on the pitch than many years, I left Saturday thinking 'OK so we didn't win but enjoyed the game'.
Players try and were ONE point off top 3, sure some people won't be happy unless were 20 points clear at the top.
Yes were a big club budget wise compaired to most in this year, however the gap in League 2 between rich and poor is alot smaller than say Man City and Wigan in the top flight.
Wroe - Macca - Richards are doing OK, we can't win every game and each point picked up is nearer than amount were need May.
Were doing bloody well at home.
Wright sometimes drifts in and out of games but you know the guy has a goal in him when least expected, Morgan is playing well even though not scoring.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 31, 2011 14:59:48 GMT 1
Yep and people i know now agree, he isnt the right player for town and i can see a few heads have turned, Well if you ask me I'd say he's getting better as he plays more, not saying he's the answer but many have written him off after the first three games. Yeah but DMShrew wrote him off before he'd played and clearly won't be offering any positive opinions about anything he does no matter what! It's like PeterBroadbent about Elder! I think Richards could be quicker, and sometimes his fitness lets him down - but he's hardly played so is going to be short in that area - but he can take set pieces, and looks attack minded - the goal against Barnet when he broke through the line of the defence showed that. In addition I'd say Richards looks to play elaborate passes more than any of the other midfielders i.e. across field passes to the opposite flank
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 31, 2011 16:48:27 GMT 1
I thought Richards and then Gornell improved us significantly on Saturday. The former because he passed the ball better & quicker than Wroe and the latter because he held the ball up better and made less obvious runs than Bradshaw.
The point about defenders being allowed to run and then just punting the ball is half fair but let's face it they're L2 defenders (not Franz Beckenbauer) and the movement in front of them was next to nil in the first half. Second half I thought Sharps et al did quite well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 17:22:36 GMT 1
From what I've seen Gornell and Richards seem to have formed a clear link between Midfield and attack, where they drop and over lap for one another,
I really want Wroe to prove me wrong but I can't say I've seen him play that well either the season or last,
McAllister is technically as good as any but struggles because he's so small,
I'd like to see a McAllister Richards partnership for the next few games
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 31, 2011 17:37:41 GMT 1
think the problem might lie with the frontmen. nobody really links attack and midfield and drifts deep. we suffered the same problem last year.
the only player in the current first team picture who i feel could link the attack and midfield would be ainsworth. try him off morgan or collins in a similar position to which he played at lincoln last season?
not sure bradshaw does the job as the second striker, reminds me of jake robinson, tends to drift in and out of games.
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