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Post by Shrewed on Oct 29, 2011 19:35:03 GMT 1
Being positive our central midfield are great at the 5 yard square or backward pass but if you expect them to win a tackle or a header or make an incisive pass you'll have to wait a long time. Time for GT to go into the loan Market.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 29, 2011 19:38:11 GMT 1
Well we visited the loan market last season and got Davis who I thought was the complete package but many disagreed. As for today, I thought bar the first 25 minutes of the second half, we bypassed the midfield too often. But a clean sheet hope, they must have been doing their defensive duties
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 29, 2011 19:38:44 GMT 1
Wroe's suffering a dip in form at the moment but even at his peak, im not sure him and McCallister is a good enough partnership to get us automatic...
All three are individually very good players but it's a partnership we need so i'd be inclined to dip in to the loan market too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 21:17:38 GMT 1
No RICHARDS is poor, McAllister and Wroe are good, id like a partner for Sean at the moment who was my man of the match for just getting the ball and trying, if Richards was a utility player id be fine but day 1, cant tackle, run with ball, win a physical battle. His only good points are that he takes a good free kick and makes runs to score goals
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 29, 2011 21:18:38 GMT 1
Richards put in a decent showing today, the most accomplished of the three in possession of a football IMO.
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 29, 2011 21:29:27 GMT 1
one thing i cant stand is people moaning when a central midfield player passes backwards. whenever the ball wasnt pumped forward by richards, wroe or macallister its met by groans. ridiculous. everyone who knows anything about the game knows that sometimes you do need to go back to go forwards. rant over. i think the midfield kept the ball well today. retained possesion brilliantly, although we still lack a creative spark in there which is particularly obvious on days like today.
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 29, 2011 21:37:56 GMT 1
one thing i cant stand is people moaning when a central midfield player passes backwards. whenever the ball wasnt pumped forward by richards, wroe or macallister its met by groans. ridiculous. everyone who knows anything about the game knows that sometimes you do need to go back to go forwards. rant over. i think the midfield kept the ball well today. retained possesion brilliantly, although we still lack a creative spark in there which is particularly obvious on days like today. You are right sometimes you need to go back to go forward, unfortunately with our current midfield we rarely go forward.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 21:54:46 GMT 1
Richards was probably our best player today.
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 29, 2011 21:59:09 GMT 1
Richards was probably our best player today. think mcallister outshone him by far. doesnt seem good enough, simple as. i'd rather disley, mcintyre or even see how ryan woods performs. just dont rate him.
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Post by bertymax on Oct 29, 2011 21:59:44 GMT 1
Bar Lionel, our most in form midfielder is currently on loan at Hairyfud
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Oct 29, 2011 22:01:46 GMT 1
Richards put in a decent showing today, the most accomplished of the three in possession of a football IMO. Couldn"t agree more!
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Post by vivasalopia on Oct 29, 2011 22:02:08 GMT 1
Richards was definitely our best midfielder today. His passing was better than Wroe's/McAllister's as well.
I think Richards is slated on here by some extremely harshly. He's played a handful of games for us in which he's done ok in, so why do some people think he's dreadful?
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 29, 2011 22:06:48 GMT 1
Richards was definitely our best midfielder today. His passing was better than Wroe's/McAllister's as well. I think Richards is slated on here by some extremely harshly. He's played a handful of games for us in which he's done ok in, so why do some people think he's dreadful? he has no real qualities for a start. i was told he was a holding midfield player when he first arrived but he doesn't seem to be. i acknowledge he hasnt had a real run in the side yet although first impressions he seems slow and a very average passer. not sure how some people have come to the conclusion that he's a great passer and was our MOM today..?
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Post by vivasalopia on Oct 29, 2011 22:23:20 GMT 1
Richards was definitely our best midfielder today. His passing was better than Wroe's/McAllister's as well. I think Richards is slated on here by some extremely harshly. He's played a handful of games for us in which he's done ok in, so why do some people think he's dreadful? he has no real qualities for a start. i was told he was a holding midfield player when he first arrived but he doesn't seem to be. i acknowledge he hasnt had a real run in the side yet although first impressions he seems slow and a very average passer. not sure how some people have come to the conclusion that he's a great passer and was our MOM today..? I get the impression he is a very similar player to Nicky Wroe. After all, he did score 9 goals last season, so I don't imagine he's a holding player (Although a few were set-pieces). I don't think he was our MoM today. For me, it was Grandison. he was however, our best midfielder as he seemed to work the ball a little more intelligently than the others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 22:32:11 GMT 1
one thing i cant stand is people moaning when a central midfield player passes backwards. whenever the ball wasnt pumped forward by richards, wroe or macallister its met by groans. ridiculous. everyone who knows anything about the game knows that sometimes you do need to go back to go forwards. rant over. i think the midfield kept the ball well today. retained possesion brilliantly, although we still lack a creative spark in there which is particularly obvious on days like today. Exactly, it is called recycling the play to maintain possesion, unfortunately too many don't understand the game as you suggest. I thought Richards was excellant today, and whenever he is on the pitch at last we have someone who looks like he can score from a free kick just outside the 18 yard area, something the team has lacked since Ben Davies left.
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Post by shrew4life on Oct 29, 2011 22:53:07 GMT 1
Wroe was infuriating today, sat in line and sometimes behind the defence instead of running forward and creating space and giving his team mates the option to pass to him. We desperately need a new midfielder, ours is embarrassingly average.
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Post by littlebluefoot on Oct 30, 2011 11:02:31 GMT 1
This was Richards best performanc so far IMO, but I'm still not convinced he gives us anything extra and also think he is a squad player at best. Mentioned on other threads, how about putting 'Hightower' (Grandison) in midfield, Goldson is more than able to provide the cover at right-back? He is a tall, strong player, so will challenge in the air, has the skill to take on players, but don't know what his shooting ability is! Just a thought
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Post by smurf on Oct 30, 2011 11:14:37 GMT 1
A top name for the young man "HIGHTOWER"
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Post by starlight on Oct 30, 2011 11:16:29 GMT 1
Richards played well and it a fantastic save by their keeper to stop his superb free kick from going in the top corner.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 30, 2011 11:23:04 GMT 1
Can certainly see the logic of putting Grandison in midfield, but would prefer us to bring in a loan player with experience in that role, and leave Grandison at right back, where he's forming a good partnership with Ainsworth
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 11:23:48 GMT 1
Agree that the midfield didnt seem on top of its game yesterday. I cant help but think that we carry Wright far too often and in recent weeks he seems more and more ineffective on the wing.
Dont get me wrong, i think he is a top class player at this level and on his day is a match winner without doubt, but he is no battler, all too often appears to bottle challenges and seems very much on the outside looking in.
This means of coarse more work for those playing around him, winning back the lost ball or fighting the challenge he left and it just feels like he is a bit of a burden.
Of coarse i say all this and he will play that one ball, or score that one scorching goal that makes it all better!!
Far too much side ways and backwards passing yesterday as well, which i guess as much as anything is down to a lack of movement or creativity, with Lionet being our only real attacking option for most of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 11:53:29 GMT 1
Strange how a few posters were criticising our midfield for not protecting our defence when we were leaking goals and now we have secured a couple of clean sheets, they get blasted. Isnt it just a bit technically naive to have central midfielders rampaging forward when our side contains two attacking wide midfield players and two full backs who are encourged to push on. And just for the record, regardless of Wright's brace of chances, IMO Wroe's two shots in the first half and Richard's well saved free kick were just as good chances............. how dare they attack in this way . I too thought Richards had a good game and if Wroe is injured for the next game or so, he has earnt himself a chance at earning the shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 12:04:02 GMT 1
Strange how a few posters were criticising our midfield for not protecting our defence when we were leaking goals and now we have secured a couple of clean sheets, they get blasted. Isnt it just a bit technically naive to have central midfielders rampaging forward when our side contains two attacking wide midfield players and two full backs who are encourged to push on. And just for the record, regardless of Wright's brace of chances, IMO Wroe's two shots in the first half and Richard's well saved free kick were just as good chances............. how dare they attack in this way . I too thought Richards had a good game and if Wroe is injured for the next game or so, he has earnt himself a chance at earning the shirt. I guess there must be a middle ground though where the midfield is able to attack when we have posession, and defend when we dont? And is it not fair to say that we really only had one attacking wide midfielder on the pitch yesterday? Wright did little imo in the way of attacking!!
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 30, 2011 12:07:31 GMT 1
Strange how a few posters were criticising our midfield for not protecting our defence when we were leaking goals and now we have secured a couple of clean sheets, they get blasted. Isnt it just a bit technically naive to have central midfielders rampaging forward when our side contains two attacking wide midfield players and two full backs who are encourged to push on. And just for the record, regardless of Wright's brace of chances, IMO Wroe's two shots in the first half and Richard's well saved free kick were just as good chances............. how dare they attack in this way . I too thought Richards had a good game and if Wroe is injured for the next game or so, he has earnt himself a chance at earning the shirt. I guess there must be a middle ground though where the midfield is able to attack when we have posession, and defend when we dont? And is it not fair to say that we really only had one attacking wide midfielder on the pitch yesterday? Wright did little imo in the way of attacking!! No, only had 2 fabulous chances in a game containing few overall!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 12:09:06 GMT 1
Strange how a few posters were criticising our midfield for not protecting our defence when we were leaking goals and now we have secured a couple of clean sheets, they get blasted. Isnt it just a bit technically naive to have central midfielders rampaging forward when our side contains two attacking wide midfield players and two full backs who are encourged to push on. And just for the record, regardless of Wright's brace of chances, IMO Wroe's two shots in the first half and Richard's well saved free kick were just as good chances............. how dare they attack in this way . I too thought Richards had a good game and if Wroe is injured for the next game or so, he has earnt himself a chance at earning the shirt. I guess there must be a middle ground though where the midfield is able to attack when we have posession, and defend when we dont? And is it not fair to say that we really only had one attacking wide midfielder on the pitch yesterday? Wright did little imo in the way of attacking!! So you think Wright had no runs, no shots and no crosses into the box yesterday. Yes his quality was not as good as it can be granted, but what game were you watching ?
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Post by Shrewed on Oct 30, 2011 12:12:47 GMT 1
Strange how a few posters were criticising our midfield for not protecting our defence when we were leaking goals and now we have secured a couple of clean sheets, they get blasted. Isnt it just a bit technically naive to have central midfielders rampaging forward when our side contains two attacking wide midfield players and two full backs who are encourged to push on. And just for the record, regardless of Wright's brace of chances, IMO Wroe's two shots in the first half and Richard's well saved free kick were just as good chances............. how dare they attack in this way . I too thought Richards had a good game and if Wroe is injured for the next game or so, he has earnt himself a chance at earning the shirt. Surely the fact that the last two games were against teams with little or no attacking intent suggest that professional footballers should be able to adjust their game to reflect the opposition. Wroe's two shot that is surely a misnomer high wide and handsome comes to mind for the first second would hardly have reached the goal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 12:17:31 GMT 1
You're wasting your time Paul.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 30, 2011 12:19:08 GMT 1
You're wasting your time Paul. It's like talking to a brick wall isn't it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 12:33:41 GMT 1
You're wasting your time Paul. It's like talking to a brick wall isn't it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 12:55:50 GMT 1
Apart from the defenders, Wroe is the only one who attempts to play the long diagonal ball to the wings. When he fails with this there are groans and if he passes the ball sideways there are moans from the same people. You just cannot please some people.
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