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Post by barrynic on May 4, 2011 17:28:11 GMT 1
.............Bin Ladens family are not amused............he had only just taken out a contract with Orange for an iphone 4.
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Post by swindonred (read your pm) on May 5, 2011 7:56:17 GMT 1
Taken from Iraq-war.ru.
1. A guy who hasn't made a video or had a picture taken of him in almost 10 years suddenly shows up living in the 'burbs next to a Pakistani military base. Prior to 2002 he was making videos, giving interviews, left right and center. Now he was supposedly chillaxing next to a Pakistani base which would have been aware of his existence for years and couldn't pass a single 'Call to Jihad' or whatever in that time to his protectors? Weird things happen indeed but a person cannot change his nature just like this, especially when Al-Qaeda has done **** all this decade apart from blowing up markets in the third-world. Not a single video to rally the troops in a decade, half of which was supposedly spent in a city with easy access to communications?
2. The US go 'Hoohah!' and send in the clowns(SF). They have 'Osama' surprised and cornered and unarmed in a bedroom. THEY HAVE THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED TERRORIST; THE DEVIL HIMSELF; AT THEIR MERCY but instead of tying him up, putting a bag over his head and shipping him away to Gitmo and for a trial where they could milk the propaganda for all it's worth, they kill him. How stupid is this?
OBL alive could divulge a lot of information the CIA could only dream of having! Even if he kept mum, there are huge benefits in having a 'legal' trial to show how superior the USA is, and how it respects the rights of even Belzeebub! Finally, everyone in the world would be able to take a look at this creature in a cage, take tests and see that IT REALLY IS BIN LADEN!
3. When killing 'Bin Laden' they also make sure to shoot him in the face so as to make visual identification just that extra bit harder and more ambiguous should somehow something happen between this time and getting rid of the body, like the helicopter they were meant to escape in failing to start. Not in the leg like the woman, not in the arms or the chest, but the head! Not really a good place to shoot a guy when you know that people will be asking for photographic or video proof as part of any identification of the body.
4. After two decades of blowing apart and frying Muslims; burying them alive in trenches, leaving their bodies to rot in the sun, taking away bodies for examination for days etc. the US SUDDENLY BECOMES A PIOUS MUSLIM NATION ready to administer all the trappings of a 'dignified' Muslim burial to its greatest enemy! Even here they make sure that they do not follow the burial rights correctly given the circumstances; they make sure that instead of burying him where his body could be examined in future(shrine talk is just a smokescreen), they dump him at sea. They don't do an autopsy, take longer as is possible to further corroborate their claims, but instead show their 'faith' by getting rid of the body as fast as possible.
Each one of these things would cause doubt about the identity of the guy they shot. Together, and with the illogical justifications for points 2,3 and 4 it points to the conclusion that all these things were done in order to make a real independent examination of this person impossible. There was EVERY BENEFIT IN KEEPING THIS GUY ALIVE OR AT THE VERY LEAST KEEPING HIS BODY yet they chose not to. At any point, they could have stopped and allowed someone else to take samples of and examine the body whether dead or alive, INTERPOL, the UN, anybody. He would also have been of much greater benefit alive for a bit longer at least for the US Government itself!
Why do this? The only thing that makes sense is that it wasn't Bin Laden at all.
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Post by swindonred (read your pm) on May 5, 2011 8:08:23 GMT 1
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Post by Amsterdammer on May 5, 2011 10:04:09 GMT 1
He would also have been of much greater benefit alive for a bit longer at least for the US Government itself! Why do this? The only thing that makes sense is that it wasn't Bin Laden at all. Biggest load of rubbish I've read in a while that.
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Post by Tux on May 5, 2011 13:49:36 GMT 1
Enjoy your 72 virgins Osama.
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Post by swindonred (read your pm) on May 5, 2011 17:33:57 GMT 1
He would also have been of much greater benefit alive for a bit longer at least for the US Government itself! Why do this? The only thing that makes sense is that it wasn't Bin Laden at all. Biggest load of rubbish I've read in a while that. im struggling to find a logical reason why they made so many mistakes with the initial story, we're not talking about small details but things like whether he was armed or not, whether Obama watched him get shot "live" these are pretty big details that have changed. Has all the hallmarks of a carefully scripted and stage managed event to produce maximum political mileage, they understand those initial stories are very important in terms of shaping peoples views on these types of stories and it doesn't matter if they change the story later on because most peoples opinions have already been formed by then.
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 5, 2011 17:42:19 GMT 1
1.4. After two decades of frying Muslims To be fair they have scrambled quite a few.
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Post by swindonred (read your pm) on May 5, 2011 19:35:34 GMT 1
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Post by El Presidente on May 5, 2011 20:08:45 GMT 1
1.4. After two decades of frying Muslims To be fair they have scrambled quite a few. And beaten...oh hang on, we're a little bit complicit in that too... Like I said earlier, there is a lot to this that doesn't add up or even sit well. I think the Archbishop of Canterbury made a lot of sense with his summing up.
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 5, 2011 20:20:50 GMT 1
The surviving wife Mrs Bin Laden has done her first TV interveiw. She said that they moved only by night and arrived at the compound 3 years ago. She went on to say "Secrecy was everything it was very importent we shouldn't be seen...but I was curious so I looked over the wall, just a quick peek you understand and saw the horrendous run down area we were now living in". "The people were animals, open sewers and graffiti". "Osama was furious when he found out , he really didn't want to live in Ditherington".....
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 20:23:54 GMT 1
Jon Taylor reckons he's alive so he must be.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on May 5, 2011 20:31:43 GMT 1
The surviving wife Mrs Bin Laden has done her first TV interveiw. She said that they moved only by night and arrived at the compound 3 years ago. She went on to say "Secrecy was everything it was very importent we shouldn't be seen...but I was curious so I looked over the wall, just a quick peek you understand and saw the horrendous run down area we were now living in". "The people were animals, open sewers and graffiti". "Osama was furious when he found out , he really didn't want to live in Ditherington"..... O dear o dear.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on May 5, 2011 20:48:06 GMT 1
A Ditherington resident responding to a quip from a Telford resident, earlier.
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Post by grinfish on May 5, 2011 22:15:20 GMT 1
Easily explained, Obama forced them to end their LANparty on Quake II to watch a preview of Duke Nukem Forever.
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Post by glasgowshrew on May 6, 2011 22:42:33 GMT 1
Jon Taylor reckons he's alive so he must be. He may change his opinion once he sees the pictures of osb which seen to be floating around the net!
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Post by eclipsechaser on May 6, 2011 23:48:40 GMT 1
Taken from Iraq-war.ru. 1. A guy who hasn't made a video or had a picture taken of him in almost 10 years suddenly shows up living in the 'burbs next to a Pakistani military base. Prior to 2002 he was making videos, giving interviews, left right and center. Now he was supposedly chillaxing next to a Pakistani base which would have been aware of his existence for years and couldn't pass a single 'Call to Jihad' or whatever in that time to his protectors? Weird things happen indeed but a person cannot change his nature just like this, especially when Al-Qaeda has done **** all this decade apart from blowing up markets in the third-world. Not a single video to rally the troops in a decade, half of which was supposedly spent in a city with easy access to communications? 2. The US go 'Hoohah!' and send in the clowns(SF). They have 'Osama' surprised and cornered and unarmed in a bedroom. THEY HAVE THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED TERRORIST; THE DEVIL HIMSELF; AT THEIR MERCY but instead of tying him up, putting a bag over his head and shipping him away to Gitmo and for a trial where they could milk the propaganda for all it's worth, they kill him. How stupid is this? OBL alive could divulge a lot of information the CIA could only dream of having! Even if he kept mum, there are huge benefits in having a 'legal' trial to show how superior the USA is, and how it respects the rights of even Belzeebub! Finally, everyone in the world would be able to take a look at this creature in a cage, take tests and see that IT REALLY IS BIN LADEN! 3. When killing 'Bin Laden' they also make sure to shoot him in the face so as to make visual identification just that extra bit harder and more ambiguous should somehow something happen between this time and getting rid of the body, like the helicopter they were meant to escape in failing to start. Not in the leg like the woman, not in the arms or the chest, but the head! Not really a good place to shoot a guy when you know that people will be asking for photographic or video proof as part of any identification of the body. 4. After two decades of blowing apart and frying Muslims; burying them alive in trenches, leaving their bodies to rot in the sun, taking away bodies for examination for days etc. the US SUDDENLY BECOMES A PIOUS MUSLIM NATION ready to administer all the trappings of a 'dignified' Muslim burial to its greatest enemy! Even here they make sure that they do not follow the burial rights correctly given the circumstances; they make sure that instead of burying him where his body could be examined in future(shrine talk is just a smokescreen), they dump him at sea. They don't do an autopsy, take longer as is possible to further corroborate their claims, but instead show their 'faith' by getting rid of the body as fast as possible. Each one of these things would cause doubt about the identity of the guy they shot. Together, and with the illogical justifications for points 2,3 and 4 it points to the conclusion that all these things were done in order to make a real independent examination of this person impossible. There was EVERY BENEFIT IN KEEPING THIS GUY ALIVE OR AT THE VERY LEAST KEEPING HIS BODY yet they chose not to. At any point, they could have stopped and allowed someone else to take samples of and examine the body whether dead or alive, INTERPOL, the UN, anybody. He would also have been of much greater benefit alive for a bit longer at least for the US Government itself! Why do this? The only thing that makes sense is that it wasn't Bin Laden at all. What a pile of crap !
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Post by eclipsechaser on May 6, 2011 23:54:28 GMT 1
To explain just one point that makes the above a stinking pile of manure .
Point 3 .
If you suspect the perpetrator is wearing a bomb vest you shoot the person in the mouth ( so the bullet severs the cerebral cortex at the base of the brain ) to stop any reflex action in the person pressing a switch to detonate the bomb . Resulting in one or many gunshots to the head .
Straight from the Isreali handbook of counteracting terrorism . The USA use the same techniques for SWAT teams .
The other points are just a pile of s**t .
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Post by grinfish on May 7, 2011 0:31:30 GMT 1
Well, considering his own people have now confirmed his death, it's all fairly academic now.
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