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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2011 15:26:18 GMT 1
Could be any from them, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal or even (if they strengthen further and Dalglish stays) Liverpool. what is it that dalglish has done at liverpool that is so impressive ? knocked out of the fa cup at first attempt dumped out of europe and if the points he has gained in his 15 games were calculated at the same ratio for 34 games liverpool would probably be 5th in the table now its almost as impressive as mancini replacing hughes Liverpool under Hodgson - Played 20, won 7, drawn 4, lost 9. Scored 24, conceded 27. Points 25. Also note Liverpool departed the Carling Cup at the first opportunity to Northampton Town, though granted he qualified from the Europa League Group with 4 draws. Liverpool under Dalglish - Played 14, won 8, drawn 3, lost 3. Scored 27, conceded 12. Points 27. Also as Pilch correctly points out they did depart the FA Cup to Manchester United in Dalglish's first game to a penalty, well at least Howard Webb thought so. As well as losing to Braga in the Europa League. Seeing as when Hodgson was under pressure everyone was so quick to defend him: "He's been left a rubbish squad, it's all Benitez's fault, bla bla bla", to have got this widely proclaimed terrible squad even performing to the level he has is some achievement, including wins over Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea as well as a draw at The Emirates. If Dalglish is given the job permanently and backed with the funds toadd a bit of quality to a paper thin squad then I see no reason why they won't be back challenging for trophies of some sort, even if it is too early to say they'll be challenging for the league.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 15:40:08 GMT 1
or they could lose a few players with no european football to go for & dalglish quits at the first sign of pressure they could fall quicker than quick quitter keegan does on a bike lets hope so
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2011 15:43:48 GMT 1
or they could lose a few players with no european football to go for & dalglish quits at the first sign of pressure they could fall quicker than quick quitter keegan does on a bike lets hope so They're not going to lose anyone good are they? The only doubt is Reina and he's coming out with positive stuff recently, all the other decent players aren't going anywhere, Gerrard, Suarez, Carroll etc. Feeling threatened by Liverpool already next season? I may as well be the first to say it, next year will be Liverpool's year
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 16:07:29 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2011 16:13:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 22:30:27 GMT 1
La Liga is another SPL - a two horse race year in year out, a bore of a league. Without referee assistance Barcelona would have been knocked out by Chelsea and of course not gone on too win the Champions League a couple of years ago. This year Arsenal beat them at home - they struggle at the Emirates a bit too, and the second leg, though Barcelona were on top, (as you'd expect at the Nou Camp) was changed by a stupid Van Persie sending off. Third place Valencia are 17 points from Madrid in second and were knocked out of europe by Schalke - a woeful semi final team who were dominated by United for 90 minutes on Tuesday. So how on earth can anyone come to the conclusion Sevilla, Atletico and so on (teams below Valencia) are better than the likes of City, Spurs etc? Barcelona and Madrid are fantastic teams that dominate their weak league, two of the best in the world of course but come the Champions League its obvious there isn't so much difference between them and top teams from other leagues across europe as some like to think.. Inter Milan last year anyone? As Man City and other rich teams strenghten and personnel comes in that is as good as any in the world, I reckon Barcelona and Madrid will suffer from a lack of challenge in the domestic leagues. At last, a post that contains some common sense. Too many fans buy into this "foreign leagues are far better than ours" crap. Barcelona are an excellent team, but if Bendtner had not been so excited in the last 5 mins, they would have been out. And where does the terms "Classico" and "Special One" come from? Self styled tags that prove the only things bigger abroad is the ego's.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 29, 2011 8:56:01 GMT 1
La Liga is another SPL - a two horse race year in year out, a bore of a league. Without referee assistance Barcelona would have been knocked out by Chelsea and of course not gone on too win the Champions League a couple of years ago. This year Arsenal beat them at home - they struggle at the Emirates a bit too, and the second leg, though Barcelona were on top, (as you'd expect at the Nou Camp) was changed by a stupid Van Persie sending off. Third place Valencia are 17 points from Madrid in second and were knocked out of europe by Schalke - a woeful semi final team who were dominated by United for 90 minutes on Tuesday. So how on earth can anyone come to the conclusion Sevilla, Atletico and so on (teams below Valencia) are better than the likes of City, Spurs etc? Barcelona and Madrid are fantastic teams that dominate their weak league, two of the best in the world of course but come the Champions League its obvious there isn't so much difference between them and top teams from other leagues across europe as some like to think.. Inter Milan last year anyone? As Man City and other rich teams strenghten and personnel comes in that is as good as any in the world, I reckon Barcelona and Madrid will suffer from a lack of challenge in the domestic leagues. At last, a post that contains some common sense. Too many fans buy into this "foreign leagues are far better than ours" cr@p. Barcelona are an excellent team, but if Bendtner had not been so excited in the last 5 mins, they would have been out. And where does the terms "Classico" and "Special One" come from? Self styled tags that prove the only things bigger abroad is the ego's. Special One was an created in England, Classico probably the same, more Sky Sports advertising crap, much the same as their "grand slam Sunday" etc. Personally I find the Spainsh football a bit boring, watching teams pass the ball around at the slowest tempo in front of the opposition defence gets drooled at but I don't see the attraction, same with Arsenal. How entertaining is keeping the ball and doing sod all with it? Sure when it clicks and a moment of supreme quality comes then it's great (and gets drooled about) but for the most part all this possession play just bores me. Give me Sam Allardyce any day
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 29, 2011 9:33:15 GMT 1
...but if Bendtner had not been so excited in the last 5 mins, they would have been out. Never really understood comments like that. He missed because he wasn't good enough to take the chance. And to post that when looking to discuss the merits of each league...
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2011 11:42:10 GMT 1
At last, a post that contains some common sense. Too many fans buy into this "foreign leagues are far better than ours" cr@p. Barcelona are an excellent team, but if Bendtner had not been so excited in the last 5 mins, they would have been out. And where does the terms "Classico" and "Special One" come from? Self styled tags that prove the only things bigger abroad is the ego's. Special One was an created in England, Classico probably the same, more Sky Sports advertising cr@p, much the same as their "grand slam Sunday" etc. Personally I find the Spainsh football a bit boring, watching teams pass the ball around at the slowest tempo in front of the opposition defence gets drooled at but I don't see the attraction, same with Arsenal. How entertaining is keeping the ball and doing sod all with it? Sure when it clicks and a moment of supreme quality comes then it's great (and gets drooled about) but for the most part all this possession play just bores me. Give me Sam Allardyce any day strange how sir alex ferguson is mostly called fergie but other managers who only have an MBE are referred to as king
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 12:06:25 GMT 1
...but if Bendtner had not been so excited in the last 5 mins, they would have been out. Never really understood comments like that. He missed because he wasn't good enough to take the chance. And to post that when looking to discuss the merits of each league... The point being that if the chance had been taken, Barcelona would be out. Are you saying that his miss emphasises the difference between our Premier League and other countries leagues? If so i presume you have never seen Messi, Ronaldo, Silva et al miss. Barcelona are good, very good, but not unbeatable. Lets not come over all starry eyed and lost in admiration at Leagues that, in my opinion, do not provide the passion and endeavour our own Premier League provides, week in week out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 12:31:29 GMT 1
At last, a post that contains some common sense. Too many fans buy into this "foreign leagues are far better than ours" cr@p. Barcelona are an excellent team, but if Bendtner had not been so excited in the last 5 mins, they would have been out. And where does the terms "Classico" and "Special One" come from? Self styled tags that prove the only things bigger abroad is the ego's. Special One was an created in England, Classico probably the same, more Sky Sports advertising cr@p, much the same as their "grand slam Sunday" etc. Personally I find the Spainsh football a bit boring, watching teams pass the ball around at the slowest tempo in front of the opposition defence gets drooled at but I don't see the attraction, same with Arsenal. How entertaining is keeping the ball and doing sod all with it? Sure when it clicks and a moment of supreme quality comes then it's great (and gets drooled about) but for the most part all this possession play just bores me. Give me Sam Allardyce any day Mourinho said of himself, " i am a European Champion and think i may be a Special One" The British press, from then on, referred to him as a "Special One" but the term was self styled. Egotistical or what? The term El Classico is a Spanish term used by by the Spanish to describe the games between Barca and Real Madrid. Maybe we should refer to GT as the Special One, and matches between ourselves and a local rival as a Classico. Why not?
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Post by Hippo on Apr 29, 2011 13:21:42 GMT 1
Mourinho said that, Brian Clough said similar stuff. They could both back it up.
I prefer the English League, my only real point was that the Spanish League isn't like the SPL. Because it isn't. It has also been, for a few years now, attracting the very best players in the world, and our teams are either losing them directly, or failing to attract them in the first place. Which is a bit of comedown from how dominant our teams were a couple of years ago.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 29, 2011 13:24:51 GMT 1
Are you saying that his miss emphasises the difference between our Premier League and other countries leagues? Errrrm no, you are...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 15:36:07 GMT 1
Are you saying that his miss emphasises the difference between our Premier League and other countries leagues? Errrrm no, you are... How you work that out i will never know. Never mind, lets agree to discuss the points raised, and then agree that you are wrong! Cloughesque or what. Up the Bundesliga.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 29, 2011 19:49:36 GMT 1
Isn't a common language a great help to Spanish clubs in attracting players from South America?
I don't know how similar Portugese is to Spanish, but Ronaldo was keen to return nearer to home and plenty of Brazilians play there also.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 3, 2011 15:03:05 GMT 1
Ding ding! Round two... Well all we've had over the last week is tit-for-tat accusations, counter accusations, both clubs charged by UEFA, other charges leveled against each dropped and now for good measure we have a row about racism. I guess it was never going to be dull. As for the game, it can't be as bad as it was last week can it? Not now Real can't simply sit back and defend throughout. They have to go for it, toe to toe and hopefully they know they mustn't get involved in all that silly stuff we saw last week. They simply can't afford to get involved in such things otherwise the game will be gone from them before they know it... Hopeful for a better game this evening...
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 11:32:23 GMT 1
so barca are confirmed they are the biggest cheats in europe and some of you will possibly be following them big time in a few weeks now that is funny
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 4, 2011 11:40:19 GMT 1
No will be supporting the angles from old traffod...
Now whos Rooney going to violenty smash with his forarm in the final??? And Im sure we wont see any diving nonsence from Nani... oh and I cant recall any chaseing and surrounding the ref nonsence from Man U over the years none at all!!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 4, 2011 11:54:40 GMT 1
Again another post about Manchester. I did ask for them to be left alone on this thread but some folk can't help themselves. some on here are obsessed... I watch Barca a lot, they are pretty much on the box most weekends. That isn’t the norm. I’d say the occasion and moreso the opposition had a lot to do with it. I’m not saying they didn’t play up, didn’t con the ref at times, that was clear as owt. But they were not alone in that, Real played their part too. To label Barca the biggest cheats in Europe after 180 minutes of football is just daft...
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Post by Amsterdammer on May 4, 2011 12:20:25 GMT 1
L:ooking forward to seeing what UEFA does about some aspects of those games. It seems that monkey chants (last time Real fans on Alves, this time Barca on Adebayor) are not as bad as sectarian chants if you read between the lines of action/inaction.
It will be interesting to see how the other finalist plays Barca - attack and risk getting destroyed, or defend and risk accusations of being negative.
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 12:30:05 GMT 1
Again another post about Manchester. I did ask for them to be left alone on this thread but some folk can't help themselves. some on here are obsessed... I watch Barca a lot, they are pretty much on the box most weekends. That isn’t the norm. I’d say the occasion and moreso the opposition had a lot to do with it. I’m not saying they didn’t play up, didn’t con the ref at times, that was clear as owt. But they were not alone in that, Real played their part too. To label Barca the biggest cheats in Europe after 180 minutes of football is just daft... you sound like basil fawlty, don't mention the man u , i mention them once but i think i got away with it so they don't normally cheat they are not normally racists mascherano is a nice lad normally good enough reason for you to cheer them on then well done good luck ps did you forget the previous 90 mins too the one where messi deliberately tripped himself up and got van persie sent off, a moment that changed the tie
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 4, 2011 14:22:22 GMT 1
Again another post about Manchester. I did ask for them to be left alone on this thread but some folk can't help themselves. some on here are obsessed... I watch Barca a lot, they are pretty much on the box most weekends. That isn’t the norm. I’d say the occasion and moreso the opposition had a lot to do with it. I’m not saying they didn’t play up, didn’t con the ref at times, that was clear as owt. But they were not alone in that, Real played their part too. To label Barca the biggest cheats in Europe after 180 minutes of football is just daft... you sound like basil fawlty, don't mention the man u , i mention them once but i think i got away with it so they don't normally cheat they are not normally racists mascherano is a nice lad normally good enough reason for you to cheer them on then well done good luck ps did you forget the previous 90 mins too the one where messi deliberately tripped himself up and got van persie sent off, a moment that changed the tie Haven't a clue, I didn't see the Barca v Arse game... Good enough reason for you to cheer them on then? Oh aye, defo. Cheers for the best wishes... By the by, I am not saying Barca did not cheat. That goal they scored should have stood for Real. But all teams cheat. Real did over the two legs too. Sure even Manchester have conned the ref plenty of times. I just can't see Manchester taking the moral high ground here, that's just not going to happen with what they have got upto in the past.
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Post by abcdef on May 4, 2011 15:11:38 GMT 1
who really cares about the premier league its full of foreign crap anyway
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Post by abcdef on May 4, 2011 15:12:34 GMT 1
Also Barca and Real are massivly overrated
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 4, 2011 16:49:02 GMT 1
Love Ronaldo's quote about Mascherano not diving in England, he forgot to add "unlike me". Almost as funny as Sir Alexander Chapman Ferguson CBE moaning about refs giving United nothing in big games
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Post by Tux on May 4, 2011 19:55:38 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 5, 2011 0:29:32 GMT 1
never saw uniteds game but i presume as their is no thread into its sixth page united coasted through ?
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Post by Tux on May 5, 2011 0:53:04 GMT 1
never saw uniteds game but i presume as their is no thread into its sixth page united coasted through ? Because Shalke have been complete and utter s**te over the 2 legs. United also played well but considering how bad Shalke were it's hardly threadworthy. Madrid vs Barcelona however is the biggest game on earth as far as football is concerned. Man utd vs Shalke however is not, the gap in quality is just gigantic, plus there currently 10th in the german league. It'd be like making a thread every time the likes of United, Arsenal or Chelsea clobber a bottom half side in the prem.
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Post by Pilch on May 5, 2011 14:40:14 GMT 1
never saw uniteds game but i presume as their is no thread into its sixth page united coasted through ? Because Shalke have been complete and utter s**te over the 2 legs. United also played well but considering how bad Shalke were it's hardly threadworthy. Madrid vs Barcelona however is the biggest game on earth as far as football is concerned. Man utd vs Shalke however is not, the gap in quality is just gigantic, plus there currently 10th in the german league. It'd be like making a thread every time the likes of United, Arsenal or Chelsea clobber a bottom half side in the prem. except it was the champions league semi final playing a german team that recently won the eufa cup have been runners up in germany for the majority of the past decade have won every champs league game at home this season and have beaten some of the best in europe along the way and you compare them with west brom
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 5, 2011 14:49:39 GMT 1
Because Shalke have been complete and utter s**te over the 2 legs. United also played well but considering how bad Shalke were it's hardly threadworthy. Madrid vs Barcelona however is the biggest game on earth as far as football is concerned. Man utd vs Shalke however is not, the gap in quality is just gigantic, plus there currently 10th in the german league. It'd be like making a thread every time the likes of United, Arsenal or Chelsea clobber a bottom half side in the prem. except it was the champions league semi final playing a german team that recently won the eufa cup have been runners up in germany for the majority of the past decade have won every champs league game at home this season and have beaten some of the best in europe along the way and you compare them with west brom Probably because the tie was won last week, Fergie played his reserves, there was no particular excitement or anticipation before the game, and as the game went as most expected there isn't really anything to debate. Oh, and I don't want Crippen on my case again
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