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Post by Ned on Apr 27, 2011 22:15:12 GMT 1
This proves to me that the Premier League is still the best top league in the World.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Apr 27, 2011 22:15:43 GMT 1
Messis' close ball control whilst running at pace through/around the defenders and then finishing with such skill is just mesmorising, awesome!
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Post by Tux on Apr 27, 2011 22:29:10 GMT 1
You have Kaka, Benzema and Higuain all on the bench? Why the **** you do you bring on Ade? Anyway Barce were the better side tonight, the sending off was harsh but whatever. Messi's 2nd goal was just orgasmic. Not over yet though. This proves to me that the Premier League is still the best top league in the World. Don't make me laugh.
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Post by Ned on Apr 27, 2011 22:43:57 GMT 1
You have Kaka, Benzema and Higuain all on the bench? Why the **** you do you bring on Ade? Anyway Barce were the better side tonight, the sending off was harsh but whatever. Messi'd 2nd goal was just orgasmic. Not over yet though. This proves to me that the Premier League is still the best top league in the World. Don't make me laugh. Would you have seen those scenes at half time in the Premier League? Would you have seen players hounding referee's that bad in the Premier League? No to both. Not only that, in La Liga there is realistically only one team good enough to win the league.. and we saw they were much the better team tonight. In the Premier League, any one of three or four are good enough. Next season, there could even be five - with Liverpool looking really strong.
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Post by Tux on Apr 27, 2011 22:57:25 GMT 1
You have Kaka, Benzema and Higuain all on the bench? Why the **** you do you bring on Ade? Anyway Barce were the better side tonight, the sending off was harsh but whatever. Messi'd 2nd goal was just orgasmic. Not over yet though. Don't make me laugh. Would you have seen those scenes at half time in the Premier League? Would you have seen players hounding referee's that bad in the Premier League? No to both. Not only that, in La Liga there is realistically only one team good enough to win the league.. and we saw they were much the better team tonight. In the Premier League, any one of three or four are good enough. Next season, there could even be five - with Liverpool looking really strong. Erm most of what you listed happens frequently in the premier league..... Aside from the half time scenes but that rarely happens in the liga to, it comes about just as frequently as it does in the prem which is rarely. Also for the most part the teams in the liga are considerably stronger then those in the prem, it just happens that the top 2 are ridiculously strong. The likes of Aletico, Sevilla, Valencia, Villareal ect are easily better then the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Everton ect. Honestly now Aletico who are 7th in there league is easily stronger then Spurs and Liverpool. Liga also has the best players.
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Post by blood red shrews on Apr 27, 2011 23:10:58 GMT 1
Would you have seen those scenes at half time in the Premier League? Would you have seen players hounding referee's that bad in the Premier League? No to both. Not only that, in La Liga there is realistically only one team good enough to win the league.. and we saw they were much the better team tonight. In the Premier League, any one of three or four are good enough. Next season, there could even be five - with Liverpool looking really strong. Erm most of what you listed happens frequently in the premier league..... Aside from the half time scenes but that rarely happens in the liga to, it comes about just as frequently as it does in the prem which is rarely. Also for the most part the teams in the liga are considerably stronger then those in the prem, it just happens that the top 2 are ridiculously strong. The likes of Aletico, Sevilla, Valencia, Villareal ect are easily better then the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Everton ect. Honestly now Aletico who are 7th in there league is easily stronger then Spurs and Liverpool. Liga also has the best players. Agree with Tux completely on this, La Liga is way ahead at the moment despite what the Sky premier league hype machine says. Barca and Real would be light years ahead of any of the teams in the prem the league has been in decline for a few years only Man City and Spurs have really improved squad wise in the last 2 years Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool have all been in decline be it through selling on the best players, ageing and not being able to attract the calibre of players La Liga does. As for tonights game no worse than you see over here in some games a typical rivals game and in fairness the 5-0 thumping Barca gave them earlier in the season has dictated how Real have approached the last 3 games against them having to play spoiling tactics. If they try to play them at there own game and let Barca play they'll be taken apart. Normally they're cracking games. I love league 2 football and if we go up would love league one football but would always choose to watch a La Liga game over The Premiership at the minute.
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Post by Tux on Apr 27, 2011 23:31:51 GMT 1
Erm most of what you listed happens frequently in the premier league..... Aside from the half time scenes but that rarely happens in the liga to, it comes about just as frequently as it does in the prem which is rarely. Also for the most part the teams in the liga are considerably stronger then those in the prem, it just happens that the top 2 are ridiculously strong. The likes of Aletico, Sevilla, Valencia, Villareal ect are easily better then the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Everton ect. Honestly now Aletico who are 7th in there league is easily stronger then Spurs and Liverpool. Liga also has the best players. Agree with Tux completely on this, La Liga is way ahead at the moment despite what the Sky premier league hype machine says. Barca and Real would be light years ahead of any of the teams in the prem the league has been in decline for a few years only Man City and Spurs have really improved squad wise in the last 2 years Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool have all been in decline be it through selling on the best players, ageing and not being able to attract the calibre of players La Liga does. As for tonights game no worse than you see over here in some games a typical rivals game and in fairness the 5-0 thumping Barca gave them earlier in the season has dictated how Real have approached the last 3 games against them having to play spoiling tactics. If they try to play them at there own game and let Barca play they'll be taken apart. Normally they're cracking games. I love league 2 football and if we go up would love league one football but would always choose to watch a La Liga game over The Premiership at the minute. Thanks. Glad to finally see someone else who is not completely deluded by the likes of the Sky sports's propaganda and someone who actually pays attention to what they see with there own eyes. The worst part is that most of the people who constantly bash the liga never even put the effort in to actually watching it. Instead they just assume its inferior because the British media says so.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Apr 27, 2011 23:47:09 GMT 1
Dani Alves was the biggest cheat out there, every time somebody touched him he'd throw himself to the ground and hold his face. Was never a red for Pepe.
Messi's second is one of the best goals I've seen this season, sublime. Quite funny seeing Mourinho being sent off to some cage thing a few yards away with loads of security :laugh:
Barcelona v Man United final it is then.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 1:01:03 GMT 1
as predicted by all except feedo barca too good for anyone far too many pansys on the pitch though
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Post by Tux on Apr 28, 2011 3:02:21 GMT 1
Dani Alves was the biggest cheat out there, every time somebody touched him he'd throw himself to the ground and hold his face. Busquets did his fair share:
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Post by jamo on Apr 28, 2011 8:05:16 GMT 1
The Special One may be in some sort of serious trouble for his post match comments.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2011 8:10:27 GMT 1
as predicted [glow=red,2,300]by all except feedo[/glow]barca too good for anyone far too many pansys on the pitch though I take it you didn't read my post from before the game then? Real have some ridiculously talented players coupled with a ridiculously talented manager. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they win this tie, Mourinho's managed to get under the skin of Guardiola over the last 2 meetings between the sides. Because of Mourinho, it won't be a classic. He'll keep it cagey tonight, maybe even a nil-nil, and go for a win on away goals at the Nou Camp. UEFA's rankings tend to only take into account recent European performances. This is the first season in 6 (I think) that Real have got past the last 16 stage, it's not surprising they're ranked low. Sure their was a little more aggro than I would have thought, but the game itself went exactly as I thought it would. So don't make stuff up.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 28, 2011 8:41:45 GMT 1
The thing is though, that type of thing is very much frowned upon in England (for the most part) but I’m pretty sure that the chap who wrote that book ‘Morbo’ (about Spanish football) mentions that this type of behavior is positively encouraged by everyone within the game including supporters. If you can gain any advantage through ‘cheating’ and you can get away with it you’d be daft not too. So if what he wrote is true it’s a completely different outlook over there with regards to this type of thing. And that’s certainly one thing I do hear a lot when I talk about football here. Plenty of people from around the world always talk about the ‘honesty’ of the English game and it has plenty of fans around the world because of it. Whether that makes it the best league in the world though I’m unsure… Plus Ned, last night’s antics isn’t something you see every week in Spanish football. I watch a fair bit on the weekends and that behavior last night is very much the exception. Plus you have to consider that there is absolutely nothing comparable to that fixture in England. Not by a country mile. It’s an incredibly important fixture for the two clubs involved even without the prize on offer last night, add that into the mix and…there just isn’t any like that in England, that’s why you’ll not see anything like that in English football.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 28, 2011 8:44:43 GMT 1
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Post by blue and ambar on Apr 28, 2011 9:25:30 GMT 1
Don't know which league is best but there is a lot of bias towards the Premiership. In fact when a Premiership side plays in Europe the commentator sounds like they support the English side and often (whether its Europa or Champions League) only the English club manager gets interviewed.
Of course Spanish football doesnt get as much coverage so its difficult to judge. Its usually a mixture of teams in the Prem whereas the majority of La Liga involves Real Madrid or Barcelona with maybe odd fixtures that don't. Also none at all from the divisions below.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 10:41:10 GMT 1
as predicted [glow=red,2,300]by all except feedo[/glow]barca too good for anyone far too many pansys on the pitch though I take it you didn't read my post from before the game then? Real have some ridiculously talented players coupled with a ridiculously talented manager. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they win this tie, Mourinho's managed to get under the skin of Guardiola over the last 2 meetings between the sides. Because of Mourinho, it won't be a classic. He'll keep it cagey tonight, maybe even a nil-nil, and go for a win on away goals at the Nou Camp. UEFA's rankings tend to only take into account recent European performances. This is the first season in 6 (I think) that Real have got past the last 16 stage, it's not surprising they're ranked low. Sure their was a little more aggro than I would have thought, but the game itself went exactly as I thought it would. So don't make stuff up. have i missed something ? i did read your post, basically you predicted either a win for real or a draw you should have gone for a barca win too
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2011 10:44:01 GMT 1
I take it you didn't read my post from before the game then? Sure their was a little more aggro than I would have thought, but the game itself went exactly as I thought it would. So don't make stuff up. have i missed something ? i did read your post, basically you predicted either a win for real or a draw you should have gone for a barca win too More selective eyesight from Pilch. I said Mourinho would set the team up to play for a 0-0, now playing 0 strikers at home suggests to me this was his exact approach. As it happens the red card changed the game and has probably cost Real any chance they had. Up until that moment, it was going exactly as Mourinho would have wanted, boring, chanceless and no away goals.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 11:08:20 GMT 1
i fully predict a 0-0 with no-one up front and won't be surprised if they win i reckon towns game will be 0-0 at some point on saturday but i can't see us scoring in a bothel so i'll go for a town win
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Post by shrewswolf on Apr 28, 2011 11:08:57 GMT 1
La Liga is another SPL - a two horse race year in year out, a bore of a league.
Without referee assistance Barcelona would have been knocked out by Chelsea and of course not gone on too win the Champions League a couple of years ago. This year Arsenal beat them at home - they struggle at the Emirates a bit too, and the second leg, though Barcelona were on top, (as you'd expect at the Nou Camp) was changed by a stupid Van Persie sending off.
Third place Valencia are 17 points from Madrid in second and were knocked out of europe by Schalke - a woeful semi final team who were dominated by United for 90 minutes on Tuesday. So how on earth can anyone come to the conclusion Sevilla, Atletico and so on (teams below Valencia) are better than the likes of City, Spurs etc?
Barcelona and Madrid are fantastic teams that dominate their weak league, two of the best in the world of course but come the Champions League its obvious there isn't so much difference between them and top teams from other leagues across europe as some like to think.. Inter Milan last year anyone? As Man City and other rich teams strenghten and personnel comes in that is as good as any in the world, I reckon Barcelona and Madrid will suffer from a lack of challenge in the domestic leagues.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2011 11:37:03 GMT 1
i fully predict a 0-0 with no-one up front and won't be surprised if they win i reckon towns game will be 0-0 at some point on saturday but i can't see us scoring in a bothel so i'll go for a town win Are you thick? I predicted Mourinho would set the team up for a 0-0, and I said I wouldn't be surprised if Real Madrid won the tie. A tie - 2 legs, yes? Home leg, away leg? Anyone with any sort of tactical brain could have seen it was Mourinho's intention to draw this one 0-0, and scrape through on away goals at the Nou Camp Now give it up and stop looking for problems that aren't there.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 11:57:52 GMT 1
as they say on banzai
you so wong
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Post by Hippo on Apr 28, 2011 12:23:33 GMT 1
La Liga is another SPL - a two horse race year in year out, a bore of a league. Whereas, in England, no teams dominate at all..
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 12:49:56 GMT 1
La Liga is another SPL - a two horse race year in year out, a bore of a league. . in the last 18 seasons, exactly half of them finished without either real or barca in the top 3
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Post by shrewswolf on Apr 28, 2011 13:00:14 GMT 1
La Liga is another SPL - a two horse race year in year out, a bore of a league. Whereas, in England, no teams dominate at all.. Not to the same extent, a 6 point gap between 1st and 2nd with 3rd place only a further 3 points behind, with both too play the leaders.. 18 points seperate top from 5th, 17 points between second and third in La Liga. Of course in the top divisions with all the money available there is going to be 4/5/6 teams that pull away from the rest. But in Spain its just the two top teams and will be next year, the year after and the year after that.. While Man United lead this year, its not a huge margin and one that can be taken away considering the run in - and even if its not, nobody can say they'll definitely walk it next year or who will even finish top two. Could be any from them, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal or even (if they strengthen further and Dalglish stays) Liverpool.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2011 13:10:44 GMT 1
Whereas, in England, no teams dominate at all.. Could be any from them, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal or even (if they strengthen further and Dalglish stays) Liverpool. what is it that dalglish has done at liverpool that is so impressive ? knocked out of the fa cup at first attempt dumped out of europe and if the points he has gained in his 15 games were calculated at the same ratio for 34 games liverpool would probably be 5th in the table now its almost as impressive as mancini replacing hughes
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Post by Hippo on Apr 28, 2011 13:11:52 GMT 1
Whereas, in England, no teams dominate at all.. Not to the same extent, a 6 point gap between 1st and 2nd with 3rd place only a further 3 points behind, with both too play the leaders.. 18 points seperate top from 5th, 17 points between second and third in La Liga. Of course in the top divisions with all the money available there is going to be 4/5/6 teams that pull away from the rest. But in Spain its just the two top teams and will be next year, the year after and the year after that.. While Man United lead this year, its not a huge margin and one that can be taken away considering the run in - and even if its not, nobody can say they'll definitely walk it next year or who will even finish top two. Could be any from them, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal or even (if they strengthen further and Dalglish stays) Liverpool. Yeah, but "year after year". They're the top 2 at the moment, and have been the last 2 or 3 seasons, but more teams have been Spanish champions than English champions this millennium, more teams have finished second, and Man United & Chelsea have won more combined titles than Barca & Real in that time. And alot of those Man Utd and Chelsea titles were by vast margins.
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Post by shrewswolf on Apr 28, 2011 13:37:37 GMT 1
Ok then, recent 'year after year' I just think that the two horse race they currently find themselves in and have for a couple of years means that they aren't as superior when they face top quality opposition in europe, as their league form and sometimes the media suggests they will be. And IMO, La Liga is therefore not as good as the premier league for overall quality of games/play/title challenges. But as everything is, its all opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 13:40:38 GMT 1
Messi'd 2nd goal was just orgasmic. Cringeworthy remark. Are you a middle-aged woman? Stick to your xbox. I've had to skimread this thread due to the unwelcome presence of the boring Feedo Gnasher. Interestingly enough I seem to have acquired a physical aversion to his postings as they are so monotonous. A blessing in disguise. I watched the match and found the majority very dull. A classic Spanish match complete with a slow tempo and hours of possession. I don't care about the quality of players in La Liga or the historic excellence of their leading clubs. As a spectacle, the division is as dull as dishwater and certainly nothing on the excitement of the Premier League. The 'La Liga is better lol' attitude has become a niche argument used by camp football fans (like Tux) to imply that they have a wider football knowledge. Personally, I'd ignore it from now on.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 28, 2011 13:48:15 GMT 1
Not to the same extent, a 6 point gap between 1st and 2nd with 3rd place only a further 3 points behind, with both too play the leaders.. 18 points seperate top from 5th, 17 points between second and third in La Liga. Of course in the top divisions with all the money available there is going to be 4/5/6 teams that pull away from the rest. But in Spain its just the two top teams and will be next year, the year after and the year after that.. While Man United lead this year, its not a huge margin and one that can be taken away considering the run in - and even if its not, nobody can say they'll definitely walk it next year or who will even finish top two. Could be any from them, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal or even (if they strengthen further and Dalglish stays) Liverpool. Yeah, but "year after year". They're the top 2 at the moment, and have been the last 2 or 3 seasons, but more teams have been Spanish champions than English champions this millennium, more teams have finished second, and Man United & Chelsea have won more combined titles than Barca & Real in that time. And alot of those Man Utd and Chelsea titles were by vast margins. It is likely to carry on being these two for the title year on year - apart from the fact that they've dominated the top league for god knows how long - but with their fan base, the constant champions league income and then the fact that the tv deal in spain changed a couple of years ago which has meant that rather than everyone getting the same amount of money, those two get far more of a share than anyone else. The only way it would change is if either got into severe financial difficulties (not likely to happen as who would want to be the business that would close one of those??) or if they were chucked out of europe for a while.
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Post by blue and ambar on Apr 28, 2011 15:14:31 GMT 1
Could be any from them, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal or even (if they strengthen further and Dalglish stays) Liverpool. what is it that dalglish has done at liverpool that is so impressive ? knocked out of the fa cup at first attempt dumped out of europe and if the points he has gained in his 15 games were calculated at the same ratio for 34 games liverpool would probably be 5th in the table now its almost as impressive as mancini replacing hughes Its actually been 14 games in the Premiership and they would be 3rd over 34 games. Don't think thats too bad considering where they had been under Hodgson.
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