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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 25, 2011 20:56:09 GMT 1
As the club is owned by its shareholders any money donated by fans just goes to improving the asset value of the club.
Until the fans money goes into buying shares in the club, thus helping to ensure that it does not fall into the hands of carpet baggers, I would not donate a penny.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Mar 25, 2011 21:23:18 GMT 1
I would have thought the Superblues have some input into how their money is used and rightly so.
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Post by nickjonesey on Mar 25, 2011 21:44:08 GMT 1
I personally used to feel more motivated to support the Superblues (and therefore the club) when we were at GM and there were very few other income streams. Since the move and the 24/7 business opportunities that the new facilities provide I am far less inclined to just hand over my personal or corporate cash. Absolutely nothing against anyone involved at the club or Superblues- the latter do a hell of a lot of work on a voluntary basis. Just the way I feel As most people and business owners I now feel the need to weigh up the benefit of any potential expenditure. Even if I could afford to I wouldn't want to be seen to be throwing money around.
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Post by jamo on Mar 25, 2011 21:49:40 GMT 1
Superblues= the enemy within.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 22:07:07 GMT 1
I was in attendance. We were asked not to put the information on websites. What absolute bulls**t.
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Post by jaytee on Mar 25, 2011 22:14:06 GMT 1
I was in attendance. We were asked not to put the information on websites. What absolute bulls**t. I said I wouldn't comment again, but you've called me a liar. I'm not.
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Post by jaytee on Mar 25, 2011 22:16:33 GMT 1
Superblues= the enemy within. Really? I'm obviously on the wrong website. Bye bye.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 22:17:14 GMT 1
No JT - you misunderstand me.
It's a classic club tactic. Get a set of people in the room. Give them some info but ask them not to share it. Encourages people not to question anything. Experienced it several times and had invites for cups of tea and 'a drink' when daring to post after the meeting.
It's the club's approach that's bulls**t, not your description of events :-)
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Post by jaytee on Mar 25, 2011 22:30:34 GMT 1
No JT - you misunderstand me. It's a classic club tactic. Get a set of people in the room. Give them some info but ask them not to share it. Encourages people not to question anything. Experienced it several times and had invites for cups of tea and 'a drink' when daring to post after the meeting. It's the club's approach that's bulls**t, not your description of events :-) I'm not a "yes" man. I've criticised The history, the lion, etc. But what this thread has proved, is that if you don't know, let's make it up as we go along. There have been some untruths on here. Perhaps it was hoping I'd bite and reveal details, which I'm not prepared to do. Let's be open here though. The club and b&a are not exactly singing from the same hymn sheet. Right, now I am out of here.
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Post by jamo on Mar 25, 2011 22:41:58 GMT 1
I'm not a "yes" man. I've criticised The history, the lion, etc. But what this thread has proved, is that if you don't know, let's make it up as we go along. There have been some untruths on here. Perhaps it was hoping I'd bite and reveal details, which I'm not prepared to do. Let's be open here though. The club and b&a are not exactly singing from the same hymn sheet. Right, now I am out of here. don't believe this to be the real Caassttlleee mon at all.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 25, 2011 22:57:05 GMT 1
Details not to be put on websites? Extraordinary and an extremely sad state of affairs. Good point by TST. Fans as means of consumption perhaps?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 25, 2011 23:07:42 GMT 1
Customers of Tesco do not hand over an extra £10,000 to get extra trolleys in order that they can shop.
These things work both ways. Or at least they should.
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Post by nickjonesey on Mar 25, 2011 23:16:27 GMT 1
Superblues= the enemy within. I'm not sure I agree with that Alan. They've raised a shed load of money over the years and it is a small group of positive people who do everything. There could be more cohesion with the away travel thing but I can't see that happening anytime soon, as both parties need to concede ground for progress. Have I missed something?
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Post by scooter on Mar 26, 2011 1:19:03 GMT 1
Superblues= the enemy within. I'm not sure I agree with that Alan. They've raised a shed load of money over the years and it is a small group of positive people who do everything. There could be more cohesion with the away travel thing but I can't see that happening anytime soon, as both parties need to concede ground for progress. Have I missed something? If you have missed something then I have as well - Alan has lost me with that
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 26, 2011 8:03:24 GMT 1
Has to be a wind up? Why would the club ask supporters not to pass on any information received at the meeting? If the information given is of some interest and importance to those who attended then its of interest and importance to us all, to all supporters? Just doesn't add up...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 9:22:18 GMT 1
Customers of Tesco do not hand over an extra £10,000 to get extra trolleys in order that they can shop. These things work both ways. Or at least they should. Absolutely TBH. Plenty of good posts on here although Jamo's is a little harsh.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Mar 26, 2011 9:32:07 GMT 1
Has to be a wind up? Why would the club ask supporters not to pass on any information received at the meeting? If the information given is of some interest and importance to those who attended then its of interest and importance to us all, to all supporters? Just doesn't add up... don't think it is a wind up..however why bother telling one group information and then not being able to discuss same with another group..(so agree with stuttgarter shrew!)
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Post by WindsorShrew on Mar 26, 2011 9:45:14 GMT 1
Superblues= the enemy within. Oh the irony....
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Mar 26, 2011 9:50:07 GMT 1
Customers of Tesco do not hand over an extra £10,000 to get extra trolleys in order that they can shop. They do but without realising they do...................
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Post by Salop_Ian on Mar 26, 2011 10:35:33 GMT 1
Customers of Tescos don't usually have such a passionate affinity with the organisation that they request that their ashes are scattered down the aisle in front of the meat counter. Tescos operate in a market place where disatisfied customers can opt to shop at Asda, Morrisons, Sainsburys, etc... Tescos is geared to make as big a profit as possible for its shareholders. A football club is (in theory ) geared to provide as high a level of entertainment for its supporters as is sustainable. If when shopping at Tescos you find that they are not going a 2 for 1 offer on your favourite beer it usually doesn't spoil your weekend. You don't usually find that cutomers identify with Tescos to the extent that they wear its corporate clothing when they are on holiday. Customers don't usually travel hundreds of miles solely to shop at the Torquay branch of Tescos.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 26, 2011 11:17:10 GMT 1
Customers of Tescos don't usually have such a passionate affinity with the organisation that they request that their ashes are scattered down the aisle in front of the meat counter. Tescos operate in a market place where disatisfied customers can opt to shop at Asda, Morrisons, Sainsburys, etc... Tescos is geared to make as big a profit as possible for its shareholders. A football club is (in theory ) geared to provide as high a level of entertainment for its supporters as is sustainable. If when shopping at Tescos you find that they are not going a 2 for 1 offer on your favourite beer it usually doesn't spoil your weekend. You don't usually find that cutomers identify with Tescos to the extent that they wear its corporate clothing when they are on holiday. Customers don't usually travel hundreds of miles solely to shop at the Torquay branch of Tescos. Almost all of those relate to the customer's loyalty, not the organisation's action. Someone's loyalty to you should never be an excuse not to act in their best interest, Otherwise you are taking advantage. Tesco realises its customers are its income and its future so they provide trolleys. That is why they have a successful business.
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Post by shrewblue on Mar 26, 2011 11:26:21 GMT 1
Having spoken to someone who went to the Superblues evening with GT, the word was by all means share any comments from the evening with your friends in confidence but do not publish them on websites/blogs...in reality the attendee I refer too says there was nothing of great confidentiality said and just discussion of various players and of last saturday's officials, hopes for the future etc
It would appear that this evening was for Superblues members only as a benefit of their membership, just to give them an opportunity to speak and listen to GT and apparently nothing would stop you from being a Superblues member if you chose to subscribe and attend events like this in the future it is not a closed shop indeed I would suspect new members would be welcome.
From what I have gleaned nothing sinister is going on here.
In fact from what I have seen of announcements, Superblues do a fantastic job in raising monies and supporting the club
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Post by Salop_Ian on Mar 26, 2011 21:37:00 GMT 1
Tesco realises its customers are its income and its future so they provide trolleys. That is why they have a successful business. Supermarkets provide their customers with trolleys because it encourages them to buy more goods. If they didn't provide trolleys and customers went round with hand baskets then they wouldn't buy so much because it would be more of a hassle to transport stuff to the car. That is why they are successful businesses.
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Post by jamo on Mar 27, 2011 0:27:04 GMT 1
Plenty of good posts on here although Jamo's is a little harsh. Upon reflection I would agree. Unnecessarily harsh and actually misleading as to the point I intended to make. I don't like The Super Blues and have not done so for a longtime. Not because they do not care about the club or that they do not raise significant monies by their endeavours, it's what they do with those monies that grates with me. I do not think any supporters group should just handover large sums of money and say to the club` there you go, spend it how you like` It all appears to cosy and, in my opinion, manipulated by the club. I like to see monies raised by supporters being spent directly to benefit those supporters and to enhance their match day experience. I don't see that with The Super Blues. Apologies to those that my post offended.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Mar 28, 2011 13:11:20 GMT 1
I assume then that as a Superblues member for many years but who couldn't get to the meeting I will be sent a report of what was discussed ?
Or do we have a two - tier membership ?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 28, 2011 13:15:40 GMT 1
You might, but make sure you dont tell the rest of us
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Post by DiglisShrew on Mar 28, 2011 13:17:31 GMT 1
I'm sure it will contain "instructions for safe disposal " !!
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Post by Pilch on Mar 28, 2011 13:21:04 GMT 1
Superblues only contact me three times a year Once with my new membership card And twice with Xmas raffle tickets !
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 28, 2011 13:39:25 GMT 1
Having spoken to someone who went to the Superblues evening with GT, the word was by all means share any comments from the evening with your friends in confidence but do not publish them on websites/blogs... Can anyone give me any idea why that would be the case? Why would the club do that? If the information given at the meeting was deemed ok to share with certain supporters and something those supporters would deem good to know then it works for us all. There must be a million and one ways of giving something to the Super Blues members as a means of saying thank you for their efforts and support throughout the year. Plenty of ways without appearing to alienate other supporters. Now I doubt anything that was shared was groundbreaking, was something that needed to be kept in close circles. So with that in mind, why have they asked those present not to post it and to only confide in others? I can only think this is in someway a slight to the message boards and the supporters who use them. Very strange way of going about things...
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 28, 2011 14:09:57 GMT 1
I'm not a Superblues member yet im expected to try and get rid of the raffle tickets at Xmas!
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