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Post by jamo on Mar 19, 2011 21:40:57 GMT 1
Game after game our manager either bottles the decision to make the substitutions necessary at the time they are required or he just does not see players who are struggling or who are not in the game.
Both Davis and Wroe were absoluely screaming out to be replaced from as early as the 50th ot 55th minute and yet he stands there and does nothing, just like he has done so many times this season when a game is slipping away from us.
Poor, poor man management which may come back to bite us in the arse.
Turner out
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Mar 19, 2011 21:42:39 GMT 1
Bit early to be on the hard stuff innit....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 21:46:12 GMT 1
Game after game our manager either bottles the decision to make the substitutions necessary at the time they are required or he just does not see players who are struggling or who are not in the game. Both Davis and Wroe were absoluely screaming out to be replaced from as early as the 50th ot 55th minute and yet he stands there and does nothing, just like he has done so many times this season when a game is slipping away from us. Poor, poor man management which may come back to bite us in the arse. Turner out Great game as he had, the only person I could see who was screaming out to be replaced was Collins, having run himself into the ground. Not sure what time they happened exactly but late on both Wroe and Davies pushed forward and had very decent chances to win the game............. McIntyre and Disley have both had a knack of giving away late costly free kicks this season so I dont know what was so easy about the decisions he had to make.
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Post by shrewswolf on Mar 19, 2011 21:46:23 GMT 1
Both Davis and Wroe were absoluely screaming out to be replaced from as early as the 50th ot 55th minute Wroe maybe, but Davis? he played the best switches of play and through balls throughout. Seemed the only one to properly use the wingers!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 19, 2011 21:47:46 GMT 1
Disagree today. There;s two ways to go, leave the team as it is, as they were playing well, or make changes which can go either way.
The eleven on the pitch were playing very well in the second half, and were more than capable of getting the goal (didn't unfortunately).
Personally would have introduced Ainsworth and Bradshaw around the 70 minute mark, but who for? No point making changes for the sake of change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 21:51:30 GMT 1
Davies was knackered, tghe substitution of collins for bradshaw was nailed on from about 14:15 this afternoon, although 10 minutes later than normal!! And people said Simpson had no plan B and his substitutions penned before kick off!!
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Post by markglasgow on Mar 19, 2011 21:52:38 GMT 1
Come on Jamo. The points you make may be valid(ish) but Turner out? Who do you think we are Port Vale??
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Post by El Presidente on Mar 19, 2011 21:54:51 GMT 1
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Post by SheffieldShrew on Mar 19, 2011 22:03:14 GMT 1
The game wasn't slipping away from us at all, there was only going to be one winner in the 2nd half. Don't let the truth get in the way of your though
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Post by theyesman on Mar 19, 2011 22:07:20 GMT 1
Agree with you Jamo (sort of). His subs are to late and predictable. Every game a striker off a striker on, usually Bradshaw. Explain to me what Bradshaw is there to offer apart from work rate. I'm afraid all this build up of 'Super' Tom Bradshaw has got to his head I think and obviously Turner believes the hype as well! Back to Turners subs, they are just left to late and when bought on have no/little impact. Today it was obvious Davies was on his last legs and needed to be taken off. With McIntyre and Disley on the bench (two good league two players) why not bring them on! However, taking Wroe off, our best midfielder, what sort of manager do you think Turner is
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Post by jamo on Mar 19, 2011 22:12:22 GMT 1
However, taking Wroe off, our best midfielder, what sort of manager do you think Turner is To say that Wroe has been a massive disappointment since he signed for us is a huge understatement !! He has added absolutely nothing to our midfield nor does he offer anything more or better than is, and was, already here.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 19, 2011 22:12:52 GMT 1
What frustrates me about the current team is that in most games we have spells where we look good and play decent football, but can in the same game look disorganised and devoid of ideas - today was a classic case of that. I've yet to see us play well for 90 minutes
Thought we needed some pace upfront in final quarter of the game and would have liked to have seen Bradshaw and possibly Ainsworth introduced with 25 minutes to go
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Post by theyesman on Mar 19, 2011 22:17:48 GMT 1
However, taking Wroe off, our best midfielder, what sort of manager do you think Turner is To say that Wroe has been a massive disappointment since he signed for us is a huge understatement !! He has added absolutely nothing to our midfield nor does he offer anything more or better than is, and was, already here. 4 wins on the bounce when he arrived? I'd struggle to name a better central midfielder in League Two. Don't need to argue on here how good he is though. Just watch his overall game play.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 19, 2011 22:24:02 GMT 1
We had the best of the final 20 minutes.
Why did that need to change?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 22:30:04 GMT 1
TBH, Davies for a start, he was struggling, mis placing passes and looking to the bench virtually pleading to come off!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 22:33:34 GMT 1
However, taking Wroe off, our best midfielder, what sort of manager do you think Turner is To say that Wroe has been a massive disappointment since he signed for us is a huge understatement !! He has added absolutely nothing to our midfield nor does he offer anything more or better than is, and was, already here. Now I know you are on a wind up
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Post by texmexshrew on Mar 19, 2011 22:46:37 GMT 1
We had the best of the final 20 minutes. Why did that need to change? I'd have taken some confidence in seeing Taylor go at the full back and the space we werent using against the opposite fullback with Wright. Couple of choices - Collins off for Ainsworth and go with Lionel and Taylor off Harrold. Or even Wright off for Lionel. Turner didnt do enough to win that game. Wycombe bought on players to replace tiring legs and inject or maintain the effort in the middle of the park at a time where ours was waning.
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Post by mrmagoo on Mar 19, 2011 22:47:13 GMT 1
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Post by jamo on Mar 19, 2011 22:52:15 GMT 1
We had the best of the final 20 minutes. Why did that need to change? Why did we need to change ? Just remind me how the score changed in the last 20 minutes ? How about turning a stuttering home performance into one where we took the game to promotion opponents and took the maximum points necessary ? Davis was awful, and he was really. really awful from around about the hour mark - he was clearly knackered, and yet he still stayed on the pitch despite several substitutes being available. Poor management in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 22:55:03 GMT 1
Buffoon[/quote No need for that, however I do agree with you, but not for starting this thread!!
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Post by jamo on Mar 19, 2011 22:56:41 GMT 1
Turner didnt do enough to win that game. Wycombe bought on players to replace tiring legs and inject or maintain the effort in the middle of the park at a time where ours was waning. Spot On. Our manager failed to seize the intiative which, in my opinion, is incumbant upon us as the home team to take the game to the opposition.
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Post by mrmagoo on Mar 19, 2011 22:59:42 GMT 1
Buffoon[/quote No need for that, however I do agree with you, but not for starting this thread!! To suggest that Turner should be outed is absolutely ridiculous..
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Post by Jonah on Mar 19, 2011 23:00:35 GMT 1
To say that Wroe has been a massive disappointment since he signed for us is a huge understatement !! He has added absolutely nothing to our midfield nor does he offer anything more or better than is, and was, already here. Now I know you are on a wind up no he isn't??? get real there is no improvement whatsoever in fact it is worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 23:01:11 GMT 1
Nope,
I think he is entitled to his opinion!!
although he is a buffoon!!
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Post by mrmagoo on Mar 19, 2011 23:03:15 GMT 1
Nope, I think he is entitled to his opinion!! although he is a buffoon!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 23:25:53 GMT 1
I think Nicky Wroe has been an excellent addition and with a full pre-season with us I'm gonna back him to be our Player of the Year next season, regardless of what league we're in.
Back to the thread topic, I am entirely in agreement with Turner making no subs in that 55-75 minute area. If I had to take one player off it would have been Wright however I don't believe there was an obvious replacement for him on the bench.
The team that started the match were the team that would have won the match had it not been for the officials.
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Post by Slackbladder on Mar 19, 2011 23:36:38 GMT 1
This thread has got to be a wind up
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Post by blum on Mar 20, 2011 11:39:37 GMT 1
We keep saying the same sme thing week after week... If we are cruising then, yes, bring on subs in the last few minutes to close the game down, however, yesterday we needed the changes at around 70 minutes IMO and not with 5 minutes to go. When we make the cahnges the game turns on its head and we overrun the other teams, we can see it so why cant they?
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Post by Dale on Mar 20, 2011 11:46:39 GMT 1
To say Turner should go is utterly ridiculous, have you got some vendetta against the man ever since your TWOTS regarding Ainsworth was rumbled? However his lack of substitutions at key times in the second half is very frustrating and annoying, around the 70 minute mark would have been the ideal time to put some fresh pace on, it was clear to us all that Davis was having a stinker, he should have gone off then to make way for Ainsworth, with Ainsworth taking up the left wing and Wright moving into the middle. Changing things with barely ten minutes to go is hardly going to make any difference?
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Post by Dale on Mar 20, 2011 11:48:57 GMT 1
However, taking Wroe off, our best midfielder, what sort of manager do you think Turner is To say that Wroe has been a massive disappointment since he signed for us is a huge understatement !! He has added absolutely nothing to our midfield nor does he offer anything more or better than is, and was, already here. What has dissapointed me about Wroe is that I'm sure I read somewhere that he was a 'set piece specialist' at Torquay yet we've seen nothing of the sort? Our poor quality at set pieces is something that desperately needs to be addressed in the near future.
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