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Post by froggy on Jul 27, 2010 10:45:11 GMT 1
Think the shade of blue is horrible, its a horrible kit in my opinion, i wanted to buy this but heyho! I'll do without for another season. You could make kits like this and the past 2 seasons on football games like pro evo.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Jul 27, 2010 10:47:11 GMT 1
How many attended the launch last night? Was it well attended? Round the 80 mark i would say. Thanks Tim - not exactly a roaring success then.
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Post by barrynic on Jul 27, 2010 10:57:46 GMT 1
Why oh why did the Shrewsbury heirarchy not consult anyone over this or indeed look in a few old programmes.
All we wanted was a traditional blue shirt with the legendary loggerheads on somewhere, and if necessary old clippy hidden away if it had to be on.
But my god the useless "suits" create a modern shirt with a corporate logo, huge collar in the wrong colour and present it crumpled at its first showing.
Yet again more evidence that our hard earned money is being wasted on people that do not have a clue about the traditions that we as supporters hold dear to our hearts.
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Post by abalshrew on Jul 27, 2010 10:58:02 GMT 1
Sorry don't like it - wanted to like it but its dull dull dull - Harry Hill does George at ASDA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 27, 2010 11:01:11 GMT 1
Why oh why did the Shrewsbury heirarchy not consult anyone over this or indeed look in a few old programmes. All we wanted was a traditional blue shirt with the legendary loggerheads on somewhere, and if necessary old clippy hidden away if it had to be on. But my god the useless "suits" create a modern shirt with a corporate logo, huge collar in the wrong colour and present it crumpled at its first showing. Yet again more evidence that our hard earned money is being wasted on people that do not have a clue about the traditions that we as supporters hold dear to our hearts. Bang on!
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Post by DaveG on Jul 27, 2010 12:15:47 GMT 1
I quite like it, and whilst I would love to see the Loggerheads back, I understand the reasons behind the change and I accept that it isn't coming back.
Having said that, not doing something as basic as ironing the kit for it's first public showing is a very very basic mistake which would get most PR companies fired. It does make quite a nice shirt look terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 12:20:13 GMT 1
I am not buying it mainly because it is only a one season shirt and there have been too many of those in recent times. This is our fourth season at the new ground but we are on our third home shirt, not to mention all the away kits we have got through. That added to the fact I don't want a blue and white kit. But that is my personal choice and I respect the choice of others to buy it and I will bear it for one season and hope the club keep their word to return to blue and amber next season and that we actually see kits lasting for two years, both home and away. I really like the new shirt and there is no white on it (apart from the Joma font) just a plain blue shirt. As mentioned by a friend the kit looks like the Italy 1970 World Cup kit. Personally the club should keep the all blue shirt for 2 seasons and introduce amber shorts for season 2011/12
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 12:59:45 GMT 1
I like the collar and the colour.
However it doesn't really represent us or our heritage. Although I like the blue, I'm not sure it matches any of the traditional kits. The clipart lion and the sponsor also mean the kit appears nothing like what Town would have worn 'back in the day'.
I'm sure it will still sell well with a large number of fans. Pity more of the shirts without the sponsor aren't on offer, especially at a price affordable to the majority of the supporter base (I know the £125 will include other items but I would have like to have seen the sponsor-less shirt sold on it's own).
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Post by rockyshrew on Jul 27, 2010 13:33:42 GMT 1
I have to say I quite like it. It's very similar in style to the current England shirt I think. If you going to have a shirt celebrating 125 years then it needs to look retro, and big collar's were in - in those days.
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Post by barrynic on Jul 27, 2010 14:21:01 GMT 1
They might as well have have it a polo neck
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Post by creature on Jul 27, 2010 16:31:41 GMT 1
nice shirt, shame about the badge
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Post by mattmw on Jul 27, 2010 18:05:30 GMT 1
Poor effort but sadly not surprising. Has neither enough historical connections to the past to justify the 125 year link nor does it even use the corporate blue the club employs elsewhere. The fact it creases so easily raises concern how it will look after a few washes, and why we insist on demonstrating our love of clip art to the outside world I'll never know. Another excellent idea spoilt by poor execution and lack of consultation with fans and design experts
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Post by nicko on Jul 27, 2010 18:32:28 GMT 1
Round the 80 mark i would say. Thanks Tim - not exactly a roaring success then. How many people do you need to make it a roaring success? It was a successful night, the objective of launching the kit was achieved and "Hello Cleveland" were good to watch as usual. The Club tried something a little bit different so must be given a bit of credit for that. We had a bit if insight into the other kit manufacturers who were involved in the bidding process (Hummel and the Italian mob beginning with C that I can't spell). A couple of interviews with the some players, with Jake Robinson raising a laugh (cheeky chappie) Best of all was catching with some people I haven't seen since the end of last season, which is always nice. Overall a very pleasant evening. As for the home kit. Apart from the logo, it looks very good.
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Post by mccshrew on Jul 27, 2010 18:38:37 GMT 1
Thanks Tim - not exactly a roaring success then. How many people do you need to make it a roaring success? It was a successful night, the objective of launching the kit was achieved and "Hello Cleveland" were good to watch as usual. The Club tried something a little bit different so must be given a bit of credit for that. We had a bit if insight into the other kit manufacturers who were involved in the bidding process (Hummel and the Italian mob beginning with C that I can't spell). A couple of interviews with the some players, with Jake Robinson raising a laugh (cheeky chappie) Best of all was catching with some people I haven't seen since the end of last season, which is always nice. Overall a very pleasant evening. As for the home kit. Apart from the logo, it looks very good. i told myself i wasnt going to post on this thread as it was winding me up so much, but agree with what was said here. Its comments like hoovers that make me think some fans just want the club to fall flat on their arse everytime they try something new -almost like he's pleased they 'only' had 80? how about instead of sitting on here moaning about the lack of fans turning out to these events that people from the club donate their time for nothing to arrange, why not get off your computer, put your hand in your pocket and support the club you claim to love at special events like this that the club are at no obligation to arrange?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 18:47:38 GMT 1
I think it's frankly outrageous that you are demanding that fans 'stick their hand in their pocket' to support a club that has deliberately alienated thousands of supporters during the past 2 and a half years.
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Post by randomguy123456789 on Jul 27, 2010 18:56:31 GMT 1
Tacky and childish
and that's just the badge....
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Post by mccshrew on Jul 27, 2010 19:04:01 GMT 1
I think it's frankly outrageous that you are demanding that fans 'stick their hand in their pocket' to support a club that has deliberately alienated thousands of supporters during the past 2 and a half years. 'alienated thousands of supporters' ??! haha, what, so you and 10 of your mates dont like having to sit down to watch a match and stfc have had to replace the loggerheads to create their own identity and you think the club did it purposely and deliberately just to p**s you off?
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Jul 27, 2010 19:11:20 GMT 1
Let's just get something straight here, the likes of NickO, mccshrew and 1 or 2 individuals on Facebook, I support the club in many ways from being a season ticket holder travelling to both home and away games to Super Blues and Gold Bond member and do not take joy or pleasure in hoping that the club fall flat on its arse with whatever venture they put on for the fans etc, far from it, I applaud their efforts - on this occasion I originally thought that 80 was a poor turnout, though figures by some put the attendance at almost twice that, which is far better, the statement I made of not being a roaring success was not a slight on the clubs efforts at all, if I didn't live almost 70miles away I myself would've attended - I just wondered if the kit style,colour and badging etc had any effect on numbers in attendance, hence my comment about only 80 supporters showing up,(I wondered if the 2 could be connected), I was later corrected and am pleased for both club and those who went along.
As for comments on another thread about the Greenhous Meadow sign, I'm indifferent about it really as I rarely go to the front of the stadium though I do believe that it being at the centrepiece of the stadium as visitors arrive and in the main eyeline as you approach he main entry it would've looked better with the same appearance as the sponsors logo seen on the shirts. Whether or not the blue flashes are there bothers me not as to its' importance, just my initial reaction to how I saw it.
And on that note I look forward to August 7th with anticipation, c'mon you blues!
PS: And yes I will be purchasing home and away shirts for both my son and I!
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Post by keithyshrew25 on Jul 27, 2010 19:38:43 GMT 1
It's not the greatest surprise that some fans had decided even before they saw it that they don't like it... Marvelous
I like it and will be buying it, in case anybody cares
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Post by mattmw on Jul 27, 2010 19:40:23 GMT 1
how about instead of sitting on here moaning about the lack of fans turning out to these events that people from the club donate their time for nothing to arrange, why not get off your computer, put your hand in your pocket and support the club you claim to love at special events like this that the club are at no obligation to arrange? I think you have inadvertantly hit on the problem the club faces at the moment. Despite now being a business with a £4 million a year turn over the commercial side of the club still seems to be being run with the attitude of "we're not obligated to do" The launch of a new kit, especially one marking the 125th anniversary of the club should not be something that staff at the club do for free, it should be being done by experienced professionals used to doing such events, either directly employed by the club, or brought in to do the event. I'm sure everyone involved did their best at the event, but opportunities were missed and mistakes made that with a little more care, attention and knowledge of marketing could have really kick started the 125th anniversary, and helped sell the club to a wider audience. For example were business leaders in the town invited to the event? Were the press invited, not just sports writers; were those attending shown the other facilities the club has to offer? Its not just a one off either we've seem similar issues happen in aspects of the clubs commercial activities since we moved to the new ground. Im sure whatever designed shirt was in the club shop it would sell to fans, but the club needs to think bigger and better if it wants to get long term income into the club through its commercial activities.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 27, 2010 19:42:58 GMT 1
Much as people want to complain about the complainers...
there is no doubt a lot of people have been very turned off the football club by events over the last three years...
It matters little when your attendance has gone up over that time...
the worry comes 4-5 years on once the new ground bubble is burst (if it ever does..)
I would hate to think just cos you dont agree with some thing you not free to comment on a open messageboard such as this.
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Post by shrewsace on Jul 27, 2010 19:51:59 GMT 1
Gauging it as best I can from the pictures on Shrewsweb, I think the new shirt is OK, and nowhere near as horrendous as some are making out.
BUT we've never played in that shade of blue and the new badge has no link with our history.
As a shirt it's OK, as a 'traditional' shirt to commemorate 125 years of STFC it doesn't do the job.
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Post by mccshrew on Jul 27, 2010 20:44:59 GMT 1
how about instead of sitting on here moaning about the lack of fans turning out to these events that people from the club donate their time for nothing to arrange, why not get off your computer, put your hand in your pocket and support the club you claim to love at special events like this that the club are at no obligation to arrange? I think you have inadvertantly hit on the problem the club faces at the moment. Despite now being a business with a £4 million a year turn over the commercial side of the club still seems to be being run with the attitude of "we're not obligated to do" The launch of a new kit, especially one marking the 125th anniversary of the club should not be something that staff at the club do for free, it should be being done by experienced professionals used to doing such events, either directly employed by the club, or brought in to do the event. I'm sure everyone involved did their best at the event, but opportunities were missed and mistakes made that with a little more care and attention could have realy kick started the 125th anniversary, and helped sell the club to a wider audience. For example where business leaders in the town invited to the event? Its not just a one off either we've seem similar issues happen in aspects of the clubs commercial activities since we moved to the new ground. Im sure whatever designed shirt was in the club shop it would sell to fans, but the club needs to think bigger and better if it wants to get long term income into the club through its commercial activities. absolutely, agree with you here - however i still feel the clubs hands are tied - you want them to move on as a corporate brand, doing things the right way, and yet some people are still in small town mode and expect to be told about, and have statements released, on every single tiny detail as they feel its their 'right' as fans to know - The club is still pretty young in that sense - they havent had the ground for long, a few back stage changes and they are finding their feet - they need credit for staging such an event and not have every minor issue like a creased shirt publicly criticised! wheres the incentive for people to try and hold such an event again if everytime they try something new they get blasted for it? you cant have a nice happy local football club one minute and a massive £4 million pound corporate brand the next?
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Post by mattmw on Jul 27, 2010 20:58:02 GMT 1
There's no reason why the commercial side of things and the small, friendly club ideas can't be merged, infact in many ways they should be.
Through the official website and places like Blue and amber the club has access to hundreds of fans (customers) who are happy to give them their views and reactions for free. Companies pay thousands to get that sort of customer feedback, yet the clubs seems scared or unwilling to adopt these new ways of working to help benefit the club. On another thread its seems the club hasn't even bothered to reply to a complaint -again basic stuff whether you have a £20k turnover or £20 million
I'm afraid I don't buy the idea of "give them time to develop" the new ground hardly came out of the blue, and many other clubs have done it and lessons could have been learned from them. If you've not found your feet four years into the new ground, then maybe you need to think why that is and make changes.
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Post by shrew4life on Jul 27, 2010 21:00:45 GMT 1
It's mind boggling how STFC can make so many mistakes. It's just one after the other constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 21:03:10 GMT 1
Gauging it as best I can from the pictures on Shrewsweb, I think the new shirt is OK, and nowhere near as horrendous as some are making out. BUT we've never played in that shade of blue and the new badge has no link with our history. As a shirt it's OK, as a 'traditional' shirt to commemorate 125 years of STFC it doesn't do the job. Probably sums it up the best Quite like the shirt myself but I can appreciate that people will argue that it is not exactly traditional For the people moaning about Joma & Greenhous being on the kit, get in the real world. We live in a money orientated world and no company in their right mind are going to give us money and not have their names plastered over the kit. I believe that all the special commemorative kits have had sponsors/kit makers on them. The only exception was the Manchester derby for the Munich anniversary (I stand corrected of course) The badge of course is another issue. Yes it would have been nice if we had the original badge on the kit (if anyone knows what it is) but again as it is our new 'logo' then I never thought it was likely People have made some valid criticisms, but of course there are people who just enjoy moaning for the sake of it
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jul 27, 2010 21:07:05 GMT 1
People have made some valid criticisms, but of course there are people who just enjoy moaning for the sake of it I believe that there is a fine line between stating a dislike of something and moaning. There are of course posters whose repitition of "againsts" does indicate moaning for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 21:11:10 GMT 1
People have made some valid criticisms, but of course there are people who just enjoy moaning for the sake of it I believe that there is a fine line between stating a dislike of something and moaning. There are of course posters whose repitition of "againsts" does indicate moaning for the sake of it. To be fair your probably right. There are certain posters on here who have a reputation for being negative and if they make a negative comment they will get criticised, even if its a fair comment and Ive been guilty of doing it myself However judging by the posts leading up to last night, there were obviously people who werent going to like the kit no matter what.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 27, 2010 21:43:36 GMT 1
Some good points made about how people are just knocking the club whatever, some people really are just totally negative.
Good comments by Mattmw and mccsshrew
My own particular thoughts are summed up by shrewsace. There's nothing at all wrong with the shirt, just in my opinion it doesn't seem to fit in with our recent history nor anything else in our 125 years, it doesn't seem like a shrewsbury town kit.
My other point is that yes the club have at least tried to do something different to launch the kit and have invited the fans along and doing so is a good thing.
However, a few other points: - a kit has been launched in colours that aren't our usual ones - no-one seems to have done any market research whatsoever to consult fans over what they would like to see us play in and what they would purchase by way of colours or design - the club has had a mockup design of the kit on their website for weeks, which hasn't had too many favourable comments - the club had a launch party at the stadium that fans were expect to pay to attend (i may be wrong on that), to launch the kit that they would be hoping that the fans would be buying. That's a bit like Sainsbury's charging customers to enter their stores - The timing of the launch was a bit odd to me, on a monday night when then next day, the following saturday and the following monday the same people they were hoping to attract to this event they were already likely to be coming - why not combine events? Did they seriously expect me to attend the stadium 4 times in 8 days? - Based on the above, how many people were they seriously hoping to attract?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 28, 2010 8:20:57 GMT 1
It's hard to judge a football shirt when it has breasts inside it.
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