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Post by MarkRowley on Jun 27, 2010 18:34:54 GMT 1
I hope that cock Blatter was given some grief by anyone within shouting distance for his smug utterances on this subject for years which have now come home to roost at what should be the pinnacle of world football.
Lampard's goal would in truth only have masked what was an awful first half display but 2-2 at HT would have potentially given us all of the momentum.
FIFA will no doubt try to sweep this under the carpet and say that a final score of 4-1 means that this wasn't a crucial decision. That may be the case - there is no doubt that the Germans were miles better than our inept bunch but we can't lose sight of an embarrassing situation for the game brought about completely by the inept governing body who would rather spend time kicking pretty girls in orange outfits out of stadia to protect their soul-sold-to-devil deals with multinational conglomerates.
Perhaps only when Brazil have a winning goal ruled out in the same circumstances in the last minute of the final will FIFA actually do anything.
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Post by monkee on Jun 27, 2010 18:36:48 GMT 1
you dont need goal line technology for that particular decision, but they could have gone with the extra 2 linesmen/officials/pedantic gits
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 27, 2010 18:38:18 GMT 1
I doubt they will go back on it, my personal opinion is that these decisions balance themselves out and if you can't introduce it at least every professional level its not a level playing field.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 18:38:37 GMT 1
they could even have appointed a linesman that wasnt blind
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Post by blueandamber on Jun 27, 2010 19:00:46 GMT 1
In principal its a good idea, but if it we get goal line technology brought in, then would it move to off side replays, fouls and other indicents causing the game to stop several times ?
As others have said, the goal line technology is a good idea, obviously todays events have pointed that out, but I wish the ref would have just opened his eyes!
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 27, 2010 19:01:07 GMT 1
A game played by humans adjudicated by humans. Do we really want to go down the rugby/cricket route? Robot refs anyone?
Just glad that the linemans/refs error didn't overshadow the mistakes made by some of the players in red. This is the real story of this match.
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Post by oteley on Jun 27, 2010 19:20:08 GMT 1
I doubt they will go back on it, my personal opinion is that these decisions balance themselves out and if you can't introduce it at least every professional level its not a level playing field. Balance themselves out?! Less clear cut decisions maybe but that was an absolute shocker. Would love to see the decision that balances that out!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 20:02:20 GMT 1
anyone remember this
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 27, 2010 20:11:31 GMT 1
I doubt they will go back on it, my personal opinion is that these decisions balance themselves out and if you can't introduce it at least every professional level its not a level playing field. Balance themselves out?! Less clear cut decisions maybe but that was an absolute shocker. Would love to see the decision that balances that out! It has for the Germans after 44 years
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Post by northwestman on Jun 27, 2010 20:18:47 GMT 1
Doesn't excuse the German keeper for being a cheat.
He also clearly knew it was a goal but covered it up.
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Post by RBA on Jun 27, 2010 20:22:38 GMT 1
A game played by humans adjudicated by humans. Do we really want to go down the rugby/cricket route? Robot refs anyone? Just glad that the linemans/refs error didn't overshadow the mistakes made by some of the players in red. This is the real story of this match. I have to say I think the rugby ,cricket ,even wimbledon route is vastly superior to what we saw today and in several matches in the last few years England deserved to have lost 7-1 thats not the point surely its important to get as near as we can to the correct decisions whther they help or hinder England- football is just making itself look archaic and silly!
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jun 27, 2010 20:29:05 GMT 1
Doesn't excuse the German keeper for being a cheat. He also clearly knew it was a goal but covered it up. And the little English innocents were robbed of their virginity by the nasty Germans. lol mate....like we have not done similar..
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jun 27, 2010 20:32:54 GMT 1
Never mind goal line technology. We need full video technology.
Tevez just scored for Argentina and he was 3 yards offside. The big screen showed it as a clear offside. Ref and linesman now know it is offside and can't change the decision as he has seen a replay much to the annoyance of the Mexico players and a massive scuffle between the players and benches at the half time whistle.
FIFA are going to have a massive shock one of these days when something happens in a very high key match. It will happen and it will cause a lot of trouble. Could be this years final, could be a champions league final but t will happen one of these days.
Sort it out Blatter you prat.
1 clear cut goal disallowed and one given for being 3 yards offside i the 2 games today.
football is a joke and are run by a load of thick c**nts.
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Post by Tux on Jun 27, 2010 20:59:39 GMT 1
Never mind goal line technology. We need full video technology. Tevez just scored for Argentina and he was 3 yards offside. The big screen showed it as a clear offside. Ref and linesman now know it is offside and can't change the decision as he has seen a replay much to the annoyance of the Mexico players and a massive scuffle between the players and benches at the half time whistle. FIFA are going to have a massive shock one of these days when something happens in a very high key match. It will happen and it will cause a lot of trouble. Could be this years final, could be a champions league final but t will happen one of these days. Sort it out Blatter you prat. 1 clear cut goal disallowed and one given for being 3 yards offside i the 2 games today. football is a joke and are run by a load of thick c**nts. Hit the nail on the head.
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 27, 2010 21:08:39 GMT 1
Never mind goal line technology. We need full video technology. Tevez just scored for Argentina and he was 3 yards offside. The big screen showed it as a clear offside. Ref and linesman now know it is offside and can't change the decision as he has seen a replay much to the annoyance of the Mexico players and a massive scuffle between the players and benches at the half time whistle. FIFA are going to have a massive shock one of these days when something happens in a very high key match. It will happen and it will cause a lot of trouble. Could be this years final, could be a champions league final but t will happen one of these days. Sort it out Blatter you prat. 1 clear cut goal disallowed and one given for being 3 yards offside i the 2 games today. football is a joke and are run by a load of thick c**nts. Hit the nail on the head. Lol! You couldn't make this up....
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Post by Jonah on Jun 27, 2010 21:14:54 GMT 1
Hit the nail on the head. Lol! You couldn't make this up.... Makes you laugh 2 dodgy linesman nothing to do with technology. If it's introduced what do we talk about in the pub after?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 27, 2010 21:16:40 GMT 1
Lol! You couldn't make this up.... Makes you laugh 2 dodgy linesman nothing to do with technology. If it's introduced what do we talk about in the pub after? Possibly England vs Argentina
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Post by Jonah on Jun 27, 2010 21:22:21 GMT 1
Makes you laugh 2 dodgy linesman nothing to do with technology. If it's introduced what do we talk about in the pub after? Possibly England vs Argentina You are not serious are you? Pathetic performance that got what it deserved Well maybe not 6 1 was probably a fair result.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 27, 2010 21:23:48 GMT 1
Possibly England vs Argentina You are not serious are you? Pathetic performance that got what it deserved Well maybe not 6 1 was probably a fair result. If the goal had been allowed then who knows. Anyway that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm making is that it seems really ridiculous to dismiss video technology in the fear that there will be no talking points.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 21:30:35 GMT 1
once a season there is a debatable goal that might have crossed the line or not
every game seems to have a goal that maybe should or should not have stood due to a bad decision or cheating etc
i suppose it all evens itself up even if it takes 44 years
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Post by Jonah on Jun 27, 2010 21:39:12 GMT 1
You are not serious are you? Pathetic performance that got what it deserved Well maybe not 6 1 was probably a fair result. If the goal had been allowed then who knows. Anyway that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm making is that it seems really ridiculous to dismiss video technology in the fear that there will be no talking points. But Feedo it's a game of talking points isn't it? Take them away and what have you got?
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Post by Ned on Jun 27, 2010 21:58:29 GMT 1
People often say about things like this and poor referee/assistant referee decisions, "these things even themselves out". I actually agree with what Simmo said on LKO last season that, in fact, they don't even themselves out.
Technology has to be introduced. We've seen two claims in one day. The first, the ball was blatently over the line and the second, a player was clearly offside. It would take 10 seconds tops for a 5th Official to see the replay. Even if we only have it in the top leagues for a few years as a trial, it would be a step in the right direction.
This has to be done. I know it's taking "something away from the game" but as Lawro said in commentary, this is 2010.. the 21st Century. We've got to do what Tennis, Cricket and Rugby have done. Move with the times, FIFA.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 27, 2010 22:04:03 GMT 1
If the goal had been allowed then who knows. Anyway that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm making is that it seems really ridiculous to dismiss video technology in the fear that there will be no talking points. But Feedo it's a game of talking points isn't it? Take them away and what have you got? More talking points It's like saying why sack an underperforming manager because then we won't be able to moan about him
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 27, 2010 22:38:15 GMT 1
All of sudden everyone wants help for the refs and linesmen. Uefa introduced extra goal line officials for the Europa cup comp this season and this move was less than acclaimed. Great idea now right???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2010 23:06:40 GMT 1
The Doctor opposes goal-line technology.
Keep football traditional.
That said, today's officials should never again be allowed to officiate an international fixture.
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Post by RBA on Jun 28, 2010 7:43:44 GMT 1
All of sudden everyone wants help for the refs and linesmen. Uefa introduced extra goal line officials for the Europa cup comp this season and this move was less than acclaimed. Great idea now right??? Mark there have been a reasonable number of games where goals have not been allowed that were clearly over the line We dont need extra officials ( though I am not against them) if we use a camera like tennis ,cricket, rugby and many other sports do England were awful and deserved to lose by more than they did ,over paid ,underperforming ,overhyped players that they are, but believe it or not I would have been unhappy if a German goal that had crossed the line and not been given (and before you ask I am still not sure the 66 goal did! but technology has moved on we dont object to refs using microphones to speak to their assistants it is just plain silly and archaic not to have a replay it really works in other sports sort it out Mr Blatter!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2010 9:40:03 GMT 1
If they want a solution that could be implimented right down to park level then why not simply slope the area in the goal If won't sort out those clearances that might have crossed the line but it would certainly stop the likes of lampards goal from coming back into play
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Post by shrew54 on Jun 28, 2010 10:02:42 GMT 1
IMHO the 2 decisions did not need any technology at all! The Lampard 'goal' - as soon as it went down off the crossbar the majority of people watching knew it was in, as did the players and coaches on the sidelines, but a linesman on ground level 15 yards from the corner flag didn't A player scores when he is nearer the goal than the last 2 defenders and the linesman misses it. Neither decision was difficult for them, that's always been their main role. What else do they do now? The referees seem to want to give every decision even when the linos are in a better position, we see it every week at our level, surely they can spot really obvious ones, I can understand the odd mistakes but the two yesterday were shockers. The worst bit for me was when Rooney was pointing out how far it had gone over the linesman was adamant it hadn't, and I bet they would have said it wasn't after seeing it.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 28, 2010 11:03:21 GMT 1
I have felt that technology should be used for a deciding whether a ball is over the line for a long time.
In the Mexico game last night that was clearly an offside and the fact the instant replay was shown in the stadium made it farcical that decision was made.
I don't get the argument that you shouldn't have it because it would have to be introduced to every level of football - there are various other rules that aren't applied in grass roots football that are in top level football e.g. number of subs, off sides, neutral linesmen, suspensions, bookings / sendings off etc.
I was really hoping that there would be at least some footage of blatter's live reaction to lampard's goal and him squirming in his seat. Unlike with referee's though he doesn't have to give an instant reaction and will either not make a decision or will produce a carefully prepared statement in several days
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