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Post by Minor on Jun 28, 2010 11:54:20 GMT 1
Doesn't excuse the German keeper for being a cheat. He also clearly knew it was a goal but covered it up. Has he got eyes in the back of his head or what ?, he was looking the other way when it bounced. Get over it, England were rubbish.
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Post by nicko on Jun 28, 2010 17:12:09 GMT 1
once a season there is a debatable goal that might have crossed the line or not That's a good point. How often does this actually happen? Obviously '66, I remember Romania having a goal disallowed in '94(?) and yesterday. In the domestic game maybe one or two at all levels, is technology really worth it? The human factor is an important part of the game. Managers/coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes and so do officials. The off-side (or lack of) decision yesterday was rank bad officiating from the lino, it happens and it hurts if it goes against your team. Keep technology out of the game. And please will the football journos stop bleating about, bunch of goons.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 17:24:12 GMT 1
Ive said before that I dont want video technology in football, something which would create a further division between football at the top level and at grass roots level
I heard a few pundits say how quickly it could have been sorted if video replayes were allowed. In this instance, yes but not all instances are so clear-cut. After 44 years theres still arguments over the 1966 and of course that Liverpool/Chelsea goal
As for yesterdays 'goal'. surely if the ref/linesman couldnt see if it had crossed the line then common sense would have said due to the angle of the ball going down/coming back up, it must have been over the line
Have to admit Im pleasantly surprised to see very few peoplem, including the media, moaning about this and instead concentrating on an abysmal performance
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Post by blue and ambar on Jun 28, 2010 17:50:14 GMT 1
once a season there is a debatable goal that might have crossed the line or not That's a good point. How often does this actually happen? Obviously '66, I remember Romania having a goal disallowed in '94(?) and yesterday. In the domestic game maybe one or two at all levels, is technology really worth it? The human factor is an important part of the game. Managers/coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes and so do officials. The off-side (or lack of) decision yesterday was rank bad officiating from the lino, it happens and it hurts if it goes against your team. Keep technology out of the game. And please will the football journos stop bleating about, bunch of goons. But when players make mistakes there are other players on the pitch trying to stop them. No one is trying to stop the ref. It is the game itself that people want to talk about not the officiating of the game. Also it has been happening regularly enough that FIFA need to something about it. Remember the Spurs 'goal' against Manchester United and the goal that wasnt last season when Reading were playing Watford.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2010 18:31:21 GMT 1
I doubt they will go back on it, my personal opinion is that these decisions balance themselves out and if you can't introduce it at least every professional level its not a level playing field. Where's the logic in that? Why does there have to be a level playing field? Does it matter if there are differences between the officiating of England - Germany and Barnet - Accrington? The rules are still the same. It's not as if there weren't differences already between the different tiers of professional football, some of which make far more difference - number of subs on the bench, quality of pitches, undersoil heating. It's a pointless non-argument by Blatter.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2010 18:40:58 GMT 1
That's a good point. How often does this actually happen? Obviously '66, I remember Romania having a goal disallowed in '94(?) and yesterday. In the domestic game maybe one or two at all levels, is technology really worth it? The human factor is an important part of the game. Managers/coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes and so do officials. The off-side (or lack of) decision yesterday was rank bad officiating from the lino, it happens and it hurts if it goes against your team. Keep technology out of the game. And please will the football journos stop bleating about, bunch of goons. But when players make mistakes there are other players on the pitch trying to stop them. No one is trying to stop the ref. It is the game itself that people want to talk about not the officiating of the game. Also it has been happening regularly enough that FIFA need to something about it. Remember the Spurs 'goal' against Manchester United and the goal that wasnt last season when Reading were playing Watford. It doesn't need technology. Two extra officials, one on each goal line, and Henry's handball is seen, Lampard scores, Spurs score at Man Utd etc. In other words, you eliminate the howling errors. Even the 3rd goal in 1966 would be seen by someone with a better view than the linesman or ref that day. Not expensive and the result would be a higher proportion of correct decisions. It's absurd to say we should treat officials' mistakes in the same way as players'. Nobody watches football (or any sport) for the officials. Players' mistakes are part of the game but everything that can be done to reduce officials' mistakes should be done. Their job is to interpret the rules to the best of their ability - 5 officials could do a better job than 3 and the number of mistakes would reduce. No robots, all human. Why would anyone not want that?
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jun 28, 2010 21:41:29 GMT 1
First of all, There is one camera in the top corner of each goal which was more than sufficient to sort this out . It would have and did take less than 10 seconds for the replay to be displayed onto the huge screen in the ground where it reaffirmed what the crowd already knew but the blind ref and officials refused to look at it and make the correct decision . Sepp Blatter letting the use of Technology or letting the officials use the technology thats already been installed ? The German kraut is a rascist barsteward and has denied us what is rightfully ours . Did i spot him goose stepping out of the stadium yesterday ?
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Post by siabod on Jun 28, 2010 22:14:52 GMT 1
The Doctor opposes goal-line technology. Keep football traditional. Yes, let's have a leather ball with lace up over the old bladder. Got to move on sometime, for me the best idea seems to be the ball with the built in chip which (it is claimed) will indicate instantly if the ball has crossed the line. The sound from the chip would be relayed to the refs earpiece. It would also help with throw ins letting the assistant refs concentrate on other happenings on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 22:18:41 GMT 1
I don't get FIFAs objection to it based on the idea that not all levels will be able to afford the technology.
How far down the pyramid do the walky talkies the WC and football league referees use??
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2010 22:33:17 GMT 1
if fifa had any sense those walky talkies would already be secretly fed by a 3rd umpire or whatever they are called
whos to know and whos to care if the right decisions are made ?
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Post by scooter on Jun 29, 2010 0:40:15 GMT 1
First of all, There is one camera in the top corner of each goal which was more than sufficient to sort this out . It would have and did take less than 10 seconds for the replay to be displayed onto the huge screen in the ground where it reaffirmed what the crowd already knew but the blind ref and officials refused to look at it and make the correct decision. It might only take 10 seconds, but when do you stop the play for those 10 seconds? When the ball bounced out, the germans attacked and almost scored at the other end - if you stop them during that attack and then find out it bounced on the line, you are unfairly disrupting their attack If technology can give the ref an instant yes or no, with a chip in the ball, then ok, let's do it, but I do not want play stopped while the officials make a decision
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Post by cicero on Jun 29, 2010 1:10:24 GMT 1
Allegedly Sepp Blatter is prepared to sanction goal-line technology as long as the company given the contract allegedly match Adidas' donation to his account for the Jubilani. Obviously not true but fertile conspiracy theory territory.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 29, 2010 7:08:51 GMT 1
They could do the same as they do in snooker And place the players in the same positions that they were in ;-)
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jun 29, 2010 7:50:20 GMT 1
If they want a solution that could be implimented right down to park level then why not simply slope the area in the goal Now that may be worth a punt.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 29, 2010 8:56:42 GMT 1
I can certainly see where Blatter is coming from (I know, shocks me too). Football is a beautifully simple game, that’s part of its great appeal. So you would wish to see the very same game played in the pub leagues of England by the very best in the World Cup. But then if you’re playing for your pub side your only spending a couple of quid to bus it down to your local park. If you’re heading off to the World Cup then supporters are spending hundreds and even this time around, thousands to get there. I actually think its cheating those fans who have made such a massive effort and paid an awful lot of money to get there only to see good goals disallowed. In a game that’s all about scoring goals then every supporter in the world knows the significance of that Lampard goal not being given when it should. In a game all about scoring goals then it has a massive impact on the proceedings, without a doubt. So for a massive event like the World Cup, I’d like to see FIFA do something…its cheating the fans who have paid so much to get there…
And as folk have already mentioned, it doesn’t even need to be technology. Just stick another official next to the goals so he can look along the goal line at all times to see whether the ball has gone in or not. It’s that simple.
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Post by Dancin on Jun 29, 2010 12:43:52 GMT 1
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Post by Ned on Jun 29, 2010 15:15:40 GMT 1
Just showed a clip of his Press Conference on ITV. Did seem that he was having a U-Turn on his views on it. Good point by Andy Townsend, who I normally can't stand, that Blatter is incredibly lucky that something controversial that technology could have helped hasn't happened in a World Cup Final.
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