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Jun 22, 2010 22:42:07 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 22, 2010 22:42:07 GMT 1
Why no increase in duty?
But as of January:
Petrol will go up by 3p a litre A Pint will go up by 6p A packet of cigarettes up 15p A bottle of wine up 10p a bottle of spirits up 30p
All of these due to the increase in VAT which David Cameron said was not within his plans.
You can always trust the Tories I think not.
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Jun 22, 2010 22:49:56 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jun 22, 2010 22:49:56 GMT 1
i'm giving up beer and drinking petrol instead
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Jun 22, 2010 22:58:48 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2010 22:58:48 GMT 1
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Jun 22, 2010 23:14:09 GMT 1
Post by keithyshrew25 on Jun 22, 2010 23:14:09 GMT 1
I assume the Tories have had to make compromises because of the LibCon thing. It's going to take a while to unravle the mess we're in so I suggest we all brace ourselves and get on with it
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Jun 22, 2010 23:25:42 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jun 22, 2010 23:25:42 GMT 1
and noone can do a thing about it
bit like if we are bottom at Xmas Roland will be saying, you wanted him ;-)
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Jun 22, 2010 23:50:14 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 22, 2010 23:50:14 GMT 1
VAT is raising money so that a softer Capital Gains Tax increase can occur.
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Jun 23, 2010 7:58:23 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Jun 23, 2010 7:58:23 GMT 1
I was surprised booze and fags were left alone. Those two are choices not essentials and would have been a good revenue raiser.
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Jun 23, 2010 8:36:15 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 8:36:15 GMT 1
I was surprised booze and fags were left alone. Those two are choices not essentials and would have been a good revenue raiser. But they weren't left alone duty was not increased but VAT was so he still got his extra on fags and booze. VAT was introduced by Tories in 1973 at 10% In 1974 Labour reduced standard rate of VAT to 8% In 1979 Thatcher increased the rate to 15% In 1991 it was again increased by the Tories to 17.5% A Tory cash cow tax the most regressive tax. So much for being a fair budget.
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Jun 23, 2010 8:52:45 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Jun 23, 2010 8:52:45 GMT 1
I was surprised booze and fags were left alone. Those two are choices not essentials and would have been a good revenue raiser. But they weren't left alone duty was not increased but VAT was so he still got his extra on fags and booze. VAT was introduced by Tories in 1973 at 10% In 1974 Labour reduced standard rate of VAT to 8% In 1979 Thatcher increased the rate to 15% In 1991 it was again increased by the Tories to 17.5% A Tory cash cow tax the most regressive tax. So much for being a fair budget. We all knew taxes were going to rise, there was no choice thanks to 13 years of throwing money around like confetti. Labour would have had to do the same. I know it was a worldwide recession but we would be in a far better position if money had been put aside when the economy was doing well.
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Jun 23, 2010 9:15:50 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 9:15:50 GMT 1
We all knew taxes were going to rise, there was no choice thanks to 13 years of throwing money around like confetti. Labour would have had to do the same. I know it was a worldwide recession but we would be in a far better position if money had been put aside when the economy was doing well. Of course taxes were going to go up. Labour chose to improve the infrastructure of the country over the last 13 years repairing the damage of 18 years of Tory neglect. Osborne chose a regressive, tax he could have chosen to tax those than can afford it most. But honestly what do we expect from a Tory Chancellor. I wonder how many Lim Dems voted for an increase in VAT or a 2 year pay freeze for people earning £21,001 in the public sector, a predicted cut in growth and increased unemployment.
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Jun 23, 2010 9:29:49 GMT 1
Post by froggy on Jun 23, 2010 9:29:49 GMT 1
We all knew taxes were going to rise, there was no choice thanks to 13 years of throwing money around like confetti. Labour would have had to do the same. I know it was a worldwide recession but we would be in a far better position if money had been put aside when the economy was doing well. Of course taxes were going to go up. Labour chose to improve the infrastructure of the country over the last 13 years repairing the damage of 18 years of Tory neglect. Osborne chose a regressive, tax he could have chosen to tax those than can afford it most. But honestly what do we expect from a Tory Chancellor. I wonder how many Lim Dems voted for an increase in VAT or a 2 year pay freeze for people earning £21,001 in the public sector, a predicted cut in growth and increased unemployment. lol ... You're just blinkered and hate conservative. Deal with it, it needs to be done! No politician sticks to what they originally say.
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Jun 23, 2010 9:38:26 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 9:38:26 GMT 1
lol ... You're just blinkered and hate conservative. Deal with it, it needs to be done! No politician sticks to what they originally say. Having lived through the 1980 you are right I hate what the conservatives did to this country the problem is I can see it happening again, schools and hospitals not maintained, services scrapped, national assets sold. Yes I will deal with it by highlighting every time the Tories attack the weakest in society. Guess I'll be posting a lot.
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Jun 23, 2010 9:51:20 GMT 1
Post by froggy on Jun 23, 2010 9:51:20 GMT 1
lol ... You're just blinkered and hate conservative. Deal with it, it needs to be done! No politician sticks to what they originally say. Having lived through the 1980 you are right I hate what the conservatives did to this country the problem is I can see it happening again, schools and hospitals not maintained, services scr@pped, national assets sold. Yes I will deal with it by highlighting every time the Tories attack the weakest in society. Guess I'll be posting a lot. Did you live through the 70's where under a labour government rubbish was piled up in the streets and the dead weren't being burried?
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Jun 23, 2010 9:57:00 GMT 1
Post by siabod on Jun 23, 2010 9:57:00 GMT 1
lol ... You're just blinkered and hate conservative. Deal with it, it needs to be done! No politician sticks to what they originally say. Having lived through the 1980 you are right I hate what the conservatives did to this country the problem is I can see it happening again, schools and hospitals not maintained, Are you claiming they have been properly maintained since then ?
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Jun 23, 2010 9:57:06 GMT 1
Post by monkee on Jun 23, 2010 9:57:06 GMT 1
Having lived through the 1980 you are right I hate what the conservatives did to this country the problem is I can see it happening again, schools and hospitals not maintained, services scr@pped, national assets sold. Yes I will deal with it by highlighting every time the Tories attack the weakest in society. Guess I'll be posting a lot. Did you live through the 70's where under a labour government rubbish was piled up in the streets and the dead weren't being burried? did you? did you live through the brutal treatment of the miners strike, the poll tax riots or any of the civil unrest that accompanies a tory govt? did you work for the health service under the tories, and see it improve immeasurably under labour? Did you go to school under thatcher and have to share text books between 4? or did you go to a well funded school improved by the labour govt? both parties have their faults, and i feel a stranger to the current labour party, but life has taught me that the last thing the tories want to do is improve the lot of the poor. their priority is the rich as they are in bed with them.
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Jun 23, 2010 10:00:18 GMT 1
Post by froggy on Jun 23, 2010 10:00:18 GMT 1
Did you live through the 70's where under a labour government rubbish was piled up in the streets and the dead weren't being burried? did you? did you live through the brutal treatment of the miners strike, the poll tax riots or any of the civil unrest that accompanies a tory govt? did you work for the health service under the tories, and see it improve immeasurably under labour? Did you go to school under thatcher and have to share text books between 4? or did you go to a well funded school improved by the labour govt? both parties have their faults, and i feel a stranger to the current labour party, but life has taught me that the last thing the tories want to do is improve the lot of the poor. their priority is the rich as they are in bed with them. No, i didn't live through those times and what you say about the cons i totally agree with. I just don't like the general bitter generalisation that people have of political parties.
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Jun 23, 2010 10:15:13 GMT 1
Post by monkee on Jun 23, 2010 10:15:13 GMT 1
did you? did you live through the brutal treatment of the miners strike, the poll tax riots or any of the civil unrest that accompanies a tory govt? did you work for the health service under the tories, and see it improve immeasurably under labour? Did you go to school under thatcher and have to share text books between 4? or did you go to a well funded school improved by the labour govt? both parties have their faults, and i feel a stranger to the current labour party, but life has taught me that the last thing the tories want to do is improve the lot of the poor. their priority is the rich as they are in bed with them. No, i didn't live through those times and what you say about the cons i totally agree with. I just don't like the general bitter generalisation that people have of political parties. fair enough it's difficult not to, i dont really have a political party these days. if there was an "anyone but the tories" box, i would tick that because we live in a hugely unfair world but only the tories bahave as if they want to keep it that way.
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Jun 23, 2010 10:26:52 GMT 1
Post by froggy on Jun 23, 2010 10:26:52 GMT 1
No, i didn't live through those times and what you say about the cons i totally agree with. I just don't like the general bitter generalisation that people have of political parties. fair enough it's difficult not to, i dont really have a political party these days. if there was an "anyone but the tories" box, i would tick that because we live in a hugely unfair world but only the tories bahave as if they want to keep it that way. seconded
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Jun 23, 2010 10:42:03 GMT 1
Post by Bilbo on Jun 23, 2010 10:42:03 GMT 1
Tory BullPoo! Did anyone watch the Paxman - Cameron Interview,..... This was his first budget! Link------> Bull-Shyte
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Jun 23, 2010 10:44:00 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 10:44:00 GMT 1
Did you live through the 70's where under a labour government rubbish was piled up in the streets and the dead weren't being burried? Yes I lived through the 70's, you have been reading too much Tory propoganda yes there was a few months of industrial unrest which led to rubbish piled up in the streets and the dead not being burried. But what does a few months compare with a decade of "There is no such thing as society" Thatcher. siabod, the state of the infrastructure in both education and the health service is vast improvement on the state it was in 1997.
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Jun 23, 2010 10:47:36 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 23, 2010 10:47:36 GMT 1
Of course taxes were going to go up. Labour chose to improve the infrastructure of the country over the last 13 years repairing the damage of 18 years of Tory neglect. Osborne chose a regressive, tax he could have chosen to tax those than can afford it most. But honestly what do we expect from a Tory Chancellor. I wonder how many Lim Dems voted for an increase in VAT or a 2 year pay freeze for people earning £21,001 in the public sector, a predicted cut in growth and increased unemployment. lol ... You're just blinkered and hate conservative. Deal with it, it needs to be done! No politician sticks to what they originally say. Establish the need. Compare the duration of the UK debt with other countries before you simply trot out proportions of public debt to GDP and then assert "It's unsustainable".
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Jun 23, 2010 10:59:07 GMT 1
Post by siabod on Jun 23, 2010 10:59:07 GMT 1
Did you live through the 70's where under a labour government rubbish was piled up in the streets and the dead weren't being burried? siabod, the state of the infrastructure in both education and the health service is vast improvement on the state it was in 1997. Not what many of my friends in the health service suggest.
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Jun 23, 2010 11:11:29 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 11:11:29 GMT 1
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Jun 23, 2010 11:17:05 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 11:17:05 GMT 1
We all knew taxes were going to rise, there was no choice thanks to 13 years of throwing money around like confetti. Labour would have had to do the same. I know it was a worldwide recession but we would be in a far better position if money had been put aside when the economy was doing well. Of course taxes were going to go up. Labour chose to improve the infrastructure of the country over the last 13 years repairing the damage of 18 years of Tory neglect. Osborne chose a regressive, tax he could have chosen to tax those than can afford it most. But honestly what do we expect from a Tory Chancellor. I wonder how many Lim Dems voted for an increase in VAT or a 2 year pay freeze for people earning £21,001 in the public sector, a predicted cut in growth and increased unemployment. Ed I could be of course wrong but your posts on all things political come across that Labour are the party of the people and did everything they could to help the working class whilst the Tories are still the nasty party who only care about the rich and are basically sh*tting on the poor Can you please tell me how the average man in Britain was helped by Labour in 13 years? Alternatively, if Labour had stayed in power, how they would have helped the average man AND sort out the countries financial problems? I must admit that Im showing my political ignorance if you like and a lot of my 'knowledge' does come from the press, media so I know that there will be bias dependent on what I read/hear. But certainly I got the impression that Labour undoubtedly were in a very good financial positon initially but there was a hell of a lot of money wasted. Now that hasnt put us in the financial position we are in but certainly hasnt helped As Ive said on other posts, I have no great liking of any political party and must admit that my attitude of politicians is they are very much the same, regardless of parties. I must admit that when I grew up and starting to be aware of politics I did have the impression that the Tories were for the elite whilst Labour were the party for the working class, but as I said above now I believe they are very much alike, things like the expenses scandal dont help I fully expect that the average, working man will suffer at the hands of the current government, however just as it did in the previous government and just how it would have done had Labour stayed in power. Its admirable that all sets of supporters wish to defend their party, however a lot of it is blinkered
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Jun 23, 2010 11:32:29 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 11:32:29 GMT 1
I do believe whole heartedly that the poorest in society are best look after by a socialist party.
I could write an essay on the measures the last Labour Government introduced that benefitted the weakest in society but here is just a few:
Minimum wage family tax credits family allowances low mortgage rates low inflation Sure Start
I would never suggest that any Political Party was perfect but the Labour Party does fit best with my Christian beliefs.
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Jun 23, 2010 11:41:46 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 23, 2010 11:41:46 GMT 1
I missed the prickly dead in the 1970s.
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Jun 23, 2010 11:56:47 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 11:56:47 GMT 1
I do believe whole heartedly that the poorest in society are best look after by a socialist party. . Id agree with that, however I wouldnt agree that Labour did that. I believe Ed Milliband has recently said the reason Labour lost the election was because they were out of touch with the working class Maybe I was a bit flippant with "what have labour done for the working man" but I can only speak from experience of myself and people around me and they certainly are not better off from the previous government. Well maybe we are but it certainly doesnt feel like it Basically my point is that you are very, very quick to criticise the Tory Government and make out they are the work of the devil. But I really dont see any difference between them or Labour Type in labour scandals and sleaze into google and Im not so sure some of the stories would fit in with your christian and social ideals
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Jun 23, 2010 12:21:20 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 12:21:20 GMT 1
I'm hardly a Tory supporter (far from it), but I don't agree with the comment that VAT is a regressive tax.
The majority of items charged VAT are not necessities but luxuries. Is it a necessity to buy a pint of beer, a plasma screen tv or a new pair of trainers? No it isn't. This is (mostly) a tax on concumer consumables, not a tax on the poor.
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Jun 23, 2010 12:40:28 GMT 1
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jun 23, 2010 12:40:28 GMT 1
The majority of items charged VAT are not necessities but luxuries. Is it a necessity to buy a pint of beer, a plasma screen tv or a new pair of trainers? No it isn't. This is (mostly) a tax on concumer consumables, not a tax on the poor. ...and part of the reason our society has so much private debt is that we have treated them as necessary consumables. We cry foul about "the poor" being hammered by a government that gives them shelter, sanitation, healthcare and money for food. Go to a township 10 miles from a World Cup stadium and offer a local the same.
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Jun 23, 2010 12:47:39 GMT 1
Post by Shrewed on Jun 23, 2010 12:47:39 GMT 1
I'm hardly a Tory supporter (far from it), but I don't agree with the comment that VAT is a regressive tax. The majority of items charged VAT are not necessities but luxuries. Is it a necessity to buy a pint of beer, a plasma screen tv or a new pair of trainers? No it isn't. This is (mostly) a tax on concumer consumables, not a tax on the poor. Far be it for me to disagree with our Prime Minster who in 2009 called VAT a regressive tax
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