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Post by nicko on Oct 13, 2006 12:19:48 GMT 1
Predominately blue, with some white seats in the £10 million stadium. I wonder how much of the budget has been set aside for seats? Maybe it's a simple matter of economics. 85% of supporters identify Salop with blue and amber, shouldn't that have been 85% of respondents (X amount) prefer blue and amber, I didn't fill out any survey. For the last 31 years I have seen Salop in blue and amber, amber and blue, white and blue and blue and white (The traditional colours) and it hasn't mattered one jot, it was still Shrewsbury Town FC.
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Post by jamo on Oct 13, 2006 12:22:44 GMT 1
85% of supporters identify Salop with blue and amber, shouldn't that have been 85% of respondents (X amount) prefer blue and amber, I didn't fill out any survey. For the last 31 years I have seen Salop in blue and amber, amber and blue, white and blue and blue and white (The traditional colours) and it hasn't mattered one jot, it was still Shrewsbury Town FC. Hear, hear. We are also happy to see the Town in any number of differently coloured second kits without all this fuss. It's still STFC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 12:23:51 GMT 1
Predominately blue, with some white seats in the £10 million stadium. I wonder how much of the budget has been set aside for seats? Maybe it's a simple matter of economics. 85% of supporters identify Salop with blue and amber, shouldn't that have been 85% of respondents (X amount) prefer blue and amber, I didn't fill out any survey. For the last 31 years I have seen Salop in blue and amber, amber and blue, white and blue and blue and white (The traditional colours) and it hasn't mattered one jot, it was still Shrewsbury Town FC. You clearly feel very strongly about not feeling very strongly about the club's colours.
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Post by nicko on Oct 13, 2006 12:31:33 GMT 1
You clearly feel very strongly about not feeling very strongly about the club's colours.
Clearly.
My offer of a pint and a chat is genuine btw as mentioned above.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 12:34:30 GMT 1
However, that is due to a number of issues such as certain existing groups.individuals who have their own small/large circle of power at the club unwilling to lose that. Hit the nail right on the head there. BTW Welshshrew I'm more than happy to meet you for a pint and discuss this as I personally do face to face better if you know what I mean. Will be in touch
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Post by nicko on Oct 13, 2006 12:37:14 GMT 1
Will be in touch Nice one
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 13, 2006 12:43:28 GMT 1
You clearly feel very strongly about not feeling very strongly about the club's colours. Clearly. My offer of a pint and a chat is genuine btw as mentioned above. hes know to drink 6 pints before a game an be a shambles... catch him ealry nick
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2006 12:50:15 GMT 1
Predominately blue, with some white seats in the £10 million stadium. I wonder how much of the budget has been set aside for seats? Maybe it's a simple matter of economics. 85% of supporters identify Salop with blue and amber, shouldn't that have been 85% of respondents (X amount) prefer blue and amber, I didn't fill out any survey. For the last 31 years I have seen Salop in blue and amber, amber and blue, white and blue and blue and white (The traditional colours) and it hasn't mattered one jot, it was still Shrewsbury Town FC. This representative sample thing is all petty point scoring. The board said "what do the fans think" So we gave out 2000 questionnaires and had 576 returned. Random people on a random matchday. You show me a better representative sample and I will believe your findings. But "I never had a questionnaire" is no reason to dismiss the figures. You can do a statistical analysis of the finding to find the error if you want. All the data is still around somewhere. Even with an error of 10% of the original sample, which is almost unheard of, there would still be 5 times more fans think it is blue and amber compared to blue and white.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2006 12:58:27 GMT 1
My offer of a pint and a chat is genuine btw as mentioned above. Is that an open offer to everyone, or just Gaz?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 13:00:16 GMT 1
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2006 13:01:40 GMT 1
I was talking specifically about clubs with blue and white seats in their stadiums.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 13:03:16 GMT 1
I was talking specifically about clubs with blue and white seats in their stadiums. but it's interesting that they play in black and white (and orangey bits) and have done for as long as I can remember, yet their stadium has blue & white seats.....
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Post by robshrew1984 on Oct 13, 2006 13:03:58 GMT 1
You clearly feel very strongly about not feeling very strongly about the club's colours. Clearly. My offer of a pint and a chat is genuine btw as mentioned above. We should arrange a night where everbody is welcome to turn up. Where we can all meet up at a designated pub have a pint or 2 and discuss any of the pressing issues and what we feel would be the best way to move forward and to try to implement our plans. Possibly somebody could take minutes (notes) and post on here for the exiles. How about it?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2006 13:06:37 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 13:10:17 GMT 1
6 years would be a bonus most of the time.... I bow to your greater googleability Dave notworthy notworthy
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Post by nicko on Oct 13, 2006 13:21:24 GMT 1
This representative sample thing is all petty point scoring. Dave I respect the work you have done regards shrewsTrust and I well remember your speech at the launch. However the comment above is a bit dissappointing. You gave out 2000 questionaires just over a quarter of which were returned. What game was it and what was the home gate? The comment that I didn't receive a questionaire has nothing to do with dismissing the figures, it is fact and it might appear, depending on the gate, that a couple of thousand didn't get one either and that's a fact. Is that an open offer to everyone, or just Gaz? Sure
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Post by jamo on Oct 13, 2006 13:26:53 GMT 1
My offer of a pint and a chat is genuine btw as mentioned above. Make it somewhere other than The Nags Nick........we don't want his sort in there.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2006 13:36:57 GMT 1
Actually just re read the report and it was 1500 quetionnaires, total crowd of 3789, including away fans.
Any criticism of the process that occurred means that either:
1) You have access to a better, more representative piece of research 2) You don't have faith in my competence 3) You don't have faith in the honesty of my findings.
Show me a better representative sample and I will gladly consider it. Of course the process of gathering this sample was not perfect, no sample ever is. Of course there is statistical error, every sample has it. But until anyone can provide evidence that the sample is not representative, or was fixed & altered, then it stands as the only thing we have.
It just seems that half the time people complain no-one is doing anything and then when people do things people complain they haven't done them well enough.
I know the issues with our sample and our procedure of data collection, but I did market research for two years as part of my degree, getting a first, and am very confident that any other random sampling technique at Gay Meadow at that time would have not provided a different result.
If we did the same thing now it may well tell us something different, we will never know.
I would love someone else to do a better and wider ranging analysis of the needs of our fanbase.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Oct 13, 2006 14:24:47 GMT 1
...when you see ageing skin adverts when 80% of ladies say the skin care cream helps their wrinkles - if you read the small print at the bottom it says they only did a test on 120 ish !
1500 from 3500 is far superior to any mori poll out there asking who people would vote for in an election.
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Post by jamo on Oct 13, 2006 14:47:37 GMT 1
1500 from 3500 is far superior to any mori poll out there asking who people would vote for in an election. That's a fair point snapper. You have a fine knowledge of the history of STFC therefore please tell me how this fascination with blue and amber comes about ?... as for the majority of the clubs existence it has always been blue and white that were the `corporate` colours (if there can be such a thing with football clubs) As someone else said earlier we have seen them play in any number of colours and designs but it's still the Town.
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Post by nicko on Oct 13, 2006 14:53:16 GMT 1
1500 from 3500 is far superior to any mori poll out there asking who people would vote for in an election.
Only if all 1500 replied though.
For Dave.
I don't doubt your integrity. Was the questionaire included in the match day programme? Was is it online for those unable to get one of the 1500 questionaires? Could it have been included in the local press? Maybe volunteers could have asked the questions before, at half-time and at the end of the game at the buffet areas. The various supporters groups could have sent out the questionaires to their respective membership.
I'm sorry that you get the impression that I'm being critical, like I said I have a lot of respect for what you did with shrewsTrust.
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 13, 2006 14:59:00 GMT 1
You have a fine knowledge of the history of STFC therefore please tell me how this fascination with blue and amber comes from. as for the majority of the clubs existence it has always been blue and white that were the `corporate` colours (if there can be such a thing with football clubs) As someone else said earlier we have seen them play in any number of colours and designs but it's still the Town. A question for our very mature board readers (i.e. even older than jamo and myself) Was there an outcry when town moved to blue and amber (1970?)? personally not too bothered about the seats but like the blue and amber kit because it gives us a bit of distinctiveness
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Post by Sir Bob Worcester on Oct 13, 2006 15:11:28 GMT 1
1500 from 3500 is far superior to any mori poll out there asking who people would vote for in an election. I’m sorry that’s not a fair comparison. The Mori polls you refer to may be based on what sounds like a small sample but this is weighted so that the sample it is representative of society as a whole. The STFC fans survey was questionnaires distributed at random. It wasn’t – and doesn’t claim to be – a scientifically conducted opinion poll. Even so its findings should not be dismissed lightly.
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Post by Fingers on Oct 13, 2006 15:24:02 GMT 1
Im all in favour of the Blue and amber here but a few points.
Any outrage when our away kit changes quite regularly? Red and Black are the colours of Walsall are they not?
There are two seperate arguments on here now.
1. The seat colours at the meadow
2. Kit colours.
So would people accept blue and white seats with the team playing in Blue and Amber?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 16:11:51 GMT 1
I suspect people's allegiance to certain colours and strips depends largely on what it was that made an impression when they first started watching Town.
For me the only 'true' Town strip is the blue and amber stripes, because that's what they wore when I started watching them in 1978. Haven't been too fussed by any of the 'other' strips that we have worn since then. Oddly though, I realised from Dave's kit link that actually Town have only ever worn blue and amber stripes for something like 5 seasons in their entire history.
But it made an impression on me. Presumably we were playing in Blue and White when Roland started watching....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 17:37:30 GMT 1
The questionnaire was available on the official web-site.
It was also linked to from here and from the B&A site.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2006 17:39:18 GMT 1
1500 from 3500 is far superior to any mori poll out there asking who people would vote for in an election. Only if all 1500 replied though. For Dave. I don't doubt your integrity. Was the questionaire included in the match day programme? Was is it online for those unable to get one of the 1500 questionaires? Could it have been included in the local press? Maybe volunteers could have asked the questions before, at half-time and at the end of the game at the buffet areas. The various supporters groups could have sent out the questionaires to their respective membership. I'm sorry that you get the impression that I'm being critical, like I said I have a lot of respect for what you did with shrewsTrust. They do electoral forecasting from a few thousand out of 60 million Hardly any opinion poll for anything, or any market research, would ever need to be more than 2000 or so. I worked for the Boots Advantage Card Marketing Scheme and although we used an active database of 11 million a sample of data never needed to be more than a couple of thousand to be representative of everyone. Questionnaires were available online, and given out in the narrows, in the supporters bar, executive club & sponsors lounge. We had people with clip boards asking people in the narrows, the wakeman stand, the family stand and the riverside. Questionnaires were available from the club reception, and if my memory serves me correctly the club shop too. The OSC, shrewsTRUST, B&A Fanzine and other groups helped administer it. If you think we needed 1500 to have a representative sample of our matchday fanbase then Coca Cola would have to interview over 30 million people to assess their advertising campaigns. We do our best with the resources we have, within the statistical proof methods that allow us to make claims based on the research. One person ticked blue and white for every 15 that ticked blue and amber. If anyone gets a better sample that would be brilliant and I would welcome the results I look forward to the drink, and sorry for being a bit over sensitive, it has been a long week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 17:39:20 GMT 1
Im all in favour of the Blue and amber here but a few points. Any outrage when our away kit changes quite regularly? Red and Black are the colours of Walsall are they not? There are two seperate arguments on here now. 1. The seat colours at the meadow 2. Kit colours. So would people accept blue and white seats with the team playing in Blue and Amber? I personally think the most valuable debate contained in these pages is only just getting started, and that concerns supporters group engagement with the club.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Oct 13, 2006 17:39:39 GMT 1
1500 from 3500 is far superior to any mori poll out there asking who people would vote for in an election. That's a fair point snapper. You have a fine knowledge of the history of STFC therefore please tell me how this fascination with blue and amber comes about ?... as for the majority of the clubs existence it has always been blue and white that were the `corporate` colours (if there can be such a thing with football clubs) As someone else said earlier we have seen them play in any number of colours and designs but it's still the Town. A good question Mr Jamo. Its a well known fact the stripes were introduced either for, on behalf of or by the then chairman Tim Yates whose horse racing colours were the blue and amber stripes. With regards to deeper tales, I feel Malcolm Starkey would be best to know as he was obviously a player and then secretary through this period. Sadly older board members have passed on now. As a Man U fan like myself - if you designed a Man U kit, would it have black socks or white socks..? Lots of Man U fans wear the blue kit as worn on that night at wembley in the European Cup. For me, Shrewsbury Town are unique and should stay unique. Plymouth are green, Wolves are gold and black, Shrewsbury are blue and amber. A whole host of clubs are blue and white. I feel when we went down, our love for the club increased to extrordianry levels. Just like when great personal memories come flooding back when you hear a song from the past, for me and many others blue and amber are the colours we love because we connect with them so much. Our 'white' period was league success wise demoralising - even though the likes of John McGinlay etc never played in blue and amber. Answering your question with a conclusion, Id say the fascination with blue and amber comes about due to it being ethed into our shrewsbury town souls. To me, Shrewsbury Town meant me waking up in the morning when I was about 6 on a school day when my terrible dad didnt take me to an evening game - I grabbed the Town Times, on the back were the line ups with blue and amber in small arial print underneath before 1 Ken Mulhearn. I guess thats where my personal feelings come from. Anything else wouldnt be right.
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Post by jamo on Oct 13, 2006 18:01:19 GMT 1
A good question Mr Jamo. Its a well known fact the stripes were introduced either for, on behalf of or by the then chairman Tim Yates whose horse racing colours were the blue and amber stripes. With regards to deeper tales, I feel Malcolm Starkey would be best to know as he was obviously a player and then secretary through this period. Sadly older board members have passed on now. As a Man U fan like myself - if you designed a Man U kit, would it have black socks or white socks..? Lots of Man U fans wear the blue kit as worn on that night at wembley in the European Cup. For me, Shrewsbury Town are unique and should stay unique. Plymouth are green, Wolves are gold and black, Shrewsbury are blue and amber. A whole host of clubs are blue and white. I feel when we went down, our love for the club increased to extrordianry levels. Just like when great personal memories come flooding back when you hear a song from the past, for me and many others blue and amber are the colours we love because we connect with them so much. Our 'white' period was league success wise demoralising - even though the likes of John McGinlay etc never played in blue and amber. Answering your question with a conclusion, Id say the fascination with blue and amber comes about due to it being ethed into our Shrewsbury town souls. To me, Shrewsbury Town meant me waking up in the morning when I was about 6 on a school day when my terrible dad didnt take me to an evening game - I grabbed the Town Times, on the back were the line ups with blue and amber in small arial print underneath before 1 Ken Mulhearn. I guess thats where my personal feelings come from. Anything else wouldnt be right. I think the majority would concur with you Matt, certainly the 20s/30s generations and those younger still. When i first started watching Town play it was the all blue strip with white piping which i thought was a good kit but i didn't think anything of it when the stripes appeared, just same team different strip which is pretty much how i feel today whenever a new kit is launched. The red/black away kit is the best i've seen in a generation but when were we ever associated with those colours ? The issue of the seats leaves me feeling the same way, it won't stop me going and won't detract from the enjoyment i derive from it, make 'em whatever colour you want. I've played devil's advocate really on this issue because it obvioulsy is important to a large section of the fanbase and their views are as important as anyone's and should be considered but there was a club here before the 80's
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