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Post by Fingers on Oct 12, 2006 15:00:03 GMT 1
Implications are huge, blue and White is sh!te we do not want it.
Blue and Amber is Shrewsbury Town and it is a unique brand colour, who else has it?
We would also have to change the name of this messageboard and website.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 15:00:38 GMT 1
It must be easier to swallow for someone who can't see across to the other side of the ground. You're probably right.......i can still just about recognise hystercial bullsh!t though. I think bulls**t is a harsh word for concerns over the look of the New Stadium and general consultation issues, even if you're perfectly happy with the current state of affairs.
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Post by nicko on Oct 12, 2006 15:00:39 GMT 1
i can still just about recognise hystercial bullsh!t though. I wanted to say that but thought better of it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 15:03:17 GMT 1
Stupid post really. As paying customers for a number of years we derserve our say ( and opinion) and the idea of 'like it or lump it' is pathetic, we are the people who pay a lot of money every year to see them, arrange our holidays around them and even take time off work to watch them, so under no circumstances should we be given such a ridiculous ultimatum. Actually it was a statement from a post, the rest of which you didn't highlight. In your post you mention opinions, well as I said it's just my humble opinion. People feel very strongly about this issue (For some reason) if you feel strongly don't come to the New Meadow, I fail to see what is stupid about that. There are more important issues, and anyway as far as I can tell the seat colour is not deffinate and may be changed. It appears that the main issue though is that the Club didn't consult supporters groups, maybe they have more important issues to deal with with than getting bogged down in arguements about seats that the majority of supporters will not sit in anyway. As for the "brand". Shrewsbury Town FC is the brand not Blue and Amber. I beleive the RAC changed their colours a few years ago, but it's still the RAC, Arsenal are still Arsenal, etc,etc. That is very very naive NickO.
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Post by blueandamber on Oct 12, 2006 15:11:27 GMT 1
. If you don't like blue and white seats don't come, simple as. I pay good money to watch Shrewsbury Town, like everyone else, I also bought a share in shrewsTRUST (like alot of others) to be asked and to give my opinion on matters like this, of course, this only works if the Board ask's shrewsTRUST to ask for my opinion. Roland Wycherly won't be around forver, but the fans will. Its the fans who have to use the seats, and therefore I think its only fair that we get asked our opinion. I'm not saying that an amber seat would be more comfortable than a white seat, but its p**sed me off that they think they know whats best for us. We do have opinions and minds of our own. And please, don't be such a little kid with you're replies, you will embarrass yourself.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 12, 2006 15:21:59 GMT 1
They don't sell Coke in blue cans.
They did try calling it a different name though, that failed.
British Airways changed its image, weird tail fins, and it was an abysmal failue and they changed it back.
The Post Office changed it's image, to Consignia, and it was a failure, so they changed it back.
85% of fans think Blue and Amber are the club's colour. The chairman agrees with 5% of fans.
Many firms would die for the loyalty shown by fans of STFC. To not listen to them, or their wishes, despite the fact they were important in the process of getting a new ground, is a very real shame.
Go to the Deva Stadium Alan & Nick. Look up at those beautiful big white and blue seats, spelling out the name of their club.
Their club boys, not ours. Same with Everton, Chesterfield, Reading, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Cardiff, QPR, Chelsea, Luton, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Stockport, Brighton, Oldham, Gillingham, Carlisle.
What is unique about STFC? What do we have that no other club has?
"Blue and Amber" notworthy
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Post by nicko on Oct 12, 2006 15:29:53 GMT 1
And please, don't be such a little kid with you're replies, you will embarrass yourself. It's an opinion is that alright with you? The way people are carrying on . If RW wants blue and white seats let him have blue and white seats, the real issue is how we can maximise revenue from what could be a top venue and as a season ticket holder, trust member and sponsor of a player that's more important. Funny the comment about being a little kid with replies the way people are behaving on this issue.
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Post by blueandamber on Oct 12, 2006 15:36:13 GMT 1
And please, don't be such a little kid with you're replies, you will embarrass yourself. It's an opinion is that alright with you? The way people are carrying on . If RW wants blue and white seats let him have blue and white seats, the real issue is how we can maximise revenue from what could be a top venue and as a season ticket holder, trust member and sponsor of a player that's more important. Funny the comment about being a little kid with replies the way people are behaving on this issue. The 'if you don't like white seats, don't come' had nothing to do with the argument. It was a cockey remark. ...yes I know my 'don't be a little kid' remark followed suit.... Of course people will still come even with white seats, but you don't seem to understand that we would like to be listened to from time to time on these kind of matters, if you are going to do something, do it properly.
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Post by jamo on Oct 12, 2006 15:39:48 GMT 1
I don't understand all this comparison with other global brands as surely our true corportate identity is blue and white- they are our original colours- so perhaps Roland is intent on returning us to our traditional image afterall.
There are much bigger and more relevant issues about the NM for fans groups to get involved with than the colour of seats. I see this whole issue as bluster from ineffective bodies who are negating the real concerns facing supporters..
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Post by nicko on Oct 12, 2006 15:40:47 GMT 1
I have been to the Deva on a number of occasions Dave, honestly it makes no difference to me that they spell their name in blue and white seats. I wonder if the people who buy a box at the NM will care either? There are plenty of other places where we can have blue and amber around the ground. Did the article in the Chronicle say what the seats would spell if anything?
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Post by nicko on Oct 12, 2006 15:47:34 GMT 1
The 'if you don't like white seats, don't come' had nothing to do with the argument. It was a cockey remark. ...yes I know my 'don't be a little kid' remark followed suit....
Of course people will still come even with white seats, but you don't seem to understand that we would like to be listened to from time to time on these kind of matters, if you are going to do something, do it properly
If you knew me fella then you would know I'm the least cocky person there is.
The remark about " don't come" etc is that people really seem to feel very strongly about this, if you feel that strongly then don't come.
As for consulting the supporters groups. As Jamo and I have said there are far more important issues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 15:53:51 GMT 1
I don't understand all this comparison with other global brands as surely our true corportate identity is blue and white- they are our original colours- so perhaps Roland is intent on returning us to our traditional image afterall. There are much bigger and more relevant issues about the NM for fans groups to get involved with than the colour of seats. I see this whole issue as bluster from ineffective bodies who are negating the real concerns facing supporters.. I'd say it's a small but significant issue that clearly animates a number of supporters. It is however, entirely representative of the way the club deals with its supporters groups. I think you're right Jamo, that the supporters bodies are ineffective. 'Bluster' along with 'Rubbish' and 'Bulls**t', are terms that I would personally take as offensive if I didn't kow you. The challenge now is for supporters groups and the supporters they represent to get together asap. to start demanding a better relationship with the club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 15:55:08 GMT 1
As for consulting the supporters groups. As Jamo and I have said there are far more important issues. NickO, one more important issue would be parking. Another would be the supporters bar. How well do you think the club have consulted with fans over this issue?
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 12, 2006 16:01:17 GMT 1
whilst I don't feel especially strongly about having amber seats the whole thing seems fairly symptomatic of the way the club views its supporters -either it doesn't trust us or it doesn't care v.much or perhaps doesn't even think at all.
The club still have a real problem in terms of the way they market and conduct their relationship with fans and whilst this is a relatively small issue its part of a bigger problem. Hopefully, Mr Wellbeloved can help change some of this
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Post by Pilch on Oct 12, 2006 16:07:29 GMT 1
why doesnt roland take the easy option
blue, amber & white
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Post by nicko on Oct 12, 2006 16:09:17 GMT 1
How well do you think the club have consulted with fans over this issue?
They haven't, but my feelings about this have been made known to the Club. I see the point you're making but are we talking about the size of the bar, or how it is going to be used? The parking is bound to be restricted by space, as is the bar. Supporters need to be consulted on how the bar will operate (7 days aweek for example, volunteer bar workers etc) and how best to maximise the revenue from the bar. Parking, who owns the great big field just before Percy Throwers as you head towards the NM? A possible carpark? Name of the ground, stands, will we be able to hold gigs, boxing, wedding, wedding receptions etc,etc. Making money, not the colour of seats.
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Post by salopia1982 nli on Oct 12, 2006 16:14:32 GMT 1
The bar could make a fair wack, what happened to the chance of a Rugby team playing there or has that idea totally gone?
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Post by jamo on Oct 12, 2006 16:40:44 GMT 1
. I think you're right Jamo, that the supporters bodies are ineffective. 'Bluster' along with 'Rubbish' and 'Bullsh!t', are terms that I would personally take as offensive if I didn't kow you. . I don't for one moment believe that you (or any other adult) could possibly be offended by the terms bluster and bullsh!t ( i can't find the reference to rubbish) in this context. One was used in an attempt to describe what i see as little more than muscle flexing by a body with no teeth and the other was a response to a personal attack. It just seems strange to me that people can get so wound up about cosmetic details and yet appear less concerned with problems like access, parking, facilities, public transport links etc ,etc.
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Post by Gabble on Oct 12, 2006 16:44:04 GMT 1
Then 500 seats at 5,000 quids will hardly be anything to the club who is stand to make profits with the building of luxury houses on the Gay Meadow
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 16:46:55 GMT 1
. I think you're right Jamo, that the supporters bodies are ineffective. 'Bluster' along with 'Rubbish' and 'Bullsh!t', are terms that I would personally take as offensive if I didn't kow you. . I don't for one moment believe that you (or any other adult) could possibly be offended by the terms bluster and bullsh!t ( i can't find the reference to rubbish) in this context. One was used in an attempt to describe what i see as little more than muscle flexing by a body with no teeth and the other was a response to a personal attack. It just seems strange to me that people can get so wound up about cosmetic details and yet appear less concerned with problems like access, parking, facilities, public transport links etc ,etc. As I said not offended but I think you could put together what is a sound argument in a more constructive way. Who is less concerned with access, parking, facilities or public transport links? All these points have been raised in meetings with the club, via the Q&A site on newmeadow.com, but all of which have been responded to with a blanket wall of silence. However, an issue which arose yesterday was seeming confirmation that the club intends to take another step to designing the entire new ground in Blue and White. It's an immediate issue and one to respond to. And which will hopefully prove the catalyst for supporters groups and supporters to pull their fingers out and, as I said earlier, demand better consultation with the club.
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Post by Steve on Oct 12, 2006 16:57:13 GMT 1
why doesnt roland take the easy option blue, amber & white blue, amber & white? Those initials spell b a w, or another way, wba, who play in blue and white, which must mean subconsciously, the fans want blue and white. Simple.[/STFC Logic]
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Post by Hippo on Oct 12, 2006 17:14:23 GMT 1
I think with this sort of size stadium, letters will look dodgy whatever the colour. They look too squashed. White would seem an odd choice. It doesn't bother me as such, because they're seats at the end of the day, but because it's such a minor detail, why make a controversial decision? The unique thing's about us currently are 'Gay Meadow' and the blue and amber colours. To get rid of both of these is a bit of a shame. People do seem to dislike the white seats strongly, so saying it's insignificant and "if you don't like it, don't come" is rather a contradiction. If people do as you say, it IS effecting everything else, and IS an important issue. Having said all that, some of the current fanbase seem to think we play in blue and gold
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 12, 2006 18:11:05 GMT 1
It just seems strange to me that people can get so wound up about cosmetic details and yet appear less concerned with problems like access, parking, facilities, public transport links etc ,etc. This is the first confirmation in the public domain for discussion Jamo, hence it is being discussed. It is not being discussed above or before other issues. Those will be discussed whenever the club decides to lift the lid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 19:11:32 GMT 1
Can I just confirm as well as fact:
* Supporters raised this issue as something they felt strongly about (along with other issues mentioned on here) at a meeting with the Vice-Chairman and another Director
* A questionnaire was subsequently commissioned with full knowledge of the club which resulted in 5% stating that they felt the club colours were Blue/White and 85% that it was Blue/Amber
* A question was asked of the club what the seat colours would be. They said it was under discussion.
* Yesterday, the Chronicle informed us that the architect stated that they would be ordering blue and white seats. A quote from the club secretary seemed to back this up.
* The club are still refusing to officially comment.
Those are the simple facts. I'm prepared to be persuaded by anyone who doesn't think that is an issue. But they need to use those facts, and prepare an argument accordingly.
Cheers :-)
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Post by Dale on Oct 12, 2006 19:30:39 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 20:31:16 GMT 1
I wish it to go on record that I do not wish to sit at the New Meadow.
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Post by MarkRowley on Oct 12, 2006 20:59:47 GMT 1
I wish it to go on record that I do not wish to sit at the New Meadow. Spot on
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Post by MarkRowley on Oct 12, 2006 21:25:04 GMT 1
Not impressed by this development although have to say I am hardly surprised Agree with Jamo/Nick to a degree that this isn't something to have a "Connery" about, that said, it is reflective of an ongoing lack of thought and consideration by the Club/the Board for the supporters that has been demonstrated on many issues. I have no problem with the seats not being B&A, all blue will be fine by me, and a nice compromise would be amber steps. What does grate is blue and white as these are not our colours. It would be a major backwards step in trying to keep the STFC brand going if we revert to being associated with blue & white rather than B&A, and just become one of many clubs associated with these colours. As others have said, the colour of our strip is one of our main USP's, a la "Spinal Tap", and our most successful period in the league etc and to even consider becoming just another club who plays in blue & white would be utter madness, and I think would be commercial suicide. How many opposition fans do you meet who as soon as they see your shirt from any distance know you follow Town and have a stroy to tell about coming to the Meadow or seeing the shirt in Spinal Tap or seeing us on TV for one of the big Cup upsets? How many would recognise us if we played in boring blue & white? The County badge is B&A, the Town badge is B&A, the most successful period in Town's existence in the League was when we played in B&A, a significant chunk of our fanbase will only have seen us play in B&A, everyone knows we play in B&A - end of story As Jamo has said, in the whole scheme of things there are more important things to worry about, such as: - access - parking - what assistance will be given to get supporters to ground from Town/train station - why the plans are squirrelled away and not in the public domain - bar and catering facilities (I am in no way attracted to the enticing prospect of standing under the concrete drinking watered down beer from a plastic glass served by a loser on the minimum wage ) - other facilities for fans at the site - name of the stadium/individual stands & any sponsorship arrangements - how much season tickets will cost - what other events are planned there for the 330+ days of the year when Town won't be playing there - other alternative income streams for the site All of these issues are of varying degrees of importance to each individual fan but they all are important, and with theortically less than 10 months to go before we should be playing our first game at the new stadium, the Club's silence or intransigence is a cause for significant concern. On a final point, I'm not involved with the varying fan groups, I know some off here are, hopefully this issue can be a spur for them all to spring into action on a collarobative basis - outside perception presently is that perhaps too much navel gazing goes on amongst these various groups, and not enough concerted and persuasive argument being made to the Club/Board that the fans as a collective deserve to be treated with a little respect and not taken completely for granted, which has sadly been the case for far too long (with no immediate sign of any change in this approach).
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Post by jamo on Oct 12, 2006 21:28:45 GMT 1
Best post on the whole subject notworthy
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Post by bedsblue on Oct 12, 2006 21:28:56 GMT 1
Why not just have all blue. seems logical to me no bloody arguments
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