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Post by TOWN 2001 on Dec 1, 2003 0:29:15 GMT 1
No! Your treatment of Dunbavin, Drysdale, Jagielka and Murray was nothing short of disgraceful. Publically declaring that these players were no longer part of STFC future has merely demoralises them to the point where they cannot be recalled, what kind of man management is that?. The treatment of Ian Dunbavin is particularly disgracefull!! For all his faults Ian has always given his best for STFC and following the Tamworth game he has got to be in contention for an immediate recall. It was noticeable that Darren Tinson and Dave Ridler were less than impressed with Howie's control of the box against Tamworth. As a supporter of STFC for 30 years i am distressed to our current situation. I am now convinced that Quinn is not the the man for the job and we need someone who encourages players, not demoralises them! We need a manager who is Shrewsbury through and through to get this club back where it belongs, in the football league. Quinn's approach is not going to achieve this. I am now convinced that he is not the right man for the job and we do need to promote a dedicated STFC manager. Chic Bates would appear to be the only obvious immediate choice. I am really distressed that this club has fallen to the depths of despair. Wycherley is hailed as the saviour of the club, but the truth is his 'Tight ship management' approach is going to kill us off sooner or later. Roland, please go away and take Quinn with you!!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 1, 2003 0:33:28 GMT 1
"Wycherley is hailed as the saviour of the club, but the truth is his 'Tight ship management' approach is going to kill us off sooner or later. Roland, please go away and take Quinn with you!!"
Without RW there would be no STFC. A comedian in your spare time then!
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 1, 2003 0:33:47 GMT 1
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Post by x emz x on Dec 1, 2003 0:35:26 GMT 1
oh my god!!
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Post by x emz x on Dec 1, 2003 0:36:33 GMT 1
ure right there ppp!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2003 0:38:50 GMT 1
How exactly would Chic Bates do a better job and is there anyone who can tell me what exactly he's added to the club since returning in the summer?
Howie has been very solid during his time with STFC. Yes he has made a couple of errors, but in comparison with Dunbavin he has brought some much needed confidence in terms of his ability on crossing, distribution and a keeper who clearly communicates with his defence.
With regards to JQ's treatment of Dunbavin, Murray, Drysdale and Jagielka.
Who apart from Jagielka has gone on to prove their worth? Dunbavin has only had offers from Burscough despite Quinn telling the press he's should be playing first team football while neither Drysdale and Murray have impressed in any means during their loan periods. Granted the Jagielka story beggars belief and perhaps JQ has missed out something there...
I'm still backing the manager. He's not doing a perfect job at the moment but we're still in contention.
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Post by Riversevern on Dec 1, 2003 0:39:29 GMT 1
Without RW there would be no STFC??. so if he decided to pack up and leave tommorow this club would fall apart, some how i dont think so.
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Post by x emz x on Dec 1, 2003 0:41:52 GMT 1
Without RW there would be no STFC??. so if he decided to pack up and leave tommorow this club would fall apart, some how i dont think so. maybe not but there wouldnt b a club for him 2 pack up n leave from if it wasnt for him in the past
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 1, 2003 0:43:48 GMT 1
Words stolen out of my mouth. Thank you Ema
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Post by Riversevern on Dec 1, 2003 0:53:59 GMT 1
Ok note down on this thread what RW has done since coming to this club.
RW STFC Record...
Relegation - 2nd - 3rd - Conf
Transfer Money Spent - Around 300,000
Managers in /out
Jake King 1997-1999 Sacked for 2 poor league positions and current league position in 99/00
Kevin Ratcliffe - 1999-2003 Resigned for obvious reasons, season before missed out on play offs and lifted town to midtable in 00/01
Jimmy Quinn - 2003 - Brought in to bring town back to Div 3 Opinion: Jurys still out
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Post by Blues in Crewe on Dec 1, 2003 0:57:30 GMT 1
And he also paid off the debts when all the cheques bounced thanks to Mr Bailey
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 1:06:27 GMT 1
We need a manager who is Shrewsbury through and through to get this club back where it belongs, in the football league. Quinn's approach is not going to achieve this. I am now convinced that he is not the right man for the job and we do need to promote a dedicated STFC manager. Chic Bates would appear to be the only obvious immediate choice. surely sir, you are having a laugh we need a consistnet improvement to what we have, nothing more, nothing less will do!
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Post by TOWN2001 on Dec 1, 2003 1:20:35 GMT 1
No STFC without Roland??? Do you really want to support a club in the Doc Martens or Unibond league? cos that's we're we're heading!
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Post by Blues in Crewe on Dec 1, 2003 1:31:24 GMT 1
'Do you really want to support a club in the Doc Martens or Unibond league? cos that's we're we're heading!'
oh forever the optimist
Do you want to see the club in a similar position to Exeter? Can you honestly see any millionaire popping up to finance the club if RW did go?
personally as long as I have my club in business to support, I'll support them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2003 1:43:55 GMT 1
Despite my previous comments I do believe that a football club has to be a success on the pitch as well as off it - there is no doubting that RW has provided financial prudence while at the helm of the club.
However if he fails to deliver promotion back into the league soon then I have little doubt that the fans will expect his resignation from his position.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 1:45:12 GMT 1
Despite my previous comments I do believe that a football club has to be a success on the pitch as well as off it - there is no doubting that RW has provided financial prudence while at the helm of the club. However if he fails to deliver promotion back into the league soon then I have little doubt that the fans will expect his resignation from his position. and then what?
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Post by TOWN2001 on Dec 1, 2003 1:46:50 GMT 1
Congratulations, most admirable. Here's to your future Saturday afternoons spent in rusty, leaking corrugated sheet stands for the salubrius price of £12+. Sad.
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Post by Blues in Crewe on Dec 1, 2003 1:46:58 GMT 1
by then i hope to have won the lottery ;D
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 1:57:56 GMT 1
Congratulations, most admirable. Here's to your future Saturday afternoons spent in rusty, leaking corrugated sheet stands for the salubrius price of £12+. Sad. do you mean salubrious? www.dictionary.com has that down as: "Conducive or favorable to health or well-being" I wish it was! It is all very well having a rant at the team or tactics in a particular game, but if you want wholesale changes then at least give us some options. Go on, which idiot would waste their money on STFC? Find us a saviour! They don't exist, it is a dream very few clubs experience. I remember hundreds of fans outside the directors box shouting "Chic bates out" - now he's supposed to be some sort of deliverer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2003 1:59:50 GMT 1
I don't know TBH - but surely you agree that a successful football club is successful on the pitch as well as off it? As RW and co would have had the say on who gets the managers job then surely, sooner or later they would have to take responsibility for not picking the right man for the job?
Believe me I hope RW is celebrating come May for a promotion for the Town - hopefully this discussion will all be hypothetical then :-)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 2:17:19 GMT 1
it is a tough one ant, we have seen our club fall lower and lower and eventually even our league status went
but the fact remains if Roland was not at the club then we could have gone under, in fact, would have gone under at that time
Also, look at exeter / york / oldham etc etc, now most of them appear to have got away with it but we have have been run well. Not only that we have an excellent academy system. If it wasn't for banks and his cronies we'd have a great new ground as well
I don't think Roland is God's gift to football, far from it, he has presided over our worst position for 50 years, and that makes me very angry, but the bottom line is who else could we have?
Until you and your 'brothers' go and earn some serious cash we are in this mess! People keep whispering about knowing someone with loads of money who wants to buy into the club but it's all make believe and hearsay
I don't know what to think of roland anymore, part of me wants to thank him and part of me wants to shoot him (in a non-fatal way)
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Post by Blues in Crewe on Dec 1, 2003 2:40:19 GMT 1
Anyway back to topic I believe Jimmy was was selected as the best available guy for the job ok so it is 'his' team now (ironed out the ratcliffisms) and they are simply not performing to their potential but that is at the moment a team/managerial issue and while I maybe dont agree with all Quinns decisions I dont have all the information or solutions and I sure wouldn't want to do the job (I did before i did a project at college on football management)
yeah ok many thought we'd walk the league but realistically at the start of the season i would have been happy to guarantee we'd be in the league position that we are in today (93/94 who would of expected us to win the league based on our standing at this point of the season) so the performances havent been good and away form speaks for itself but then we pull off results like Hereford and all seams rosier again
fickle us football fans eh and like a good moan but we need to be getting behind the team not condeming them to relegation after a bad game.
Oh i'm an optimist by the way
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 1, 2003 12:12:44 GMT 1
My only concern with JQ is whether he is able to motivate his players to perform to the levels that we know they are capable of (such as Hereford at home and G&N away) each and every week. I'm also unsure as to whether he knows what his best 11 is and (although I could be wrong here) I'm sure we have seen a fair few changes to the first 11 throughout the last few weeks...I appreciate some have them have been forced through injury but I'm still not 100% he knows what his best team is...
And from what I understand some of his selections and his changes through substitutions are also a little perplexing...
But we are only now approaching the end of the first half of the season, we are well placed in sixth, there is still plenty of time for improvement, there is still plenty of time for us to move further up the table and (most important for me) there are performances this season that we can look to for reasons to be optimistic!! Its whether JQ can get the best out of them each week. Any talk of whether JQ is good enough or whether he should leave the club is premature in my opinion...plenty of time yet sports fans!!
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Post by Paul Williams on Dec 1, 2003 13:53:59 GMT 1
I cant believe you are already calling for Quinn's head- half way through the season and sixth in the league! If you cannot show more optimism Town 2001, then perhaps it's you that needs to resign, not the manager or chairman. When you have found a new club where you are certain promotion is a foregone conclusion then let me know- but I think it will take you a while!
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Post by Nick on Dec 1, 2003 14:03:06 GMT 1
Well said Paul. Last season we would have lost that game in a similar situation, that's improvement. Too many people have got their heads up where the sun don't shine. I believe we can get wins from the next 5 games, then we'll see where we are in the league. Still need another center half though.
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Post by Hampshire Supporter on Dec 1, 2003 14:40:58 GMT 1
Living down south I am only able to watch away games in my neck of the woods and the occasional home game. I unlike a lot of you good supporters do not give up every Saturday and a fair few midweek evenings to watch them.
I have seen the Woking, Aldershot, Gravesend,Stevenage games away and the Barnet at home. I think apart from the dire performace at Stevenage (although we did play them during their purple patch) there is enough to suggest we will be there or thereabouts come next April time. It is true to say that we are regarded as a big scalp and seemingly the opposition turn up their games for teams such as ours. Part of that is the arrogance of suggesting we came into the conference by default, Its all a big mistake and we will not be long visiting!
Even from my distance we cannot be already demanding the removal of the manager. What benefit would that have? Pay him off and Dave Cook and then have a process of selecting a new manager who would have his own ideas and players to bring in. This would presumably mean paying off contracts of unwanted players before new ones came in..
Not an option everyone!!
Keep the faith!
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Post by youll never score past city on Dec 1, 2003 17:25:55 GMT 1
you lot sound like us a few seasons back at chester we expected to walk the league but we had the terry smith thing and rushden and diamonds you will get out of this league but it will take a few years to sort yourselvces out like us now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2003 17:34:38 GMT 1
Cheers Chester but you had huge off the field problems when you got relegated. We're not that far off the pace at the mo.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 1, 2003 18:16:31 GMT 1
"People keep whispering about knowing someone with loads of money who wants to buy into the club but it's all make believe and hearsay"
Not at all TBH, that's not the case.
Unfortunately the truth of the matter is that the current board are not very receptive to new blood, particularly those far wealthier than them, it's a bit of a closed shop i'm afraid.
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Post by jkblue on Dec 1, 2003 18:27:10 GMT 1
I hope quinn is good enough but judging by the arrogant bunch of wasters he is putting out each week I am not too sure. Most of the players play as though they are too good to be in the conference. By play I refer to their attitudes when playing and not their performance. Not winning is one thing but to drop points in the manner we are is another, where is the passion Chic Bates talked of in pre-season? Shrewsbury fans are accused of arrogance when in fact more worryingly it is the players.
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