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Post by Steve Rogerson on May 15, 2005 19:47:29 GMT 1
It would cost nothing like as much to develop the existing stadium as it would to build a new stadium, so quoting the new build figure is pointless.
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Post by blueandamber on May 15, 2005 19:50:31 GMT 1
Can't go above 8,000 capacity at GM though, no extra revenue.
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Post by theriverside on May 15, 2005 19:50:46 GMT 1
Would still run into many millions though surely?
Plus there would still be the access problems and the safety certificate requirements to meet wouldn't there?
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Post by goindownthewylecop on May 15, 2005 19:55:01 GMT 1
Isn't the NM planned with ONE vehicular access road?
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Post by rob on May 15, 2005 19:56:43 GMT 1
I'd have thought you'd be looking at at least a couple of million per stand.
so say it would only cost £7-8mill to redevelop
£2.5 is available in grants.
I cant see where we would find the extra £5-5.5mill.
As already mentioned we'd have to build a new bridge, or maybe tunnel through the railway embankment (but i doubt thats possible) its just a non starter.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 15, 2005 19:58:02 GMT 1
If we had a helpful council in stead of one that is determind to put up any hurdle possible and squeeze as much money out of the club as possible then the NM would be up. Its been said before some Cllrs are revelling in the board v's fans situation that has happened over the NM, you wonder why the board won't answer questions or put a start date, simple they can't because Cllr Armstrong aided by Owen, Richey etc are lying in wait and will do all they can to put another spanner in the works, what they want is the board to use the surplus money that was to be put to work for the clubs future security to pay for The community pitches and other outstanding items.
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Post by blueandamber on May 15, 2005 20:32:57 GMT 1
Isn't the NM planned with ONE vehicular access road? With an emergency escape route, which is one more than at the GM. The 'one' road out of the ground goes in two directions and is a bypass so it will have faster moving traffic compared to the road going out of the current ground.
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Post by SY3 on May 15, 2005 20:38:47 GMT 1
I'd have thought you'd be looking at at least a couple of million per stand. so say it would only cost £7-8mill to redevelop £2.5 is available in grants. I cant see where we would find the extra £5-5.5mill. As already mentioned we'd have to build a new bridge, or maybe tunnel through the railway embankment (but i doubt thats possible) its just a non starter. Would it cost a couple of million to redevelop a stand? Has it ever been costed? Or is it the same people blindly backing the NM that say this? I recall JP giving me abuse on this very subject( as per this thread), must be 18 months ago now - things have moved nowhere since. But the people that believe NM is our championship dream are blinkered or daft, as time goes on its looking like a sack of s**te. It was recently made lower so it doesnt infringe on the views of a dozen houses on oteley road, why not just build it underground
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Post by blueandamber on May 15, 2005 20:43:37 GMT 1
I recall JP giving me abuse on this very subject( as per this thread), must be 18 months ago now - things have moved nowhere since. Only because it's so obvious to everyone bar a couple, that we can not survive at Gay Meadow because of: A That little river that floods alot. B Can't go above 8,000 capactiy C Minimal access D The wakeman school at one end E The train tracks behind the main stand F Money G The council ...... Of course we all want to stay at Gay Meadow, but to survive we have to move, yes it is taking a while, but hopefully in the end it will sort itself out.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 15, 2005 20:46:10 GMT 1
Would it cost a couple of million to redevelop a stand? Has it ever been costed? Or is it the same people blindly backing the NM that say this? I recall JP giving me abuse on this very subject( as per this thread), must be 18 months ago now - things have moved nowhere since. But the people that believe NM is our championship dream are blinkered or daft, as time goes on its looking like a sack of sh!te. It was recently made lower so it doesnt infringe on the views of a dozen houses on oteley road, why not just build it underground First of all you have to raise the ground so it would be above flood level, so that would require more than re-developing the odd stand or two, the last plan which is now useless and no longer has any baring on todays costs was inexcess of 6 million. add to that making it flood proof and no room for any other income than match day, you would probably arrive at the same price or more than the NM and no funding, so back to square one!
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Post by john on May 15, 2005 21:00:14 GMT 1
I recall JP giving me abuse on this very subject( as per this thread), must be 18 months ago now - things have moved nowhere since. Im a sucker for a "oh lets stay at GM sob story I just have to challenge it
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Post by SY3 on May 15, 2005 21:09:14 GMT 1
Glad to see the blinkers still fit
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Post by john on May 15, 2005 21:13:19 GMT 1
Im so pleased to see that your still talking bollox ;D
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Post by SY3 KRU on May 15, 2005 21:16:40 GMT 1
more bottles of coke comin JP's way next game.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2005 21:31:08 GMT 1
For the pitch to be playable for next seasson the grass has to be laid in June or July! Make of that what you will.
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Post by john on May 15, 2005 21:32:09 GMT 1
Thanks to the ip I know exactly know you are.
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Post by Guest on May 15, 2005 21:34:15 GMT 1
For the pitch to be playable for next seasson the grass has to be laid in June or July! Make of that what you will. Rubbish!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2005 21:36:06 GMT 1
Quote from a Town director
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 21:39:00 GMT 1
I have to agree with Steve Rodgerson, if the will was there to stay at Gay Meadow then we would be able to no probs, the argument for access is answered by the fact there is a very nice road that leads from underdale road upto the railway station, this could be extended at very little cost to provide an emergency access road to the stadium thus increasing the capacity.
The main stand could be extended backwards with the main road outside becoming a tunnel, additional facilities could then be provided including a large usable function room and a decent bar and club shop, the rest of the ground could stay as it is but with the addition of seats. and perhaps an upgrade to the toilets wouldn't go amiss, as for funding this re development, how about selling the car park area to some lesuire company or build some riverside flats.
The only people with blinkers on are those that think the New Meadow is the answer to all our dreams, its not and i foresee major problems finacially in the future and a heartless, souless cr@ppy little stadium to watch my football team in.
SAVE THE GAY MEADOW NOW!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 15, 2005 21:40:48 GMT 1
Quote from a Town director True for the cheaper option, otherwise it can be grown elsewhere and brought in say early summer next year and with tlc it would be fine, just more money
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Post by Guest on May 15, 2005 21:43:24 GMT 1
as for funding this re development, how about selling the car park area to some lesuire company or build some riverside flats. A little matter of the Covenant!
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Post by Guest on May 15, 2005 21:46:48 GMT 1
True for the cheaper option, otherwise it can be grown elsewhere and brought in say early summer next year and with tlc it would be fine, just more money The normal practice with new football stadiums as to lay the pitch first and build around it is completely impractical.
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 21:48:10 GMT 1
Err the council have already lifted the covenant and that has set a precident, although the option to sell to a lesuire developer would in fact comply with the covenant.
And if thats not enough, the covenant only applies to the pitch and that fact has come from the big man himself, so developing the car park is a viable option!
NEXT....
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Post by Guest on May 15, 2005 21:50:20 GMT 1
No, they have agreed to transfer the covenant to the New Meadow site. If we were not moving it would be an issue that would need to be resolved and it would be very difficult to resolve too!
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 21:52:37 GMT 1
No, the covenant only applies to the pitch area, so developing the carpark is a viable option.
Unless the directors and supporters reps have been feeding us a load of crap, then the above is true.
NEXT...
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Post by Guest on May 15, 2005 21:54:50 GMT 1
You have been poorly informed.
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 21:56:34 GMT 1
Well inform me then...guesty, it has been stated many a time that the pitch is the only area of land that is governed by the covenant, are you calling KS a liar?
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 22:25:23 GMT 1
Lets face it, the reason Gay Meadow isnt being redeveloped is down to cash, the New Meadow will provide nothing that a redveloped Gay Meadow couldnt provide, if the cash was there would we all still be clamouring for the move out of the town centre - i doubt it!
So the question to ask is could the money be raised with a bit of will and the answer has to be a resounding yes, the only thing is the will isnt there and that can only be to the detriment of every supporter os Shrewsbury Town Football Club and to the town centre as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2005 22:33:49 GMT 1
The NM is going to happen. The arguments against staying at the current site (while dissapointing because, let's face it, we'd all love to stay) have been exhausted over and over again).
Moan about it all you like but I'd prefer you put your energies into helping the NM be a success rather than looking to an alternative which is not going to occur.
You're evidently a very clever bloke and an aspiring entrepreneur, just the kind of person the Trust needs to help the club make a success out of the move.
Be against the move all you like but it's going to happen, and the more of us that pull together to make the most out of it then the more out of it we will all get.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on May 15, 2005 22:40:02 GMT 1
Be against the move all you like but it's going to happen, and the more of us that pull together to make the most out of it then the more out of it we will all get. Nothing is ever inevitable, Ant. If supporters pull together to stop this lunacy, we can still stop it. The trouble is too many fans have bought the board's bulls**t that we have to move.
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