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Post by AFCBally on Apr 12, 2005 12:12:25 GMT 1
not good enough!!! I order the clique commander to have him banned for speaking out of line
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Post by petetheloon on Apr 12, 2005 12:13:21 GMT 1
;D
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Post by profPATpending on Apr 12, 2005 13:10:15 GMT 1
Bally you asked some simple questions, and got shyte back from some pathetic.
heres my 2 pence worth.
Players Attitude UP, spreading to fans,
Results indiferent, same for performances,
Midtable at best next season IMO.
Stands back to be flamed.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 12, 2005 13:40:24 GMT 1
As for you TBH i personally know some Shrews fans who won't post on this board due to the reaction they may get, whether you believe that or not it is a fact? The point is that say something and back it up and generally you get respect say something stupid and people will break it apart bit by bit There are a lot fo strong minded people on here, and there are some very diverse opinions over a variety of issues This season's top 3 would be 1) Jimmy Quinn 2) Ryan Lowe 3) The New Meadow Everyone has argued different points until they are blue in the face and disagreed continuously for months. For every person slating you there is someone agreeing with you People who start to post generally quite enjoy it, because they are the ones who can defend the opinions they have. I have argued with Carter about Ryan Lowe and Dinasaurs in the last month, in total disagreement on both issues, but we're both "in the clique" apparently and agree on everything
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Post by Fact Finder on Apr 12, 2005 13:46:49 GMT 1
Yes it does If Vaughan's business interests take a turnf or the worst then chester are in trouble If Vaughan leaves Chester are in trouble And yes, Chelsea could all come crashing down Spending money that comes from outside the "core" income a football club is not sustainable. That is why Blackburn won the title once and Wolves only managed a season int he premiership. A sugar daddy will only get you so far. A decent youth system, and good manager and prudent finances will keep you ate a given level in the long term That is why I want Gary Peters at Shrewsbury with a decent training centre at the New meadow Fair comment. But what you fail to realise is that Stephen Vaughan is in this for the medium term and we have also annouced strategic partnerships with the Thai FA and a local Premiership club these steps alone give our club a more stable footing and from this we will push on. Is it wrong to have ambition ?or do you want to stagnate ? or do you see your club as a lower league club forever and ever. I share our chairmans passion that we can acheive a further promotion next season while you lot seem content with mid table obscurity or worse. Dont knock ambition until you have tried it.
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Post by TBH nli on Apr 12, 2005 14:08:53 GMT 1
Dont knock ambition until you have tried it. A good manager with a track record of bringing young players through, a developed youth academy and good training facilities, with a new ground capable of hosting championship matches. That IS ambition Paying Michael Branch over 2 grand a week is madness -and that is just my opinion And what is ambition? Do I see Shrewsbury as a lwoer league club forever? Well, if I could guarantee football league status and financial security for Shrewsbury Town then I would take it. That is ambition, just to survive. Look at York, look at Exeter, look at Carlisle, look at Hereford and be grateful. Look at all the clubs in financial turmoil, from Cambridge to Wrexham, Bury to Cardiff and be grateful. Football in the UK has changed and to survive is to be a success. Beyond that look at Yeovil, Rotherham, Crewe and other clubs who are genuinely punching above their weight. what do / did they share? A good manager with a track record of bringing through younger players, reasonable commercial activities and decent training facilities You put GP in the new meadow with his scouting bringing people into our academy and I think you have a very very interesting situation for potential success, for developing good young players, securing our financial position and rising up the league. The good news is that with that set up we could change the chairman and nothing else need to change, because it is sustainable, and not reliant on anyone;s money or political will.
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Post by Carter on Apr 12, 2005 14:17:39 GMT 1
Good post TBH!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 12, 2005 14:53:29 GMT 1
I can appreciate what yer saying Bally, I didn't have a clue about Peter's record until this thread were started...but...
Gary Peters is like a bit of fresh air...and what's happening on the pitch is only half the story as far as I'm concerned. He's what this club needs, someone who is focused, open, knowledgeable and understands the game today. If I had my way he'd be manager, commercial manager, chief executive, club administrator...the lot. In my humble opinion this club needs a good kick in the arse...needs to play catch up. I hope Peters is the fella for the job, I think he is...along with the Supporters Trust he's got the place buzzing again...
By the by, excellent last post from TBH there...
Telford our kid, there isn't a vast amount (if any) pretty football played in this division so credit where credits due to Macc Town...I would think they're as easy on the eye as most in this division...
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Post by Fact Finder on Apr 12, 2005 15:52:12 GMT 1
A good manager with a track record of bringing young players through, a developed youth academy and good training facilities, with a new ground capable of hosting championship matches. That IS ambition Paying Michael Branch over 2 grand a week is madness -and that is just my opinion And what is ambition? Do I see Shrewsbury as a lwoer league club forever? Well, if I could guarantee football league status and financial security for Shrewsbury Town then I would take it. That is ambition, just to survive. Look at York, look at Exeter, look at Carlisle, look at Hereford and be grateful. Look at all the clubs in financial turmoil, from Cambridge to Wrexham, Bury to Cardiff and be grateful. Football in the UK has changed and to survive is to be a success. Beyond that look at Yeovil, Rotherham, Crewe and other clubs who are genuinely punching above their weight. what do / did they share? A good manager with a track record of bringing through younger players, reasonable commercial activities and decent training facilities You put GP in the new meadow with his scouting bringing people into our academy and I think you have a very very interesting situation for potential success, for developing good young players, securing our financial position and rising up the league. The good news is that with that set up we could change the chairman and nothing else need to change, because it is sustainable, and not reliant on anyone;s money or political will. Wrong, wrong, wrong !! Ambition is a strong desire for success, a goal, to acheive something. When you started your life after school did you want a career that you were successful in or one that gave you tedium but was there for you year in year out? It is easy to pick holes in each others opinions, you use the example of Michael Branch but you fail to mention how much you pay Darby or Rodgers yet Branch has scored more goals than either of them possibly more than the two of them added together. You say that Yeovil are puching above their weight, why? Rotherham have a good manager, but they have just been relegated. And Gary Peters has a good track record, but did he not take Exeter into the Conference? When will this New Meadow be built when will you see this pipedream? When will Gary Peters commit to a new contract,will he be offered one? Football in the UK has changed BUT there still has to be succesful teams. We just want to be one of them, nothing wrong with that. I just cannot beleive that you don't.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 12, 2005 16:03:01 GMT 1
at no stage have I said I don;t want us to be successful, but also let us be realistic and judge real success
Chester City and Shrewbsury Town have both been successful this eason. Why is that?
Because we aren't Cambridge.
But you would be without Vaughan's money...
Which would you want to base your future on?
1) New ground, manager with record of bringing through younger players, new training facilities, good scouting network linked to a nationally acclaimed football academy and increased relationship with fans via supporters groups
Or
2) an unclear working relationship with the FA of a third world country with no football success of note
AND a potential tie up and working relationship with a premiership club, that may or may not amount to anything
I believe option 1 gives Shrewsbury Town the chance of real long term success, and even if it doesn;t I believe it lays the foundations of our future existance
The hot air coming out of Chester in the last couple of months is both worrying and laughable. You are losing £60k a month according to press reports.
What good is an Everton youngster on loan if you cannot pay your own wages? And who is going to pay them if and when Vaughan leaves?
Roland Wycherly has long said he is preparing this football club to play championship football. Is that a pipe dream? Time will tell. Certainly we went down before things looked up again, but I will give them one thing, what they are trying to build at our football club will outlast them and will be a secure foundation
If Everton change their manager and the Thai FA change their chairman you could be left with nothing but empty promises.
You show me a football club that has been successful by having a tie up with a bigger club and I may think it is a better idea. But i can show you Yeovil and say we want to emulate that. I can show you Crewe and say we want to emulate that. And Rotherham being relegated fromt he championship in not a failure, it is a miracle that they ever got to that level.
Our goal is the best for Shrewsbury Town, and that is not based on paper talk, hot air, gossip, constant pointless transfer speculation and losing £700,000 a year
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