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Post by Yonkooo on Dec 12, 2004 12:30:06 GMT 1
For the second time this season we have had a penalty retaken against us. It's obvious that this keeps happening because Howie gained a reputation for coming off his line in the play-off final. There is no doubt that officials are looking at Howie more closely than other goalkeepers. This has got to the point of discrimination. Opposition goalkeepers will move off their line when we take penalties against them. It is inevitable. The difference is officials will let them get away with it. I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if this happens again. Just wondering if there is anything the club can do to stop officials doing this or will the FA allow them to continue to punish us for the play-off final?
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Post by bristol loggerheads on Dec 12, 2004 12:35:35 GMT 1
The Aldershot keeper was off his line for the penalty that Luke missed. I bet he hasn't been scrutinised since.
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Post by oh deary me on Dec 12, 2004 12:42:03 GMT 1
For the second time this season we have had a penalty retaken against us. It's obvious that this keeps happening because Howie gained a reputation for coming off his line in the play-off final. There is no doubt that officials are looking at Howie more closely than other goalkeepers. This has got to the point of discrimination. Opposition goalkeepers will move off their line when we take penalties against them. It is inevitable. The difference is officials will let them get away with it. I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if this happens again. Just wondering if there is anything the club can do to stop officials doing this or will the FA allow them to continue to punish us for the play-off final? poop happens dont it? its just not right for a keeper to save pennos! |
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Post by rob on Dec 12, 2004 12:59:39 GMT 1
just wonder if Branch would have had to take it again wif he'd scored first time around???
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Post by tom_leather on Dec 12, 2004 13:04:20 GMT 1
just wonder if Branch would have had to take it again wif he'd scored first time around??? when i did my referees course they told us that if it is the defending team who has infringed/broken rule, and they score then don't retake, and vice versa |
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 12, 2004 13:16:46 GMT 1
was talking about this in the pub last night and came to the conclusion it's the non-league papers fault.
them running the scandalous 'cheats' headline after the final has made officials look at scott in a different way,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 13:49:42 GMT 1
At least 50% of keepers move forward off their line when a pen is taken.
Refs need to be sensible about it all.
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Post by Yonkooo on Dec 12, 2004 14:14:02 GMT 1
Ian, you've got it spot on there about the non-league paper. There was (and still could be) a defamation action against this rag. I'm training to be a journalist and believe me that headline was clearly defamatory, since it tended to disparage Howie in his profession.
I can honestly say I would not have published an article like that, and if I had I would have expected legal action.
It's one thing to criticise a player, quite another to call him a cheat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 14:24:01 GMT 1
Rules are rules i'm afraid. If Howie doesn't want to be penalised then he should stay on his line till the ball is hit. He probably is getting vicimised a bit but can anything be done about it? Nope.
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Post by aleix on Dec 12, 2004 14:30:01 GMT 1
Did anyone see Dean Kiely's peno save from Andy Johnson the other day? That was blatant obvious and it was allowed. Why was that allowed and not ours? Because Kiely is a Prem keeper and we're lower league? Same rules for everyone please!
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Post by pawlo on Dec 12, 2004 14:36:13 GMT 1
Did anyone see Dean Kiely's peno save from Andy Johnson the other day? That was blatant obvious and it was allowed. Why was that allowed and not ours? Because Kiely is a Prem keeper and we're lower league? Same rules for everyone please! I would like to think that was true, just so i could have a go at premier clubs, but i guess its more down to human nature. Yes rules are rules, but rules are interpreted by different people in different ways. The better refs tend not to be padantic and picky, using rules to enhance the spirit of the game, rather than using them to run it. How often do we see the ball moved foreward 10 yards when an opposition player mouths off at the ref? Not as often as players mouth off at the ref! I think its a good idea to count ourselves lucky that scott got away with moving off his line/before ball kicked in the play offs, rather than bemoaning the fact he got picked up for it yesterday. |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 12, 2004 15:55:59 GMT 1
goalkeepers will always come off their line. It's not where they end up, it's where theystart when the ball is kicked.
Any goalie diving - as Peters said - will come off their line because they push off with the balls of their feet.
I'd sooner Howie getting pulled up on this occassion than during the play-off final.
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 12, 2004 16:14:08 GMT 1
It's Howie paying the 'penalty' (sorry about the pun) for being honest in the non-league paper. I wrote and said this to them at the time when the article was published. Saw it on the morning of the open top tour and have not brought a non-league since. Yes I'm sure the headline was illegal and had we been a premier club there would have been ructions.
Can anyone name me a goaly who has never ever stepped off the line?
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Post by Barthez2104 on Dec 12, 2004 19:07:44 GMT 1
Having been at many Town games and watched many on TV, i can honestly say that i believe Howie is being "picked out for special scrutinisation". Of the many penalties seen can somebody name me a keeper who does not move before the ball is kicked as i have yet to see one!!  |
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Post by GC on Dec 12, 2004 19:24:22 GMT 1
"just wonder if Branch would have had to take it again wif he'd scored first time around "
of course he wouldnt have, a ref woul d have then awarded the advatage to the striker. Learn the rules.
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Post by bristol loggerheads on Dec 12, 2004 19:28:23 GMT 1
Did the ref give it or the assistant?
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Post by Salop_Ian on Dec 12, 2004 19:31:27 GMT 1
At Sc***horpe when Walton conceded the penalty the referee could be clearly seen telling Howie that he was to stay on his line.
My concern is that it's now getting to the point where Howie will not be given the benefit of any doubt. If he saves a penalty it is judged that this is because he came off his line.
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