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Post by Pilch on Jun 20, 2019 21:09:06 GMT 1
I'm so annoyed with var punishing the keeper for basically making great saves
we might still be in the conference if var was in force v aldershot and our hero Howie would have been sent off after the 1st retake what can be done ?
maybe a line either side of the goal line, perhaps a foot either side in which the keeper can move ?
its all a bit harsh when a keeper gets booked and the save ruled out for the sake of 1 inch when players take throw ins 20 yards further up from where they should
the first shoot out decider in the knock out stage is going to be carnage unless they do something
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Post by Namur on Jun 20, 2019 21:27:46 GMT 1
Formula 1 style meddling for the sake of it.
What’s wrong with using the ref & linesman’s judgement on this one? The keeper is always going to come off the line to a slight extent. it’s natural.
Like you say, penalty shootouts have the potential to be carnage.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 20, 2019 21:35:16 GMT 1
Formula 1 style meddling for the sake of it. What’s wrong with using the ref & linesman’s judgement on this one? The keeper is always going to come off the line to a slight extent. it’s natural. Like you say, penalty shootouts have the potential to be carnage. I reckon they will backtrack and announce no var for shootouts
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 20, 2019 21:44:39 GMT 1
We all know it's been basically the same rule for years now but the FIFA initiative on this will put more pressure on match officials to try and enforce it to the rule. Some penalties might go to last man on the pitch being in goal and I would dread penalty shootouts as they could last a lifetime.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 22:17:24 GMT 1
this was discused by the commenators one of whom is a keeper and she felt stepping forward slightly gave you no advantage and if anything threw your weight in the wrong direction and she was making the coment that keepers will now have to change how they respond and how they choached, suprisingly she did not feel it was a disadvantage for the keeper.one thing players and keeper will need to work on is coping with pressuer as it often takes three minutes for the VAR and ref to reach a decision. refs will be all over this next season as they will with hand balls.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 21, 2019 7:53:18 GMT 1
We can't even get goal-line technology at our level yet and I can imagine that VAR will take at least a decade to filter down, so how can there ever be a fair system further down the pyramid?
VAR is all about protecting money for the clubs at the top and quite frankly IMO a waste of effin' time. It also makes a mockery of so called 'top officials' being in charge of premiership games. If they are good enough to officiate at Championship and below, why do they need all the extra tech when they move up to the top flight?
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Post by salop999 on Jun 21, 2019 8:15:54 GMT 1
I'm so annoyed with var punishing the keeper for basically making great saves we might still be in the conference if var was in force v aldershot and our hero Howie would have been sent off after the 1st retake what can be done ? maybe a line either side of the goal line, perhaps a foot either side in which the keeper can move ? its all a bit harsh when a keeper gets booked and the save ruled out for the sake of 1 inch when players take throw ins 20 yards further up from where they should the first shoot out decider in the knock out stage is going to be carnage unless they do something
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Post by peterjones1 on Jun 21, 2019 8:43:42 GMT 1
The intention behind the rule is fine. Ultimately (as much as it helped us at Stoke) goalkeepers shouldn't be allowed to move in some cases several yards off their line to narrow the angle for a penalty. However their execution of it, as ever, is needlessly convoluted. Make it simple. Keeper can't have both feet ahead of the goal line at a penalty. It's then up to them how they interpret that. They can keep one foot on the line and the other in front, they can stay on the line, they can just start off behind the line so they can still spring forwards...up to them. As it stands, like PILCH says, it will be an absolute mess.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 21, 2019 9:52:23 GMT 1
Formula 1 style meddling for the sake of it. What’s wrong with using the ref & linesman’s judgement on this one? The keeper is always going to come off the line to a slight extent. it’s natural. Like you say, penalty shootouts have the potential to be carnage. Think you’ll find they soon stop cheating when they keep getting retaken. Dont agree with the rule or VAR BUT it’s quite simple Keep one foot on the line and you’ll be OK...gives more advantage to the penalty taker but maybe that should be the case as. You say it’s natural and they’re always going to come off the line a bit. It’s the same as defenders saying it’s natural to lift your arms when jumping. They soon stopped doing that ‘natural position’ and all that. I can understand the Golie union being upset but the advantage goes in favour of the keeper if you allow them off the line before it’s taken. It’s a black and white rule now.
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Post by salop999 on Jun 21, 2019 12:12:51 GMT 1
The Premier league have confirmed VAR won't be used with regard to goal keeping encroachment regarding penalties.
It will be left to the officials on the field to spot it.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2019 12:25:02 GMT 1
Formula 1 style meddling for the sake of it. What’s wrong with using the ref & linesman’s judgement on this one? The keeper is always going to come off the line to a slight extent. it’s natural. Like you say, penalty shootouts have the potential to be carnage. Think you’ll find they soon stop cheating when they keep getting retaken. Dont agree with the rule or VAR BUT it’s quite simple Keep one foot on the line and you’ll be OK...gives more advantage to the penalty taker but maybe that should be the case as. You say it’s natural and they’re always going to come off the line a bit. It’s the same as defenders saying it’s natural to lift your arms when jumping. They soon stopped doing that ‘natural position’ and all that. I can understand the Golie union being upset but the advantage goes in favour of the keeper if you allow them off the line before it’s taken. It’s a black and white rule now. cheating ? how about we start booking players who are offside, they are obviously trying to gain an advantage there are plenty of black and white rules that are broken and ignored throw ins being taken many yards away from where they should be keepers holding the ball for far far longer than 6 seconds players encroaching at free kicks even though a line has been painted but hey, lets stop play and punish the keeper for being 1 inch ahead of where they should be, even if your opponents hits the post and had 3 players inside the box perhaps they could pull a keeper up too if they dare to bounce the ball as releasing the ball and picking it up against is against the rules
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 21, 2019 17:23:17 GMT 1
Think you’ll find they soon stop cheating when they keep getting retaken. Dont agree with the rule or VAR BUT it’s quite simple Keep one foot on the line and you’ll be OK...gives more advantage to the penalty taker but maybe that should be the case as. You say it’s natural and they’re always going to come off the line a bit. It’s the same as defenders saying it’s natural to lift your arms when jumping. They soon stopped doing that ‘natural position’ and all that. I can understand the Golie union being upset but the advantage goes in favour of the keeper if you allow them off the line before it’s taken. It’s a black and white rule now. cheating ? how about we start booking players who are offside, they are obviously trying to gain an advantage there are plenty of black and white rules that are broken and ignored throw ins being taken many yards away from where they should be keepers holding the ball for far far longer than 6 seconds players encroaching at free kicks even though a line has been painted but hey, lets stop play and punish the keeper for being 1 inch ahead of where they should be, even if your opponents hits the post and had 3 players inside the box perhaps they could pull a keeper up too if they dare to bounce the ball as releasing the ball and picking it up against is against the rules Your right about cheating we'll say gaining an unfair advantage.....plenty of examples of refs ignoring rules but this is a change of rule and the powers that be have obviously tried to remove the advantages for the keeper and having one foot on the line is either they did or didn't .... Keepers will adapt after a bit. Like I said I don't like the rule or VAR but expect them to check now it's been made
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