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Post by tvor on Oct 9, 2019 14:31:02 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 17:30:36 GMT 1
Time to sell the ground for a tidy profit and move elsewhere 😉
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Post by barrynic on Oct 9, 2019 17:44:46 GMT 1
....indeed with a fit for purpose Stadium...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 18:42:04 GMT 1
I know I’m getting old and curmudgeonly but really . Just read a pile of s**te from the developers or agents or whatever they like to call themselves relating to this proposed development . Who teaches them to come out with such bilge . Does anyone really believe they give a toss about the local community and the benefits we lucky people will get to enjoy when they throw up some sort of estate . Doubt if they do to be honest but they never fail to engage in insulting our intelligence . The number of new homes which are earmarked to be built plus those in the pipeline as above absolutely amaze me . Where are all the jobs or are they for commuters to pile onto our already overcrowded road system . Don’t bother talking about our train service . Where are the schools and medical practices . As far as our hospital is concerned forget it . We just haven’t got the staff to cope , even now our doctors and nurses are on their uppers , completely exhausted . Shifnal is a prime example of what we can expect and it’s bloody frightening. What are our council doing to allow this to happen . I fear the worst for this Town.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 9, 2019 18:49:42 GMT 1
Time to sell the ground for a tidy profit and move elsewhere 😉 Shropshire Council will be looking for something to go on the Riverside Shopping Centre site. We can but hope.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 9, 2019 20:12:07 GMT 1
I know I’m getting old and curmudgeonly but really . Just read a pile of s**te from the developers or agents or whatever they like to call themselves relating to this proposed development . Who teaches them to come out with such bilge . Does anyone really believe they give a toss about the local community and the benefits we lucky people will get to enjoy when they throw up some sort of estate . Doubt if they do to be honest but they never fail to engage in insulting our intelligence . The number of new homes which are earmarked to be built plus those in the pipeline as above absolutely amaze me . Where are all the jobs or are they for commuters to pile onto our already overcrowded road system . Don’t bother talking about our train service . Where are the schools and medical practices . As far as our hospital is concerned forget it . We just haven’t got the staff to cope , even now our doctors and nurses are on their uppers , completely exhausted . Shifnal is a prime example of what we can expect and it’s bloody frightening. What are our council doing to allow this to happen . I fear the worst for this Town. For my sins I’m one of the people involved in planning Shrewsbury’s future - and your reactions to the development are totally understandable. There is a lot of housing going up in Shrewsbury but it’s focused in a number of areas such as Oteley Road, Welshpool Road, and the old barracks site in Copthorne. Overall the amount of homes built in the Town per year is actually similar to most years but it maybe feels like more as they are concentrated in specific areas The reasoning behind that is that new infrastructure can then be planned, and recently the Council approved two new schools in Shrewsbury and the CCG are also planning new surgeries and around £300 million will be invested in the RHS now Future Fit appears to have ministerial approval. The idea behind this infrastructure is to encourage new business to the town and that is starting to happen. Thieves Lane is getting a new Jaguar LandRover sales room, petrol station and related retail outlets, and the business park on Wenlock Road is expanding - so private investment is coming into the town. One of our big issues in Shropshire is that the population is aging and quickly. Now only 60% of Shropshire’s population is of working age and that’s predicted to be less than 50% in ten years, and unless we help younger people get homes in Shropshire were going to have difficulty paying for, and caring for the older population. New house building is needed if we are going to try and square that circle
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 9, 2019 20:32:16 GMT 1
Key for me is to make development quality, not a whole load of samey Wimpy jobs, tons of fast food outlets and Costas.
Drive around Telford and see the slums they have put up in Lawley and the more fitting stuff in Aquaduct.
Shropshire needs to be wary of competing too much with Telford and to learn from their mistakes. Not just going for quick and easy development to make up for revenue loss from Ironbridge power station.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 9, 2019 22:19:36 GMT 1
People can say what they want about Telford, me included, but as a town it puts Shrewsbury to shame when it comes to attracting business. This itself brings money to the town with housing etc etc, and the infrastructure is second to none compared to alot of places. The housing is affordable and they have manufacturing jobs to create a demographic that is sustainable. Shrewsbury will disappear up it's own backside if they don't get a grasp on attracting proper business that creates jobs where people can earn a living wage. The place is in a time warp when it comes to sustainability, and the people making the decisions will be long gone when the average age is so high the health system will be overwhelmed, and house prices will drive out local people. I love Shrewsbury and enjoy going there but it's not real and it won't last unless they attract industry, trouble is I don't think they really want to, NIMBY comes to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 23:59:45 GMT 1
I know I’m getting old and curmudgeonly but really . Just read a pile of s**te from the developers or agents or whatever they like to call themselves relating to this proposed development . Who teaches them to come out with such bilge . Does anyone really believe they give a toss about the local community and the benefits we lucky people will get to enjoy when they throw up some sort of estate . Doubt if they do to be honest but they never fail to engage in insulting our intelligence . The number of new homes which are earmarked to be built plus those in the pipeline as above absolutely amaze me . Where are all the jobs or are they for commuters to pile onto our already overcrowded road system . Don’t bother talking about our train service . Where are the schools and medical practices . As far as our hospital is concerned forget it . We just haven’t got the staff to cope , even now our doctors and nurses are on their uppers , completely exhausted . Shifnal is a prime example of what we can expect and it’s bloody frightening. What are our council doing to allow this to happen . I fear the worst for this Town. For my sins I’m one of the people involved in planning Shrewsbury’s future - and your reactions to the development are totally understandable. There is a lot of housing going up in Shrewsbury but it’s focused in a number of areas such as Oteley Road, Welshpool Road, and the old barracks site in Copthorne. Overall the amount of homes built in the Town per year is actually similar to most years but it maybe feels like more as they are concentrated in specific areas The reasoning behind that is that new infrastructure can then be planned, and recently the Council approved two new schools in Shrewsbury and the CCG are also planning new surgeries and around £300 million will be invested in the RHS now Future Fit appears to have ministerial approval. The idea behind this infrastructure is to encourage new business to the town and that is starting to happen. Thieves Lane is getting a new Jaguar LandRover sales room, petrol station and related retail outlets, and the business park on Wenlock Road is expanding - so private investment is coming into the town. One of our big issues in Shropshire is that the population is aging and quickly. Now only 60% of Shropshire’s population is of working age and that’s predicted to be less than 50% in ten years, and unless we help younger people get homes in Shropshire were going to have difficulty paying for, and caring for the older population. New house building is needed if we are going to try and square that circle Thank you for this response , much appreciated . I fully understand that we need to help younger people get homes but can you honestly say developments are being put forward for consideration with this in mind . The recent development on The Mount opposite the petrol station surely doesn’t comprise of affordable housing . Perhaps you can tell me otherwise . It just seems to me that whilst developers are obliged to build a number of affordable dwellings they try and get away with as little as possible or am I well off the mark . This Country needs to have a serious discussion about care for the elderly. Our County Council gave away its residential homes to a private company on a long lease as it couldn’t afford to run them. In fact lack of funding from Central Government didn’t help . As time went on we could however find billions for HS2 . It’s a strange world we live in . Building affordable housing and council housing is a priority along with care of the elderly . Building expensive homes may help to generate some monies for the Council but is this really the way forward .
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Oct 10, 2019 7:09:17 GMT 1
Key for me is to make development quality, not a whole load of samey Wimpy jobs, tons of fast food outlets and Costas. Drive around Telford and see the slums they have put up in Lawley and the more fitting stuff in Aquaduct. Shropshire needs to be wary of competing too much with Telford and to learn from their mistakes. Not just going for quick and easy development to make up for revenue loss from Ironbridge power station. The lawley development maybe too big..it maybe too many houses people and cars rammed into tight roads but slums?! Bit ridiculous that for me.🥴
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Post by accordingtome on Oct 10, 2019 7:29:10 GMT 1
Key for me is to make development quality, not a whole load of samey Wimpy jobs, tons of fast food outlets and Costas. Drive around Telford and see the slums they have put up in Lawley and the more fitting stuff in Aquaduct. Shropshire needs to be wary of competing too much with Telford and to learn from their mistakes. Not just going for quick and easy development to make up for revenue loss from Ironbridge power station. The lawley development maybe too big..it maybe too many houses people and cars rammed into tight roads but slums?! Bit ridiculous that for me.🥴 give it time , soon look like Sutton Hill/Woodside/Brookside etc etc
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 10, 2019 10:23:43 GMT 1
Key for me is to make development quality, not a whole load of samey Wimpy jobs, tons of fast food outlets and Costas. Drive around Telford and see the slums they have put up in Lawley and the more fitting stuff in Aquaduct. Shropshire needs to be wary of competing too much with Telford and to learn from their mistakes. Not just going for quick and easy development to make up for revenue loss from Ironbridge power station. The lawley development maybe too big..it maybe too many houses people and cars rammed into tight roads but slums?! Bit ridiculous that for me.🥴 Just travel down the old Dawley to Wellington road, the nasty little boxes look dreadful and certainly look like slums.
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Post by barrynic on Oct 10, 2019 11:42:48 GMT 1
Key for me is to make development quality, not a whole load of samey Wimpy jobs, tons of fast food outlets and Costas. Drive around Telford and see the slums they have put up in Lawley and the more fitting stuff in Aquaduct. Shropshire needs to be wary of competing too much with Telford and to learn from their mistakes. Not just going for quick and easy development to make up for revenue loss from Ironbridge power station. "Slums in Lawley"......What utter garbage!!!
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 10, 2019 12:00:21 GMT 1
Key for me is to make development quality, not a whole load of samey Wimpy jobs, tons of fast food outlets and Costas. Drive around Telford and see the slums they have put up in Lawley and the more fitting stuff in Aquaduct. Shropshire needs to be wary of competing too much with Telford and to learn from their mistakes. Not just going for quick and easy development to make up for revenue loss from Ironbridge power station. "Slums in Lawley"......What utter garbage!!! Exhibit A Lawley homes
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Post by barrynic on Oct 10, 2019 14:22:14 GMT 1
These are homes of working people that have In all probability saved for years to get on the housing ladder.
My daughter lives in Lawley and has a five bedroom home with 4 bathrooms and a 34ft lounge......over 2000sqft in total......hardly a slum.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Oct 10, 2019 15:38:41 GMT 1
These are homes of working people that have In all probability saved for years to get on the housing ladder. My daughter lives in Lawley and has a five bedroom home with 4 bathrooms and a 34ft lounge......over 2000sqft in total......hardly a slum. The same houses built by Persimmion and Taylor Wimpey will have been built in Shrewsbury and Stafford so his slum argument must apply to both those areas 🥴
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Post by mattmw on Oct 11, 2019 7:12:47 GMT 1
For my sins I’m one of the people involved in planning Shrewsbury’s future - and your reactions to the development are totally understandable. There is a lot of housing going up in Shrewsbury but it’s focused in a number of areas such as Oteley Road, Welshpool Road, and the old barracks site in Copthorne. Overall the amount of homes built in the Town per year is actually similar to most years but it maybe feels like more as they are concentrated in specific areas The reasoning behind that is that new infrastructure can then be planned, and recently the Council approved two new schools in Shrewsbury and the CCG are also planning new surgeries and around £300 million will be invested in the RHS now Future Fit appears to have ministerial approval. The idea behind this infrastructure is to encourage new business to the town and that is starting to happen. Thieves Lane is getting a new Jaguar LandRover sales room, petrol station and related retail outlets, and the business park on Wenlock Road is expanding - so private investment is coming into the town. One of our big issues in Shropshire is that the population is aging and quickly. Now only 60% of Shropshire’s population is of working age and that’s predicted to be less than 50% in ten years, and unless we help younger people get homes in Shropshire were going to have difficulty paying for, and caring for the older population. New house building is needed if we are going to try and square that circle Thank you for this response , much appreciated . I fully understand that we need to help younger people get homes but can you honestly say developments are being put forward for consideration with this in mind . The recent development on The Mount opposite the petrol station surely doesn’t comprise of affordable housing . Perhaps you can tell me otherwise . It just seems to me that whilst developers are obliged to build a number of affordable dwellings they try and get away with as little as possible or am I well off the mark . This Country needs to have a serious discussion about care for the elderly. Our County Council gave away its residential homes to a private company on a long lease as it couldn’t afford to run them. In fact lack of funding from Central Government didn’t help . As time went on we could however find billions for HS2 . It’s a strange world we live in . Building affordable housing and council housing is a priority along with care of the elderly . Building expensive homes may help to generate some monies for the Council but is this really the way forward . Not sure on the exact numbers for The Mount development but generally open market housing providers have to provide between 13 and 20% affordable on new sites. There are also some 100% affordable schemes such as one being built in Condover at the moment You are right though that housing developers will always try to maximise the amount of profit they make from a development, and there is always a negotiation between councils and developers on what they will provide in terms of affordables and infrastructure provision Government policies in the last 30 years have very much focused on asking the commercial sector to dictate house types provided, rather than the state dictating it. Not sure that’s actually providing the houses the country needs
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 11, 2019 11:07:29 GMT 1
I can't comment on Shropshire but I have noticed large developments of 'executive' homes going up on former agricultural land on the edges of small Cheshire towns like Sandbach and Congleton.
What's noticable is the lack of amenities, no pub, shops or community centre. A car is essential to get anywhere, I just assume everyone will shop online. These developments must be really sterile places to live in.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 11, 2019 11:19:52 GMT 1
I can't comment on Shropshire but I have noticed large developments of 'executive' homes going up on former agricultural land on the edges of small Cheshire towns like Sandbach and Congleton. What's noticable is the lack of amenities, no pub, shops or community centre. A car is essential to get anywhere, I just assume everyone will shop online. These developments must be really sterile places to live in. You can't beat owning land, they don't make it any more. Some nice profits coming in, wish I owned some.
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Post by tvor on Dec 24, 2019 13:28:47 GMT 1
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Post by leonidrogozov on Dec 24, 2019 15:08:27 GMT 1
"Slums in Lawley"......What utter garbage!!! Exhibit A Lawley homes Can't say I like the design or build, but this is your 'exhibit' of 'slums'? Really? Blimey.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 24, 2019 20:28:35 GMT 1
There is far worse in Telford than these, not that i actually like these builds very much.
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Post by sagalout on Dec 26, 2019 0:50:16 GMT 1
Build a mew stadium in the Riverside Shopping Centre and everybody would be happy!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 26, 2019 11:31:13 GMT 1
People can say what they want about Telford, me included, but as a town it puts Shrewsbury to shame when it comes to attracting business. This itself brings money to the town with housing etc etc, and the infrastructure is second to none compared to alot of places. The housing is affordable and they have manufacturing jobs to create a demographic that is sustainable. Shrewsbury will disappear up it's own backside if they don't get a grasp on attracting proper business that creates jobs where people can earn a living wage. The place is in a time warp when it comes to sustainability, and the people making the decisions will be long gone when the average age is so high the health system will be overwhelmed, and house prices will drive out local people. I love Shrewsbury and enjoy going there but it's not real and it won't last unless they attract industry, trouble is I don't think they really want to, NIMBY comes to mind.
Why attract industry to Shrewsbury when every manufacturer in Telford can be reached in 20 minutes?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 26, 2019 11:32:51 GMT 1
I think Lawley Village is better laid out than a lot of new builds.
Places like Herongate have zero community facilities.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Dec 26, 2019 12:03:28 GMT 1
As big and industrious as Telford is, it cannot accommodate all of the blue collar working population of Shrewsbury. This also leads to compromising the County carbon footprint, as it would be encouraging people to drive 20 miles a day just to access the work place, and public transport is nowhere near effective enough to cope at present. The biggest issue is this would push property prices up in Shrewsbury to a point where blue collar workers would not be able to afford to buy, and there is already a significant gap in house prices between the two towns.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 26, 2019 13:39:40 GMT 1
As big and industrious as Telford is, it cannot accommodate all of the blue collar working population of Shrewsbury. This also leads to compromising the County carbon footprint, as it would be encouraging people to drive 20 miles a day just to access the work place, and public transport is nowhere near effective enough to cope at present. The biggest issue is this would push property prices up in Shrewsbury to a point where blue collar workers would not be able to afford to buy, and there is already a significant gap in house prices between the two towns. Shrewsbury is more expensive because it's actually nice. Filling it with factories won't improve the town, especially given there are loads within a 20 minute drive. If you lived in any major city a 20 minute commute would be considered a short journey.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Dec 26, 2019 13:59:14 GMT 1
With this sort of NIMBY vision it will end up getting even nicer, more expensive, and populated by the sort of people who can afford to live there. Such a shame for the poor people who grew up there but are not fortunate enough to be able to earn enough to stay there. I never advocated "filling it full of factories" but you should have an infrastructure that supply jobs to the level of people who cannot afford to buy, but rely on social housing. We don't live in a big city so no comparison, and of course that journey time will increase the more people do it, along with more cars, more risk, and less time with your family.
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 26, 2019 14:11:02 GMT 1
With this sort of NIMBY vision it will end up getting even nicer, more expensive, and populated by the sort of people who can afford to live there. Such a shame for the poor people who grew up there but are not fortunate enough to be able to earn enough to stay there. I never advocated "filling it full of factories" but you should have an infrastructure that supply jobs to the level of people who cannot afford to buy, but rely on social housing. We don't live in a big city so no comparison, and of course that journey time will increase the more people do it, along with more cars, more risk, and less time with your family. In Shrowsbury even the blue colour jobs were posh, Rolls Royce, Hall Engineering, etc. The only one of that era left I think is Morris oils, makers of the worlds finest motor oil.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 26, 2019 18:23:51 GMT 1
With this sort of NIMBY vision it will end up getting even nicer, more expensive, and populated by the sort of people who can afford to live there. Such a shame for the poor people who grew up there but are not fortunate enough to be . Not much different to other small towns and villages all over the uk over the years. Nice places to live but property prices gone up so much that the young people who grew up there cant afford to live there when they get their own house. Just normal, sad though it is. Telford isnt quite as nice but i know of plenty of people who are well happy to settle down there having moved from other built up parts of the country that are a lot worse. Cheaper housing and a much better way of life than most UK cities and large towns.
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