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Post by theriverside on Jun 14, 2019 10:11:54 GMT 1
Proposals by Marstons to develop the field opposite the ground at Sutton Grange, pub/restaurant and 40 room lodge accomodation.
Great to have an additional facility near the ground, will no doubt be well used by away supporters wanting an overnight stop but also the club should benefit with increased use of conference facilities now there will be rooms within a 2 minute walk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 10:58:45 GMT 1
More traffic for Oteley Road to not cope with! It can’t cope with the traffic that it’s got now, never mind after the housing developments are finished.
Good idea, but the council need to do something about the roads in the neighbouring area
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Post by Dancin on Jun 14, 2019 11:23:19 GMT 1
Hopefully a great addition to bring more tourism to the town on match days and beyond.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jun 14, 2019 12:10:18 GMT 1
Aldi going up near garden centre too just to help with the congestion!
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Post by mattmw on Jun 14, 2019 12:29:43 GMT 1
Slightly strange one this as the site was earmarked for residential in the master plan for that area. The pub site was earmarked for further up Oteley Road as part of the bigger residential developments taking place
Imagine this might mean a tricky road through planning, although Marsden’s are creating a lot of these style developments at the moment and have clearly put a lot of effort and resources into the application
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 12:45:21 GMT 1
Slightly strange one this as the site was earmarked for residential in the master plan for that area. The pub site was earmarked for further up Oteley Road as part of the bigger residential developments taking place Imagine this might mean a tricky road through planning, although Marsden’s are creating a lot of these style developments at the moment and have clearly put a lot of effort and resources into the application Theres another site advertising a pub/restaurant at the end of Wenlock Road on the entrance to the business park
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Post by tvor on Jun 14, 2019 13:19:01 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jun 14, 2019 13:33:56 GMT 1
More traffic for Oteley Road to not cope with! It can’t cope with the traffic that it’s got now, never mind after the housing developments are finished. Good idea, but the council need to do something about the roads in the neighbouring area Don't you remember when Otley Road was the A5 and the by-pass didn't exist? Any current, or future congestion caused by development will be nothing in comparison to what it was like in days gone by. As an example on a summer Friday afternoon the queue would start at the end of the M54 at Wellington and then all along the old road through to and around Shrewsbury before clearing at the water tower as the traffic split for mid Wales and North Wales. Used to take holidaymakers etc a good couple of hours to complete the full journey. Us locals knew the back lanes from the end of the M54,through Eaton Constantine and down to Cressage
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jun 14, 2019 13:52:59 GMT 1
Slightly strange one this as the site was earmarked for residential in the master plan for that area. The pub site was earmarked for further up Oteley Road as part of the bigger residential developments taking place Imagine this might mean a tricky road through planning, although Marsden’s are creating a lot of these style developments at the moment and have clearly put a lot of effort and resources into the application Theres another site advertising a pub/restaurant at the end of Wenlock Road on the entrance to the business park Isn't that site also the new EG services (petrol station, convenience store, Greggs, Subway etc) as well as a Travel Lodge/Premier Inn ? Remember the days when Hereford fans used to take the mickey? locating the ground as "somewhere close to Church Stretton" If the town keeps on expanding at the current rate Church Stretton will be close to becoming a suburb of Shrewsbury.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 14, 2019 14:01:56 GMT 1
I wonder how long it'll be before the stadium is completely surrounded with development. Is the housing estate still to go ahead? For all the talk about the ground at the time it was built it hasn't taken a long before a fair bit more development has taken place with yet more to come. I mean I may have it wrong but you did get the impression at the time that it was very much about keeping the local surroundings as undistributed as possible. Yet more development just keeps coming... You do wonder just how long we'll be there if the club can secure another decent profit for the location (what with all what's going on around about)... That pub is juts a stones throw away from the ground isn't it, can certainly see it being popular on a match day. That's if they will be opening their doors to football fans of course...
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Post by mattmw on Jun 14, 2019 14:08:01 GMT 1
Theres another site advertising a pub/restaurant at the end of Wenlock Road on the entrance to the business park Isn't that site also the new EG services (petrol station, convenience store, Greggs, Subway etc) as well as a Travel Lodge/Premier Inn ? Yes that’s the one just off Thieves Lane adjacent to the business park. Parts of it are due to open later in the year and be fully up and running by the middle of 2020 The “local centre” one I mentioned is suggested to be about half way long Oteley Road broadly opposite Sutton Road and includes outline provision for a pub there. I expect the owners of that site to oppose the Marsden’s application
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Post by tvor on Jun 14, 2019 14:11:46 GMT 1
It probably won't take long before the land up to the A5 is all built on. Bayston Hill will eventually get swallowed up and become a suburb of Shrewsbury. Older folks have told me that Sundorne was separate from the Town, as Bayston Hill currently is, not too long ago.
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Post by hankmaloysenior on Jun 14, 2019 14:58:18 GMT 1
What a s**thole they've turned the south side of Shrewsbury into and much more to come. Aldi, Lidl, Greggs, Starbucks, a chain family pub, ugly Taylor Wimpey housing estates. Sweet Jesus. Real progress...
I used to love walking round that part of town - proper semi-rural setting but it's fast turning into a dump. A copycat of the same s**te you get in every other dreadful town with the green corridors being filled in. They'd build on the golf course if they could get away it and the Rea Brook Nature Park is now pinned in on all sides. I used to see loads of wildlife down there but see **** all there now - too much development around it.
At a time when they talk about a climate crisis, obesity crisis and sustainable development, Shropshire Council cut down the trees, concrete over green spaces, open tons of fast-food junk outlets and build thousands of homes without any thought for the environment or aesthetics. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 15:10:28 GMT 1
More traffic for Oteley Road to not cope with! It can’t cope with the traffic that it’s got now, never mind after the housing developments are finished. Good idea, but the council need to do something about the roads in the neighbouring area Don't you remember when Otley Road was the A5 and the by-pass didn't exist? Any current, or future congestion caused by development will be nothing in comparison to what it was like in days gone by. As an example on a summer Friday afternoon the queue would start at the end of the M54 at Wellington and then all along the old road through to and around Shrewsbury before clearing at the water tower as the traffic split for mid Wales and North Wales. Used to take holidaymakers etc a good couple of hours to complete the full journey. Us locals knew the back lanes from the end of the M54,through Eaton Constantine and down to Cressage Nope, I’m not that old 😉
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Post by leonidrogozov on Jun 14, 2019 15:25:06 GMT 1
What a s**thole they've turned the south side of Shrewsbury into and much more to come. Aldi, Lidl, Greggs, Starbucks, a chain family pub, ugly Taylor Wimpey housing estates. Sweet Jesus. Real progress... I used to love walking round that part of town - proper semi-rural setting but it's fast turning into a dump. A copycat of the same s**te you get in every other dreadful town with the green corridors being filled in. They'd build on the golf course if they could get away it and the Rea Brook Nature Park is now pinned in on all sides. I used to see loads of wildlife down there but see **** all there now - too much development around it. At a time when they talk about a climate crisis, obesity crisis and susrbusier ets and build thousands of homes without any thought for the environment or aesthetics. You couldn't make it up. Unfortunately there's not much in the way of large brownfield sites in Shrewsbury, but there is a housing shortage across the country. We tried building upwards in Corbusier inspired estates of the 50s and 60s and they were social disasters. It does leave building out as the only other option. It does need balance, however. Maybe more four or five storey buildings should be built, as they have on the brownfield sites around Abbey Foregate. I definitely agree about the need for provision of parks amongst housing, and as much as possible smarter building with environment playing a leading role in design. As for aesthetics, the British obsession with 1930s style houses is frustrating. It's like all originality of thought amongst architects stops at single projects. Surely we can come up with various ideas for mass housing beyond the staple design of the last 80-90 years?!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 14, 2019 15:28:07 GMT 1
What a s**thole they've turned the south side of Shrewsbury into and much more to come. Aldi, Lidl, Greggs, Starbucks, a chain family pub, ugly Taylor Wimpey housing estates. Sweet Jesus. Real progress... I used to love walking round that part of town - proper semi-rural setting but it's fast turning into a dump. A copycat of the same s**te you get in every other dreadful town with the green corridors being filled in. They'd build on the golf course if they could get away it and the Rea Brook Nature Park is now pinned in on all sides. I used to see loads of wildlife down there but see **** all there now - too much development around it. At a time when they talk about a climate crisis, obesity crisis and sustainable development, Shropshire Council cut down the trees, concrete over green spaces, open tons of fast-food junk outlets and build thousands of homes without any thought for the environment or aesthetics. You couldn't make it up. I was with you until you started slagging off Greggs
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Post by hankmaloysenior on Jun 14, 2019 16:37:21 GMT 1
What a s**thole they've turned the south side of Shrewsbury into and much more to come. Aldi, Lidl, Greggs, Starbucks, a chain family pub, ugly Taylor Wimpey housing estates. Sweet Jesus. Real progress... I was with you until you started slagging off Greggs I only added Greggs for your benefit! You'd build one on the top of the Wrekin.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 14, 2019 17:01:23 GMT 1
I was with you until you started slagging off Greggs I only added Greggs for your benefit! You'd build one on the top of the Wrekin. Its only a matter of time! #greggsnation
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Post by hankmaloysenior on Jun 14, 2019 17:22:11 GMT 1
Unfortunately there's not much in the way of large brownfield sites in Shrewsbury, but there is a housing shortage across the country. We tried building upwards in Corbusier inspired estates of the 50s and 60s and they were social disasters. It does leave building out as the only other option. It does need balance, however. Maybe more four or five storey buildings should be built, as they have on the brownfield sites around Abbey Foregate. I definitely agree about the need for provision of parks amongst housing, and as much as possible smarter building with environment playing a leading role in design. As for aesthetics, the British obsession with 1930s style houses is frustrating. It's like all originality of thought amongst architects stops at single projects. Surely we can come up with various ideas for mass housing beyond the staple design of the last 80-90 years?! I agree. I'm not anti-development - it's inevitable but it is the scale, balance and quality which is the problem. The number of houses planned are ridiculous - not just in Salop but across Shropshire, particularly when there isn't the infrastructure in place to support it. A fair chunk of it to house those from outside the county when the West Midlands has tons of brownfield spaces to develop. It seems particularly crazy when the number of empty homes in Shropshire is at an all time high. It's staggering short-termism. As you say, aesthetically there doesn't seem to be even an attempt at originality or character with some (but not all) developers. I'm sure part of the answer to saving space is well-designed, innovative & attractive 3-4 story buildings but they only seem to care about volume, profit margin and building out. Intelligent thoughtful development with the environment a central consideration, rather than seen just as a nuisance or a box to tick is required. It could actually increase biodiversity but there has to be some space to enable it to thrive. The current expensive brick boxes with a tiny garden, needlessly wide-roads, all wild flowers/hedges ripped out and old growth trees replaced with a spindly pointless twig - they're not going to support anything. Look at the Lidl - they could do so much more with the building and space around it to make it look better, be 'greener' and help the local wildlife but ultimately, they don't give a ****.
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Post by haughmond on Jun 14, 2019 19:50:10 GMT 1
It probably won't take long before the land up to the A5 is all built on. Bayston Hill will eventually get swallowed up and become a suburb of Shrewsbury. Older folks have told me that Sundorne was separate from the Town, as Bayston Hill currently is, not too long ago. Sundorne was never separate from “ the Town”. It followed on from Heathgates and provided housing for many RR Sentinel workers. Passing Sundorne is the large Harlescott estate, and on from there, the other side of Featherbed Lane is the Sundorne Castle Estate. Unfortunately it would not surprise me if the fields to the left of Pimley Lane are eventually developed, especially as the Tennis Centre has found space for a small enclave of houses, “ the thin end of the wedge “. I would say that the best idea over the years was the building of a road bridge over the Severn linking Heathgates / Sundorne to Monkmoor. This town is changing dramatically, with new housing estates springing up everywhere. The question is, are new schools, health centres et al going to be part of this growth, because for the life of me I cannot see it.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 14, 2019 20:31:45 GMT 1
It probably won't take long before the land up to the A5 is all built on. Bayston Hill will eventually get swallowed up and become a suburb of Shrewsbury. Older folks have told me that Sundorne was separate from the Town, as Bayston Hill currently is, not too long ago. You have committed the sin of pride. Report to Swan HQ ASAP.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 15, 2019 0:36:04 GMT 1
Oteley Road has changed out of all recognition in the last dozen years. But in terms of housing development I never fail to be gobsmacked about the number of houses built in Shifnal over the last decade.
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Post by Matster on Jun 15, 2019 10:31:58 GMT 1
Those speed bumps on Oteley road are ridiculous.
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Post by chasubel on Jun 15, 2019 12:17:51 GMT 1
Remember also that the Council get another £1k per year in income for every house they give permission for, but they don't seem to be willing to plan for the infrastructure to go with it, or maintain existing. I have complained many times to Police and Council about the heavy and speeding traffic on Bank Farm Road, Radbrook, and a surface which is very uneven due to potholes and sunken manhole covers and poor repairs. Neither , nor Severn Trent show any interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:03:03 GMT 1
Those speed bumps on Oteley road are ridiculous. Yes and admitted as so by a previous councillor, who was going to get them changed, then got voted out and nothing has happened!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 18:03:20 GMT 1
I note that Bellway are providing housing on Oteley Road. If I remember they have been criticized in the past for failure to provide adequate fire stopping in the roof spaces of their new builds . On Sunday part of Barking Reach development caught fire in 70 secs. The builders ? Bellway Homes. Now , the worrying thing is that Bellway said that the cladding used had been treated so that it would take 30 mins for fire to take hold. There was no alarm and no sprinklers. Potentially another Grenfell. The Housing Minister and the useless Maybot have done **** all in the meantime to prevent another disaster . I just wonder if , apart from Bellway other developers have just rushed to build on the cheap and hope to get away with sub standard buildings. Under this useless Gov. anything’s possible . Austerity has a lot to answer for in my book .
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Post by scooter on Jun 16, 2019 11:26:58 GMT 1
I note that Bellway are providing housing on Oteley Road. If I remember they have been criticized in the past for failure to provide adequate fire stopping in the roof spaces of their new builds . On Sunday part of Barking Reach development caught fire in 70 secs. The builders ? Bellway Homes. Now , the worrying thing is that Bellway said that the cladding used had been treated so that it would take 30 mins for fire to take hold. There was no alarm and no sprinklers. Potentially another Grenfell. The Housing Minister and the useless Maybot have done **** all in the meantime to prevent another disaster . I just wonder if , apart from Bellway other developers have just rushed to build on the cheap and hope to get away with sub standard buildings. Under this useless Gov. anything’s possible . Austerity has a lot to answer for in my book . Beltway are also building the new houses on the old Barracks, over 200 about to go up
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 16, 2019 13:14:15 GMT 1
I note that Bellway are providing housing on Oteley Road. If I remember they have been criticized in the past for failure to provide adequate fire stopping in the roof spaces of their new builds . On Sunday part of Barking Reach development caught fire in 70 secs. The builders ? Bellway Homes. Now , the worrying thing is that Bellway said that the cladding used had been treated so that it would take 30 mins for fire to take hold. There was no alarm and no sprinklers. Potentially another Grenfell. The Housing Minister and the useless Maybot have done **** all in the meantime to prevent another disaster . I just wonder if , apart from Bellway other developers have just rushed to build on the cheap and hope to get away with sub standard buildings. Under this useless Gov. anything’s possible . Austerity has a lot to answer for in my book . You’re the type of left winger who probably blames this s**te weather on austerity
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 16:11:20 GMT 1
I note that Bellway are providing housing on Oteley Road. If I remember they have been criticized in the past for failure to provide adequate fire stopping in the roof spaces of their new builds . On Sunday part of Barking Reach development caught fire in 70 secs. The builders ? Bellway Homes. Now , the worrying thing is that Bellway said that the cladding used had been treated so that it would take 30 mins for fire to take hold. There was no alarm and no sprinklers. Potentially another Grenfell. The Housing Minister and the useless Maybot have done **** all in the meantime to prevent another disaster . I just wonder if , apart from Bellway other developers have just rushed to build on the cheap and hope to get away with sub standard buildings. Under this useless Gov. anything’s possible . Austerity has a lot to answer for in my book . You’re the type of left winger who probably blames this s**te weather on austerity [ Don’t be so stupid . Everyone knows it’s that w****r Boris’ fault.
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