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Post by silverdaleshrew on Jul 16, 2019 16:14:14 GMT 1
If Bury can kick off the season and it's a big 'if, I'm assuming it will be a squad of non-contract players who are either playing for free in the hope of earning a contract or been paid cash in hand by Mr Dale. Either way I can't see this tale having a happy ending for Bury fans other than them going bust n rebuilding as a Phoenix club which as many on here have said is probably long overdue.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2019 20:24:21 GMT 1
Interesting thread on the Bury Fans Forum tonight. Facts need to be confirmed though. I'm on the case.
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Post by tvor on Jul 16, 2019 20:43:02 GMT 1
If Bury can kick off the season and it's a big 'if, I'm assuming it will be a squad of non-contract players who are either playing for free in the hope of earning a contract or been paid cash in hand by Mr Dale. Is that allowed? I thought players need to be registered with the club in order to play once the season has started? Free agents can be signed once the window closes but I think that involves the club registering them. If this is allowed it is another loophole by which clubs can get around the wage cap restrictions.
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Post by silverdaleshrew on Jul 16, 2019 21:54:11 GMT 1
Given the parlous state of Bury and their inability to trade I'm not sure how they can give players contracts and therefore it will be likely to be pay per game deal.
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Post by tvor on Jul 16, 2019 22:03:36 GMT 1
Given the parlous state of Bury and their inability to trade I'm not sure how they can give players contracts and therefore it will be likely to be pay per game deal. Players will still need to be registered with Bury and, under the current regulations, that will mean they can only play for Bury and one other club during the season. So any prospective player registering with Bury needs to be careful so as not to really limit their options for the remainder of the season if it all goes pear shaped.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 16, 2019 22:26:29 GMT 1
Some years ago Doncaster had a season with players from local leagues, non of whom had played League football before or since if I remember correctly. (They still managed to beat us though).
Maybe Bury will do something similar.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 16, 2019 22:32:02 GMT 1
Some years ago Doncaster had a season with players from local leagues, non of whom had played League football before or since if I remember correctly. (They still managed to beat us though). Juan nil I believe. Snot sure if they didn't beat us twice that year.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 16, 2019 23:20:22 GMT 1
If Bury can kick off the season and it's a big 'if, I'm assuming it will be a squad of non-contract players who are either playing for free in the hope of earning a contract or been paid cash in hand by Mr Dale. Is that allowed? I thought players need to be registered with the club in order to play once the season has started? Free agents can be signed once the window closes but I think that involves the club registering them. If this is allowed it is another loophole by which clubs can get around the wage cap restrictions. Flagged it up before, but it's going to be a farce in the league. Both Bury and bolton's future's are in doubt, both have lost so many players and have so few contracted for next season, so if they do start the season, the squads they have won't be match fit, or cohesive - so sides playing them in the early weeks will surely be getting 3 points.....we aren't due to play either in the first 2 months or so....by which time they could be a lot more up to speed
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 16, 2019 23:30:17 GMT 1
Interesting thread on the Bury Fans Forum tonight. Facts need to be confirmed though. I'm on the case. Inspector Swan has a rival.
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Post by tvor on Jul 17, 2019 7:32:27 GMT 1
Some years ago Doncaster had a season with players from local leagues, non of whom had played League football before or since if I remember correctly. (They still managed to beat us though). Maybe Bury will do something similar. Different times, different regulations.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 17, 2019 9:39:20 GMT 1
Is that allowed? I thought players need to be registered with the club in order to play once the season has started? Free agents can be signed once the window closes but I think that involves the club registering them. If this is allowed it is another loophole by which clubs can get around the wage cap restrictions. Flagged it up before, but it's going to be a farce in the league. Both Bury and bolton's future's are in doubt, both have lost so many players and have so few contracted for next season, so if they do start the season, the squads they have won't be match fit, or cohesive - so sides playing them in the early weeks will surely be getting 3 points.....we aren't due to play either in the first 2 months or so....by which time they could be a lot more up to speed Much more likely we wont be playing them at all. Really can see this season we wont be playing 46 games. The shambles that the EFL is allowing to happen really wont have a good ending, may as well pull the plug now on it before the season kicks off.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2019 10:21:31 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2019 19:46:50 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 17, 2019 19:56:41 GMT 1
So it looks like the MPs should be asking the government to investigate the EFL on behalf of a lot of clubs not just one.
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Post by tdk on Jul 18, 2019 8:32:28 GMT 1
I recently wrote to the EFL voicing my concerns re the 'Non punishments of failing clubs' and received the following reply.
Thanks for your email we appreciate you getting in touch and note your concerns.
In respect of your queries we can clarify that all prospective and current owners are subject to the terms of the EFL’s Owners and Directors Test. The Test can be viewed here should you wish.
Recently we advised in respect of Bury that, following notification of the transfer of shares at the Club, the EFL immediately began to implement its change of control processes which include submission to the Owners and Directors Test for all Relevant Persons, as well as seeking additional information in regard to the source and sufficiency of funding.
We remain in active dialogue with the Club concerning the outstanding information as required under EFL Regulations, and will continue to offer assistance as the Club attempts to find a long term solution to the complex and challenging issues it currently faces.
I’m afraid we aren’t able to provide further details at this time but thank you for contacting the EFL.
Thank you for contacting the EFL.
Regards,
Andrew
Supporter Services Department
EFL
A bit bland, and no response to why there were no additional points deductions etc for the likes of Bury and Bolton, but at least they replied
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Post by tdk on Jul 18, 2019 8:34:27 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 18, 2019 9:03:47 GMT 1
I recently wrote to the EFL voicing my concerns re the 'Non punishments of failing clubs' and received the following reply. Thanks for your email we appreciate you getting in touch and note your concerns. In respect of your queries we can clarify that all prospective and current owners are subject to the terms of the EFL’s Owners and Directors Test. The Test can be viewed here should you wish. Recently we advised in respect of Bury that, following notification of the transfer of shares at the Club, the EFL immediately began to implement its change of control processes which include submission to the Owners and Directors Test for all Relevant Persons, as well as seeking additional information in regard to the source and sufficiency of funding. We remain in active dialogue with the Club concerning the outstanding information as required under EFL Regulations, and will continue to offer assistance as the Club attempts to find a long term solution to the complex and challenging issues it currently faces. I’m afraid we aren’t able to provide further details at this time but thank you for contacting the EFL. Thank you for contacting the EFL. Regards, Andrew Supporter Services Department EFL A bit bland, and no response to why there were no additional points deductions etc for the likes of Bury and Bolton, but at least they replied And thanked you for contacting them not once, not twice but THREE times for contacting them!!! Pity they don’t seem to be so stringent in applying their rules.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 18, 2019 10:22:52 GMT 1
They'll be waiting a long time to get the 'outstanding information' from Dale.
Meanwhile, another meeting re the CVA takes place this morning.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 18, 2019 16:31:17 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on Jul 18, 2019 16:45:14 GMT 1
www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17780052.bury-fcs-steve-dale-celebrates-cva-decision-major-day-shakers/Dale certainly isn't pulling any punches! " We have worked tirelessly to achieve the result today whilst taking a lot of flak, some might say our methods were questionable but we can all pass comment with hindsight, my job was to save Bury FC and that’s done, we have other hurdles but the main one is complete."
"Over the coming weeks, our fans will see the truth appearing once the police have completed their enquiries and arrests and they will realise who had the club's best interest at heart, the facts as always will outweigh the social media spin and lies"
"The social media garbage pedalled by the same few is not needed and bears no relation to the truth. I can’t see how attacking my family has anything to do with Bury FC issues but again it’s the same mindless few"
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 18, 2019 16:54:23 GMT 1
What a truly awfully written statement. People have a go at our press releases, but that's full of appalling grammar and sounds like it's written by an amateur
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Post by northwestman on Jul 18, 2019 16:58:35 GMT 1
This comment from a Bury fan seems to contain a dose of realism:-
"It's probably good news for us in terms of maintaining our status in the Football League, but of course it's not good news for some creditors who will have to take a fraction of what we owe them, and probably had little to no say in whether this went through.
I realise they may have got nothing if we were liquidated, but we should probably temper our joy at any 'positive' outcome for us as fans with the knowledge that small business may suffer as a result".
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 18, 2019 17:00:13 GMT 1
Bury have got away with it again to a certain extent haven't they.
CVA agreed means all the football people will get the cash but just 25p in the pound for all the others owed money.
Loads of local businesses out of pocket but Bury and the crappy owner can carry on.
Sadly that statement shows that the ego issues the club have had that caused the issues in the first place chasing the dream have not been addressed.
Yes they have been saved but at the expense of many others who lose out purely for providing saint johns ambulance services, catering, security and many other things.
Not out of the woods either. Think the floodlights got repossessed and they have no safety certificate. And the owner has to pay back the costs of the CVA, which he wont until he bleeds it back out of Bury fans....
Shambles really.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 18, 2019 17:41:53 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 18, 2019 17:47:55 GMT 1
So that’s Bury and Bolton starting on -12. Bury are relegation certainties now surely? At least we know we’re not going to be in the bottom 2 after 3 games at least
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jul 18, 2019 18:57:25 GMT 1
So that’s Bury and Bolton starting on -12. Bury are relegation certainties now surely? At least we know we’re not going to be in the bottom 2 after 3 games at least We are staying up, we are staying up
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2019 22:41:53 GMT 1
www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17780052.bury-fcs-steve-dale-celebrates-cva-decision-major-day-shakers/Dale certainly isn't pulling any punches! " We have worked tirelessly to achieve the result today whilst taking a lot of flak, some might say our methods were questionable but we can all pass comment with hindsight, my job was to save Bury FC and that’s done, we have other hurdles but the main one is complete."
"Over the coming weeks, our fans will see the truth appearing once the police have completed their enquiries and arrests and they will realise who had the club's best interest at heart, the facts as always will outweigh the social media spin and lies"
"The social media garbage pedalled by the same few is not needed and bears no relation to the truth. I can’t see how attacking my family has anything to do with Bury FC issues but again it’s the same mindless few" Cringeworth without a doubt.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2019 22:43:05 GMT 1
So that’s Bury and Bolton starting on -12. Bury are relegation certainties now surely? At least we know we’re not going to be in the bottom 2 after 3 games at least I take it Bolton got away pretty much scot free for failing to play their final fixture of last season then? Shocking if so.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2019 9:52:50 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2019 10:04:02 GMT 1
What a truly awfully written statement. People have a go at our press releases, but that's full of appalling grammar and sounds like it's written by an amateur Yes, and this comment from a Bury fan seems to hit the nail on the head! "If he cared anything about the club he would employ someone suitably qualified to better articulate these statements. They're in the public domain and whilst they make him look uncouth and pretty foolish, they also add to our already poor reputation. He has the hide of a rhino and couldn't give a damn".
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