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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 25, 2019 14:52:13 GMT 1
Joe Goes NO REVIEW EITHER
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 14:58:47 GMT 1
Very good start by Australia much better lengths from Starc and Behrendorff than from the England opening bowlers earlier on, we're certainly up against it now.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 25, 2019 15:04:28 GMT 1
26-3 oops
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 15:07:16 GMT 1
Poor from Morgan when a few steady overs and building a partnership with Bairstow, who is looking okay (kiss of death), was required. Starc exploited Morgan's vulnerability to the short ball, but he shouldn't have been playing that shot in the circumstances.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 25, 2019 15:43:04 GMT 1
Bairstow sucker punched
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Post by northwestman on Jun 25, 2019 18:26:47 GMT 1
Well, we are really in the mire now. 3 losses, India and New Zealand to come, and probably relying on other results and net run rate to scrape through. One more win is certainly needed though.
No more Vince please. If Roy isn't fit, then call someone else up!
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 25, 2019 18:43:33 GMT 1
i really don’t see how Jason Roy would help - he isn’t the type to dig in and grind out runs.
Surprised today - Australia batted in the end below par, should have made 350 with where they were. England bowled really really badly first up, Eoin disagreed but they bowled a pretty length - not an effective one.
Good to see Ben make contributions in two consecutive games - must be a record! Shame nobody else could!
Still reckon Eng will qualify as they’re bound to play on a road at some point.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 25, 2019 18:56:01 GMT 1
i really don’t see how Jason Roy would help - he isn’t the type to dig in and grind out runs. Surprised today - Australia batted in the end below par, should have made 350 with where they were. England bowled really really badly first up, Eoin disagreed but they bowled a pretty length - not an effective one. Good to see Ben make contributions in two consecutive games - must be a record! Shame nobody else could! Still reckon Eng will qualify as they’re bound to play on a road at some point. “Ben”
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 25, 2019 19:44:15 GMT 1
i really don’t see how Jason Roy would help - he isn’t the type to dig in and grind out runs. Surprised today - Australia batted in the end below par, should have made 350 with where they were. England bowled really really badly first up, Eoin disagreed but they bowled a pretty length - not an effective one. Good to see Ben make contributions in two consecutive games - must be a record! Shame nobody else could! Still reckon Eng will qualify as they’re bound to play on a road at some point. “Ben” Yes - that’s his name. I could use his nickname Chokes if you like. Damn shame Sir Anton Ferdinand, Lord of the Iron Islands and legendary brother of an actual decent footballer wasn’t playing. I reckon he’d have carried the drinks with such vigour and efficiency using all of the experience he gained from his playing days. Also, what is it about people with ‘Swan’ or ‘Swann’ in their names that make them absolute t**ts. If only Boris was called Boris Swanson. Are you actually his father?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 25, 2019 19:59:22 GMT 1
Need other results to help us too. New Zealand beating Pakistan tomorrow would be a good start!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 20:02:01 GMT 1
i really don’t see how Jason Roy would help - he isn’t the type to dig in and grind out runs. But at least we would be guaranteed a few more runs at the top of the order
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 20:05:17 GMT 1
Need other results to help us too. New Zealand beating Pakistan tomorrow would be a good start! It's like being in a relegation scrap... What a struggle it's turning out to be for the "favourites".
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 25, 2019 20:56:40 GMT 1
If Starc is getting the ball to reverse at Lords added to the fact that he bowls so well at Lords - then if Aus make the final then they have to be huge favourites!
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 22:01:50 GMT 1
Well, we are really in the mire now. 3 losses, India and New Zealand to come, and probably relying on other results and net run rate to scr@pe through. One more win is certainly needed though. No more Vince please. If Roy isn't fit, then call someone else up! The loss of Roy, without a good replacement in the squad, and a general loss of confidence has come at a very bad time for England. It is a big ask to turn it around in the last two games now against tough opposition. If we can we will go into the semi-finals in much better shape than we are in now and momentum is a big thing in those circumstances, as has been seen in previous tournaments. Morgan is right in that the focus needs to be on a return to basics, particularly building partnerships when batting.
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 22:03:17 GMT 1
Need other results to help us too. New Zealand beating Pakistan tomorrow would be a good start! It's like being in a relegation scr@p... What a struggle it's turning out to be for the "favourites". Being favourites is a pressure in itself, as has been seen in plenty of tournaments, of all sports, over the years.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 25, 2019 22:50:38 GMT 1
It's like being in a relegation scr@p... What a struggle it's turning out to be for the "favourites". Being favourites is a pressure in itself, as has been seen in plenty of tournaments, of all sports, over the years. Doesn’t seem to be affecting India, and they were one of the favourites in many eyes. England may be ranked 1 - but I don’t think too many regarded them as the actual favourites.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 25, 2019 23:01:55 GMT 1
I've never liked the Aussies. Bloody awkward. Has any else noticed when we go over there to play for the ashes, the matches are always played at night?
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 26, 2019 10:30:08 GMT 1
I've never liked the Aussies. Bloody awkward. Has any else noticed when we go over there to play for the ashes, the matches are always played at night? I see you’ve not improved...
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2019 10:34:04 GMT 1
Start delayed at Birmingham.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 26, 2019 10:39:09 GMT 1
I've never liked the Aussies. Bloody awkward. Has any else noticed when we go over there to play for the ashes, the matches are always played at night? I see you’ve not improved... And long may it continue, he's an institution, or should that be he belongs in an institution?
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 26, 2019 10:40:45 GMT 1
I see you’ve not improved... And long may it continue, he's an institution, or should that be he belongs in an institution? Or just somewhere dark and far away from me! Nothing worse than someone who tries way too hard to be funny. You want to go home and rethink your life.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2019 11:35:13 GMT 1
Oh dear. Guptill gone. NZ 5/1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 11:56:48 GMT 1
Being favourites is a pressure in itself, as has been seen in plenty of tournaments, of all sports, over the years. Doesn’t seem to be affecting India, and they were one of the favourites in many eyes. England may be ranked 1 - but I don’t think too many regarded them as the actual favourites. The BBC and the rest of the English media have been keen to bump up England's chances. I can understand the pressure of being host nation, home advantage etc and if this was a young and inexperienced England team then the weight of expectation could be telling. However, like I mentioned on an earlier thread, this team has over a 1000 ODI caps to its name. Only Archer and probably Vince are the only 2 inexperienced members of the team. With all that experience I would expect the team to rise to the occasion. These are seasoned professionals, the majority of them have played in all formats of the game, both at home and abroad. If they can't take the pressure then there is something very wrong with our professional game. Perhaps, just perhaps England will come good in their 2 remaining fixtures.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2019 12:17:54 GMT 1
34/2 Munro out. He seems to be NZ's Vince. Williamson looking class as usual. Imagine a Rest of the World 11 with 3 to 6 being Kohli, Williamson, Root and Smith!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 12:22:03 GMT 1
34/2 Munro out. He seems to be NZ's Vince. Williamson looking class as usual. Imagine a Rest of the World 11 with 3 to 6 being Kohli, Williamson, Root and Smith! Would this be a world ODI eleven? How about the 2 openers?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2019 12:28:41 GMT 1
34/2 Munro out. He seems to be NZ's Vince. Williamson looking class as usual. Imagine a Rest of the World 11 with 3 to 6 being Kohli, Williamson, Root and Smith! Would this be a world ODI eleven? How about the 2 openers? For a World Test 11, perhaps Sharma and Warner? For a ODI world eleven, Gayle and Warner?
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Post by tvor on Jun 26, 2019 13:44:19 GMT 1
Sharma is by some way the best opening battter in ODI cricket. As to who would partner him there are a number of candidates, Roy, Bairstow, Warner, Guptill and de Kock to name some of them. On current form Shakib would have to be in the XI also.
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Post by tvor on Jun 26, 2019 14:10:25 GMT 1
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 26, 2019 15:49:21 GMT 1
To even suggest Martin Guptil now shows just how out of touch you are. I’d take Finch and Warner any day - purely because they actually have the ability to adapt their game.
Those worries I wouldn’t be too concerned about. Rashid people always say ‘oh if he takes 4-65 every day you’re happy’ but that never happens unless England are on flat tracks and have 430 on the board.
Maybe give me Imam as well up there. Especially after that gorgeous straight drive.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2019 15:50:04 GMT 1
Those 2 are at least replaceable (Dawson, Plunkett, Curran).
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