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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:52:01 GMT 1
I can't agree, Boycott's comments, as are often the case lack any balance. He is out of touch with the modern game, particularly the shorter forms of the game, and it's sad to see him ridiculed by many modern commentators when he was such a great player in the past. He just picked up the mantle from his fellow miserable, negative Yorkshireman Fred Trueman in the radio commentary box and his commentary is consistently overtly negative and lacking in any balance. In other media he has singled out Vince and Moeen for criticism, and he may well have a point there, but to call the whole team one dimensional and lacking a plan B is just nonsense. In the last few years England have won ODI series in Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and West Indies so any comments about not being able to play in all conditions are wide of the mark. Plenty of England batters have shown they can adapt to conditions and play accordingly, Root, Stokes and Buttler for example, but yes there are some who don't seem to have learned this lesson or if they have they can't apply it well enough. Overall this is an exceptional England ODI team, maybe people have forgotten just how bad they were just a few years ago before Strauss came into the setup. Are they exempt from criticism? no but it has to be balanced. I'm old enough to remember some absolutely desperate England ODI sides of decades past so personally I'm really enjoying us having a very good team for once. This is a good ODI side but exceptional? We will soon know if this team has what it takes in the major tournament when they take on the top 3 over the next week and a bit. I seriously hope Jason Roy is back in the team come the Australia match because James Vince just cannot hack it at international level.
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Post by tvor on Jun 23, 2019 20:11:57 GMT 1
I can't agree, Boycott's comments, as are often the case lack any balance. He is out of touch with the modern game, particularly the shorter forms of the game, and it's sad to see him ridiculed by many modern commentators when he was such a great player in the past. He just picked up the mantle from his fellow miserable, negative Yorkshireman Fred Trueman in the radio commentary box and his commentary is consistently overtly negative and lacking in any balance. In other media he has singled out Vince and Moeen for criticism, and he may well have a point there, but to call the whole team one dimensional and lacking a plan B is just nonsense. In the last few years England have won ODI series in Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and West Indies so any comments about not being able to play in all conditions are wide of the mark. Plenty of England batters have shown they can adapt to conditions and play accordingly, Root, Stokes and Buttler for example, but yes there are some who don't seem to have learned this lesson or if they have they can't apply it well enough. Overall this is an exceptional England ODI team, maybe people have forgotten just how bad they were just a few years ago before Strauss came into the setup. Are they exempt from criticism? no but it has to be balanced. I'm old enough to remember some absolutely desperate England ODI sides of decades past so personally I'm really enjoying us having a very good team for once. This is a good ODI side but exceptional? We will soon know if this team has what it takes in the major tournament when they take on the top 3 over the next week and a bit. I seriously hope Jason Roy is back in the team come the Australia match because James Vince just cannot hack it at international level. They're exceptional in as much as they've won 11 and drawn 1 of their last 12 ODI series and topped the rankings over a decent period of time. I think they're better than good, but I take your point as to be truly exceptional they probably need to win a trophy. Winning trophies isn't easy though and if they don't win this they won't be the first, or last, big favourite to not win with the pressure of expectation to cope with. I agree about Vince, definitely a weak link at the moment. If Roy isn't fit for Tuesday I'd be tempted to consider opening with Moeen and bringing in Plunkett.
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Post by tvor on Jun 23, 2019 20:26:57 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 23:45:23 GMT 1
That's disappointing news 😕
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 9:24:29 GMT 1
This is a good ODI side but exceptional? We will soon know if this team has what it takes in the major tournament when they take on the top 3 over the next week and a bit. I seriously hope Jason Roy is back in the team come the Australia match because James Vince just cannot hack it at international level. They're exceptional in as much as they've won 11 and drawn 1 of their last 12 ODI series and topped the rankings over a decent period of time. I think they're better than good, but I take your point as to be truly exceptional they probably need to win a trophy. Winning trophies isn't easy though and if they don't win this they won't be the first, or last, big favourite to not win with the pressure of expectation to cope with. I agree about Vince, definitely a weak link at the moment. If Roy isn't fit for Tuesday I'd be tempted to consider opening with Moeen and bringing in Plunkett. I didn't realise that England had been so dominant in ODIs over such a period of time. That's my ignorance for sure as I tend to focus much more on the red ball game. That is an excellent record.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 24, 2019 9:47:23 GMT 1
Neither Denly nor Malan is up to the required standards either. If Roy is out of the whole tournament, then a decision needs to be made about Hales.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 24, 2019 10:05:41 GMT 1
Whoa! This England side are not exceptional until they win the World Cup! It’s fine constantly winning bilateral series on flat decks with no pressure!
Two years ago India were winning everything, South Africa were winning tests everywhere away from home. Were they exceptional? No!
Exceptional sides are able to play on a variety of pitches and adapt to conditions - likewise players get their sides home. Joe Root is an exceptional ODI player because he’s done that - but he’s a league below the best in tests.
I’d say people are more out of touch when they think power hitting is the way to win everything. They may go on to win the World Cup, fantastic if they do. It’s more than likely! However, India are unbeaten and NZ are unbeaten. They’ve had tough games and adapted, they’ve been on roads and adapted.
On a side note - even in the warm up games. England have been bowling first. Every single time they win the toss. Never ever practicing what was usually their weakness. Now sudden bat first is the trend and England aren’t used to that!
England cannot pick Hales - otherwise why not include him in the first place? It would be an utter tragedy for the ECB image. I don’t know why Root doesn’t just open, everyone moves up and Plunkett plays. Stokes and Buttler told to man up and start being consistent.
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Post by tvor on Jun 24, 2019 13:27:25 GMT 1
Roy has now officially been ruled out of the game against Australia tomorrow. Vince will again deputise for him.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 24, 2019 15:52:35 GMT 1
The England Bad Boys XI, has a decent top 3
Hales Kohler-Cadmore Clarke
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Post by tvor on Jun 24, 2019 16:27:36 GMT 1
It's a shame that the game tomorrow is at Lords, which is a lovely ground but has the atmosphere of a library. If the game were at somewhere like Edgbaston the crowd would be much more behind England and getting stuck into the Australians, two of them in particular!
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 24, 2019 17:25:46 GMT 1
It's a shame that the game tomorrow is at Lords, which is a lovely ground but has the atmosphere of a library. If the game were at somewhere like Edgbaston the crowd would be much more behind England and getting stuck into the Australians, two of them in particular! And getting "stuck into them" has worked a treat so far hasn't it ?
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 24, 2019 17:51:08 GMT 1
It's a shame that the game tomorrow is at Lords, which is a lovely ground but has the atmosphere of a library. If the game were at somewhere like Edgbaston the crowd would be much more behind England and getting stuck into the Australians, two of them in particular! Why don’t you get stuck into Stokes too for almost killing a man, laughing at disabled children and flicking a fag butt at two gay people? You really are a complete and total muppet who are making what could have been a really difficult time for them easier. please, can you post without resorting to the personal abuse of another member, there really is no need thanks
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 24, 2019 17:51:52 GMT 1
The England Bad Boys XI, has a decent top 3 Hales Kohler-Cadmore Clarke Some people probably think Stokes could bat at 4 - put him down at the naughty number 7!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 19:41:47 GMT 1
Did you know that the England team that took the field vs Sri Lanka had a combined total of 1,063 ODI caps?
That's one heck of a lot of experience to call on when the going gets tough.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 24, 2019 19:46:51 GMT 1
I don’t know why Root doesn’t just open, everyone moves up and Plunkett plays. Stokes and Buttler told to man up and start being consistent. I'd agree with that. Playing Vince is just a waste of time.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 25, 2019 9:52:15 GMT 1
Will be a belter of a pitch and England will win comfortably today.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Jun 25, 2019 10:18:28 GMT 1
An all time England 'naughty' eleven !!!! We could have some fun with that.
Denis Compton..... (out all night, turned up without his kit & still scored runs with A.N.Other's bat. Godfrey Evans..... (liked a pint or two did Godfrey) Ian Botham........ (say no more !!) Johnny Wardle..... (don't think his brain was never in contact with his mouth)
And those are only some of the old guys. Must be hundreds of 'naughties' in the modern game !!
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 10:26:39 GMT 1
An all time England 'naughty' eleven !!!! We could have some fun with that. Denis Compton..... (out all night, turned up without his kit & still scored runs with A.N.Other's bat. Godfrey Evans..... (liked a pint or two did Godfrey) Ian Botham........ (say no more !!) Johnny Wardle..... (don't think his brain was never in contact with his mouth) And those are only some of the old guys. Must be hundreds of 'naughties' in the modern game !! Ed Giddins would be a shoe in.
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 10:47:24 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 10:58:51 GMT 1
Good move by Australia to bring in Nathan Lyon.
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 11:25:05 GMT 1
Good move by Australia to bring in Nathan Lyon. Yes, I think England would much prefer to face Adam Zampa. Lyon has had the upper hand over some of the England batters in recent times and he and they will know that. England not bowling a consistent enough length this morning, but the rub of the green has gone with Australia so far.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 25, 2019 12:58:45 GMT 1
Finch 100 and OUT!!
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Post by Dancin on Jun 25, 2019 13:10:42 GMT 1
213-4, not looking so waltzing matilda now!
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Post by Dancin on Jun 25, 2019 13:25:09 GMT 1
227-5, Stoinis comically run out
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Post by Dancin on Jun 25, 2019 13:40:34 GMT 1
248-5, 5 overs remaining
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Post by Dancin on Jun 25, 2019 13:43:40 GMT 1
250-6, Smith out 38 of 34 balls
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Post by Dancin on Jun 25, 2019 13:57:03 GMT 1
263-7, 2 overs left
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Post by Dancin on Jun 25, 2019 14:07:19 GMT 1
285-7 in 50 overs
England required run rate 5.72; should achieve that.
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 14:10:28 GMT 1
Good effort from England to peg Australia back after the start they got off to. I reckon that's a decent total and it may take some getting against a good Australian attack. The average run rate at Lords in ODI cricket since 2015 is 5.62
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 25, 2019 14:42:23 GMT 1
Vince goes for 2nd ball duck!!!
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