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Post by Pilch on Mar 22, 2019 0:33:12 GMT 1
Just had an interesting evening with Sam Rickets @ John Pitts
Sam plans on holding these regularly depending on how tonights plays out almost all there were involved in the various social media platforms and I think it had been the osc asked to rustle up some guinea pigs it wasn't a case of hand picked sam fans, there were a few of his big critics there too
obviously I can't discuss certain things said in confidence, or there simply won't be anymore but I did try to get some of your questions answered ( I know it was hard work for you on the ask sam thread, but well done to the few that managed to ask a simple question) ;-)
It was at the training ground where we got a tour from whitters its very impressive and could be a key in future signings even the training sessions are videoed and can be analysed later something Askey didn't do Sam showed us some tactics and training plays they do based around keeping the ball and working it as a team
few answers
Yes the fans can effect certain players, not always in a negative way but it can have a bad effect at times he thinks this can be the same with match officials too
the current formation is what he thinks is best at the moment for the squad we have and Whalley loves playing wing back although it might not appear to be his strongest side playing , he gave justified reasons to the starting line ups and wished there was a way of communicating this to fans before each game, but without letting the opposition know too this isn't really an option
saturday if I remember was due to injury niggles, and big fatigue issues
he then compared us to scunny, I've checked and not including jan 1st we've played 6 times since on Tuesdays, they have only had 1
he hadn't submitted any paperwork to make a sub when it appeared that we might be about to make one on saturday but he does like his potential subs to be "ready" physically, mentally and dressed for action if he calls upon them
one of the best managers he's played for was Kenny Jackett, named a few Wales managers too
his biggest mistake cant remember his exact reasoning but both the 3-0 home defeats and the way our formation let them open us up
Lee Angol, lets just say they have been keeping an eye on his form at Lincoln
If we go down etc
Sam , is quite confident that we are not going down
Sam doesn't read blue and amber or social media but John does, sam is usually aware of what is being said
I asked what position is causing them most concern at the minute didnt get an answer but their faces were quite a picture they were never going to answer that and didn't expect them too, even if they know exactly where the problem is
I personally thought it was a good evening, best part of 3 hours
for a manager to do that shows a lot of commitment ( I've not known a previous manager do that)
we gave him a few awkward questions too
all I can say is give your best support saturday whether or not you agree with his selections, he seems 100% committed to not only keeping us up but planning for a better future
and put your name forward to attend the next meeting should there be one
I'll let you know saturday night if one of the plans for saturday worked ;-)
oh and John Pitts seems to be a right hand man in all but name , didnt say that but he seems very involved and also 100% committed
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Post by RBA on Mar 22, 2019 3:22:35 GMT 1
Thank you that is very helpful. I am impressed SR did this - Hopefully these will be held again and a wider selection of fans invited
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Post by Dale on Mar 22, 2019 7:29:43 GMT 1
Jon Pitts is the right hand man? He’s the psychologist isn’t he?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 22, 2019 7:42:32 GMT 1
Jon Pitts is the right hand man? He’s the psychologist isn’t he? yes, I think he announced himself as head of performance, worked with sam at wrexham and in the past red bull racing, right hand man was just my own presumption, but this chap was very clued up on everything stfc, he was probably a little more open than sam if anything on some of the questions we were asking, he certainly knew the answers
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 22, 2019 7:54:28 GMT 1
Is there a recording of this meeting - even just an audio one that could go online?
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Post by callum on Mar 22, 2019 7:59:29 GMT 1
These sessions are just to tell the fans what they want to hear and to justify what he is doing. Whalley loves playing wing back? Really, not from what I've seen, his best work is in the final third. The comment regarding paperwork for the sub, Payne was clearly coming on until the crowd turned, he obviously isn't going to admit that though.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 22, 2019 8:02:00 GMT 1
Is there a recording of this meeting - even just an audio one that could go online? no sorry and we were asked not to do so
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Post by Pilch on Mar 22, 2019 8:06:33 GMT 1
These sessions are just to tell the fans what they want to hear and to justify what he is doing. Whalley loves playing wing back? Really, not from what I've seen, his best work is in the final third. The comment regarding paperwork for the sub, Payne was clearly coming on until the crowd turned, he obviously isn't going to admit that though. sounds like you are telling yourself what you want to hear, I think you've convinced yourself too ;-)
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 22, 2019 8:14:55 GMT 1
Agree we need to get behind them Saturday
Portsmouth are 4th, anything we get is a bonus, but as against Barnsley and Donny at home, Pompy and Sunderland away, we have it in us to pull a result off
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 22, 2019 8:45:12 GMT 1
Is there a recording of this meeting - even just an audio one that could go online? no sorry and we were asked not to do so This tape will self destruct in 5 seconds...Thanks for reporting back anyhow Pilch, interesting stuff... By the by, just on the Facebook page now...whats this about asking about Hurst coming back? How did that play out?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 22, 2019 10:10:25 GMT 1
I was there too.
On Hurst, we had a long discussion around last season, Hursts style of set up, expectations, etc etc
He then in the middle of it asked, "who would have Hurst back" - As he was interested considering the way Hurst left, majority said yes they would, on abstention and a no I think. Someone said "I would have him back now" LOL
We will be covering the whole event on the Salopcast Sunday, some really interesting views raised from both sides. Still left feeling like if we cant stay up there is NO way he can stay on.... but can also see that somewhere one day he might turn out to be a good manager.... cant fault his work ethic... thats the main positive I would take away from it for him.
Also he liked to swear, which is cool!
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Post by another fine mess on Mar 22, 2019 14:02:23 GMT 1
No disrespect intended to those who were there and have been good enough to report back but I’m not convinced that there’s much here that we haven’t heard already. We’ve heard his reasons for his selections and tactics before. They still sound odd or illogical, but he’s the manager.
I’m amazed that he asked if we’d have Hurst back. I wasn’t there so don’t know the context but that sounds consistent with his remarks about our historical league position – i.e. you should be glad to have me because last season’s manager left under a cloud.
I’ll give him credit for doing it and I appreciate that Pilch asked the questions he was given on here. I’m also prepared to accept that he might be a nice bloke but that’s no justification for keeping him on now – never mind next season. He’s had more than enough games to demonstrate that he’s not good enough and there’s no amount of PR that’s going to disguise that I’m afraid.
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 22, 2019 14:28:05 GMT 1
Is there a recording of this meeting - even just an audio one that could go online? no sorry and we were asked not to do so Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement.
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Post by Dancin on Mar 22, 2019 14:29:00 GMT 1
Jon Pitts is the right hand man? He’s the psychologist isn’t he? A very Glenn Hoddle set up?
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Post by ipswichshrews on Mar 22, 2019 14:31:12 GMT 1
Did an experienced assistant manager get discussed?
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Post by horse01 on Mar 22, 2019 14:41:44 GMT 1
no sorry and we were asked not to do so Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement. That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 22, 2019 14:45:19 GMT 1
no sorry and we were asked not to do so Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement. Don't get that. If Pilch and others are brought onside, how does that help the club? Does everyone on b&a agree with Pilch!? I can't see how this isn't a positive development. Ricketts didn't have to do it but the fact he wanted to is surely a good thing. We moan when we think there's not enough communication then, when we get a level of communication that very few supporters of other clubs will have, we still moan (not you shrewsace, I'm speaking generally). I liked the suggestion that fans should have been singing "we don't know what you're doing", although there are times I think it's a section of the fans that don't know what they're doing. We've been in a relegation fight all season. It was never going to be pretty - it wasn't in Hurst's first season either. We have to make the best of the players we have and accept they're not especially well suited to any system we've tried. Am I enjoying it? Not much. Do I care about that as long as we stay up? Not much. Do I think this initiative can only be a good thing? Absolutely.
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 22, 2019 14:46:24 GMT 1
Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement. That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway? Thanks for pointing out that there were no women on the list. I didn’t dare as I am one!! Also was there representation from the north, south, east and west of the county? The club seem to be very slow in realising that not all supporters actually live in Shrewsbury.
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Post by horse01 on Mar 22, 2019 14:50:51 GMT 1
That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway? Thanks for pointing out that there were no women on the list. I didn’t dare as I am one!! Also was there representation from the north, south, east and west of the county? The club seem to be very slow in realising that not all supporters actually live in Shrewsbury. You’re welcome This is kind of my point, it seems to be the same people all the time, which maybe a representation of themselves and the undoubted good work that some of them do, but not necessarily a representation of the whole fan base.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 22, 2019 14:56:34 GMT 1
Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement. That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway? If that was your question it was answered in the first post on this thread. [Please note: This post is a reply to your post only and is not to be used without permission for any other purposes.] Feel free to cut and paste.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 14:58:11 GMT 1
Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement. That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway? Good point. Shame that Pilch's thread didn't actually explain that there was a purpose to his question. A bit more transparency wouldn't have hurt, surely?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 15:01:54 GMT 1
Did an experienced assistant manager get discussed? Indeed. That was a question I raised (not knowing that it was actually for a specific session with the manager).
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Post by horse01 on Mar 22, 2019 15:08:10 GMT 1
That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway? If that was your question it was answered in the first post on this thread. [Please note: This post is a reply to your post only and is not to be used without permission for any other purposes.] Feel free to cut and paste. No that was Pilch’s question in his original post - hence why it is in quote marks!! And I couldn’t quote it as normal, because every time I do, I get a bloody annoying pop-up appear!!
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Post by venceremos on Mar 22, 2019 15:17:21 GMT 1
If that was your question it was answered in the first post on this thread. [Please note: This post is a reply to your post only and is not to be used without permission for any other purposes.] Feel free to cut and paste. No that was Pilch’s question in his original post - hence why it is in quote marks!! And I couldn’t quote it as normal, because every time I do, I get a bloody annoying pop-up appear!! Sorry, my mistake. I'm with you on the pop ups - b&a is unusable on my iPad because of them, have to be on a laptop to use it.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 22, 2019 15:19:49 GMT 1
Venceremos.
There is a proboards app BTW... if you get it on ipad is sorts the pop up issue out...
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Post by venceremos on Mar 22, 2019 15:22:40 GMT 1
Venceremos. There is a proboards app BTW... if you get it on ipad is sorts the pop up issue out... Cheers, I'll access via that rather than Google. Though some might prefer me to keep my nonsense to myself!
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Post by horse01 on Mar 22, 2019 15:35:31 GMT 1
Venceremos. There is a proboards app BTW... if you get it on ipad is sorts the pop up issue out... Cheers, I'll access via that rather than Google. Though some might prefer me to keep my nonsense to myself! Only those that don’t want you to have a voice or your own opinions!
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Post by Pilch on Mar 22, 2019 15:54:23 GMT 1
No that was Pilch’s question in his original post - hence why it is in quote marks!! And I couldn’t quote it as normal, because every time I do, I get a bloody annoying pop-up appear!! Sorry, my mistake. I'm with you on the pop ups - b&a is unusable on my iPad because of them, have to be on a laptop to use it. proboards don't do pop up ads you need to clear your cookies, cache out the only annoying pop up on here is me ;-)
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Post by venceremos on Mar 22, 2019 16:03:32 GMT 1
Cheers, I'll access via that rather than Google. Though some might prefer me to keep my nonsense to myself! Only those that don’t want you to have a voice or your own opinions! Yeah, them! [Not that I'm paranoid.]
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Post by Pilch on Mar 22, 2019 16:03:55 GMT 1
Fair enough, it it leads to a full 'Ask Sam' evening then it will all be to the good. Hope it wasn't just the club trying to get a few of the fans who run various forums, podcasts, Twitter accounts etc onside, rather than a genuine view to further engagement. That is very much what it appears like to some! The guys that attended (no women looking at the list?!) obviously knew about this at the start of the week, that is why I find the ‘If you could ask Sam one question’ thread extremely disingenuous: ‘totally hypothetical the rules are simple* 1 serious question each to Sam Dont attempt to reply to anyone elses question or reason why they asked its not a debate ( not that hard is it ;-). ) the question if you could ask Rickets one question only, what would it be ? *childish posts will be deleted my question would be , do you read blue and amber?’ It wasn’t hypothetical though, it was to be used in this ‘focus group’. It should have been stated as such, but then again, would there have been much point if the answers were to remain in the room anyway? it was hypothetical when I posted the thread I had no idea what to expect or even if id get chance to answer questions I wasn't sure whether to take my keepers gloves or whether I was about to get banned from the club or anything in between I presumed I was asked due to my position on B&A and tried to represent us the best way I could think of, I didnt have to and unlike sam who has to be diplomatic I can say, take it or leave it, I did my best
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