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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 20, 2019 3:18:32 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 20, 2019 10:10:14 GMT 1
Yeah, this was mentioned on the other thread regarding Corbyn. I think it's clear that there are many people who are now disillusioned with the two main parties, wouldn't be surprising is that included those within each of them. Brexit seems to have brought all this to a head.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 20, 2019 12:22:08 GMT 1
As advocates of a peoples vote they will have no problem with a peoples vote in their constituency now that their constituents have more information about what they voted for in 2017.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 20, 2019 12:35:54 GMT 1
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Feb 20, 2019 12:42:20 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 20, 2019 12:47:42 GMT 1
Anna Soubty is a moderate in the same way that I am an airline pilot.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 20, 2019 12:53:10 GMT 1
It's 14 independents if you include Field, Woodcock and Lewis. Lib Dems only have 11 and DUP 10!
Meanwhile, it looks like the phrase 'we are a broad church' has replaced the line 'strong and stable' in the parroting of Conservative M.P.s asked their views on the 3 leaving. PMs questions are about to start..have a listen as to how many times it's said!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:11:13 GMT 1
Vince Cable will again be doing the rounds hoping these new independents will join his lot 😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:21:36 GMT 1
8-3 to Labour at the moment.
Plenty of time for that scoreline to change 😊
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Post by northwestman on Feb 20, 2019 13:46:42 GMT 1
Both May and Corbyn and their M.Ps ducked the issue at PMQs.
Only remark about it came from the SNP.
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Post by salop27 on Feb 20, 2019 14:05:55 GMT 1
Three mps who can't accept the referendum result. There will be at least eleven new mps at the next general election now. "Politicians who lied when they said they'd accept the Referendum result party" could be a catchy name for their cosy little gang.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 20, 2019 15:13:15 GMT 1
Three mps who can't accept the referendum result. There will be at least eleven new mps at the next general election now. "Politicians who lied when they said they'd accept the Referendum result party" could be a catchy name for their cosy little gang. Nice to have a contribution from the blukip wing of the Tory party and very much the level of debate we might have expected too.
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Post by tvor on Feb 20, 2019 15:29:55 GMT 1
Dr. Sarah Woollaston is one a very small number of Tories for whom I have any respect, she's a lady with a lot of integrity in my opinion.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 20, 2019 16:13:56 GMT 1
Three mps who can't accept the referendum result. There will be at least eleven new mps at the next general election now. "Politicians who lied when they said they'd accept the Referendum result party" could be a catchy name for their cosy little gang. I'd say that this makes a harder or no deal brexit more likely. May has less support within the party to move to a softer brexit. She only seriously looks within the Conservative party and the DUP for support.
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Post by salop27 on Feb 20, 2019 17:14:41 GMT 1
Three mps who can't accept the referendum result. There will be at least eleven new mps at the next general election now. "Politicians who lied when they said they'd accept the Referendum result party" could be a catchy name for their cosy little gang. Nice to have a contribution from the blukip wing of the Tory party and very much the level of debate we might have expected too. Ha! Haven't laughed so much in ages! Say I'm a contributor from the Tory party and you'd be 100% correct. Put any mention of ukip in and your 100% wrong. Just tap Chukka into Google and you'll find his interview,from before the referendum, where he says he will respect the result either way. What a massive lie that was. My post was based on fact so if you have a problem the faults with you, not me.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 20, 2019 17:25:36 GMT 1
Nice to have a contribution from the blukip wing of the Tory party and very much the level of debate we might have expected too. Ha! Haven't laughed so much in ages! Say I'm a contributor from the Tory party and you'd be 100% correct. Put any mention of ukip in and your 100% wrong. Just tap Chukka into Google and you'll find his interview,from before the referendum, where he says he will respect the result either way. What a massive lie that was. My post was based on fact so if you have a problem the faults with you, not me. Odd sense of humour you must have. There's not a single fact in your post by the way, just opinion and supposition. Truly blukip.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 20, 2019 17:26:30 GMT 1
Three mps who can't accept the referendum result. There will be at least eleven new mps at the next general election now. "Politicians who lied when they said they'd accept the Referendum result party" could be a catchy name for their cosy little gang. I'd say that this makes a harder or no deal brexit more likely. May has less support within the party to move to a softer brexit. She only seriously looks within the Conservative party and the DUP for support. It's not really up to May though, as we've seen time and again.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 20, 2019 20:03:52 GMT 1
Just reading some of the cynical and bitter rants on here make me more convinced than ever that we need a new politics. Naive it may be, but I’m sick and tired of the current parties.
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Post by shrewsace on Feb 20, 2019 20:33:12 GMT 1
Just reading some of the cynical and bitter rants on here make me more convinced than ever that we need a new politics. Naive it may be, but I’m sick and tired of the current parties. What do you mean by 'a new politics'? What does it involve/not involve?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 20, 2019 21:06:45 GMT 1
Perhaps one based on values, not policies. What I hate about the current parties is the whipping, how MPs are expecting not to exercise any thought or discretion but are expected to vote how they’re told like lemmings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:10:01 GMT 1
The IG are so intent on a new kind of politics, they are insisting that the UK ditches FPTP and reform the electoral system with PR.
Oh hang on...
Once Corybn and May are ousted they will be back into the political fold.
You heard it hear first.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 20, 2019 21:16:04 GMT 1
Perhaps one based on values, not policies. What I hate about the current parties is the whipping, how MPs are expecting not to exercise any thought or discretion but are expected to vote how they’re told like lemmings. Too true. So many of us moan about our politics and our politicians but woe betide any politician trying to step outside the mainstream to change anything. The level of cynicism and abuse that follows is enough to make anyone wonder whether it's worth it. I'm not talking about fair questioning of motivation and intentions etc but the knee jerk attacks and attempts to defend the status quo that so many people are so sick of seeing - or claim they are. Our politicians are a reflection of ourselves. The electorate gets the politicians it deserves - and vice versa.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 20, 2019 21:16:54 GMT 1
The IG are so intent on a new kind of politics, they are insisting that the UK ditches FPTP and reform the electoral system with PR. Oh hang on... Once Corybn and May are ousted they will be back into the political fold. You heard it hear first.Surely we hered it hear first?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:19:55 GMT 1
The IG are so intent on a new kind of politics, they are insisting that the UK ditches FPTP and reform the electoral system with PR. Oh hang on... Once Corybn and May are ousted they will be back into the political fold. You heard it hear first.Surely we hered it hear first? Good spot. I blame predictive text😂👍
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Post by albionshrew on Feb 20, 2019 22:52:52 GMT 1
8-3 to Labour at the moment. Plenty of time for that scoreline to change 😊 Bit early to predict the Peterborough result this early in the week.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 20, 2019 23:07:43 GMT 1
This new Independent group strikes me to be rather like a group of passengers on the Titanic arguing over whether to play skittles or snooker after they had hit the iceburg
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 21, 2019 2:54:14 GMT 1
8-3 to Labour at the moment. Plenty of time for that scoreline to change 😊 9-3
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 21, 2019 9:05:10 GMT 1
I'd say that this makes a harder or no deal brexit more likely. May has less support within the party to move to a softer brexit. She only seriously looks within the Conservative party and the DUP for support. It's not really up to May though, as we've seen time and again. In fact May’s red lines and never seeking parliamentary consensus prior to negotiations as crucially shaped the current situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 9:41:00 GMT 1
Perhaps one based on values, not policies. What I hate about the current parties is the whipping, how MPs are expecting not to exercise any thought or discretion but are expected to vote how they’re told like lemmings. Have the splitters ever held consistent values? One minute they're for immigration next they're against. One minute they're for nationalisation then they're re against. One minute they're anti austerity next they're for. This lots values are as malleable as their backbones.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 21, 2019 14:16:13 GMT 1
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