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Post by Valerioch on Jul 29, 2024 10:41:25 GMT 1
It was in Julia Buckley’s “manifesto” to scrap the NW Relief Road - so it would make perfect sense if this was scrapped Did people not check what they were voting for? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 10:45:41 GMT 1
It was in Julia Buckley’s “manifesto” to scrap the NW Relief Road - so it would make perfect sense if this was scrapped Did people not check what they were voting for? I think it was only Danny K out of the candidates who said he was for it. With our MP against it, Shrewsbury Town Council against it and a funding blackhole, I suspect it will get cancelled. And then some people will think the money earmarked for the NWRR can now be be spent on the hospital, potholes, bus services, schools, etc. with no understanding of how public money is allocated & spent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 11:37:14 GMT 1
It was in Julia Buckley’s “manifesto” to scrap the NW Relief Road - so it would make perfect sense if this was scrapped Did people not check what they were voting for? Or we could have voted for Daniel " in 2023 I voted to allow over 32,000 hours of sewerage to be dumped in the River Severn*" * Over 3 years worth. Just checked the big poster by the One Stop in Spring Gardens... ..our former s**tting MP 😳 |
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 29, 2024 12:00:22 GMT 1
It was in Julia Buckley’s “manifesto” to scrap the NW Relief Road - so it would make perfect sense if this was scrapped Did people not check what they were voting for? I did in the local elections and it's the first time I haven't voted in my life, and I'm still angry about it. In the general election I couldn't vote on just finishing the ring road, there are far more important things that needed change. I still can't believe I've been in Shrewsbury now 23 years and it still has a half-finished ring road. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 12:11:51 GMT 1
Or we could have voted for Daniel " in 2023 I voted to allow over 32,000 hours of sewerage to be dumped in the River Severn*" * Over 3 years worth. Just checked the big poster by the One Stop in Spring Gardens... ..our former s**tting MP 😳 Can a mod move this strange rant to Off topic thread please? I'll admit it's a bit out of date now, so no longer applicable in the current political climate,but it's a confirmed fact that he did vote in favour. Certainly wasn't a rant, Danny boy was well beaten |
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Post by suttonshrew on Jul 29, 2024 12:13:10 GMT 1
absolutely no chance the road will be built now imo, the money will go back into central funds and be used to fund someone else's infrastructure.
i want to know whats happening with the hospital now though, will we still get the £319m to re jig the hospitals that was agreed by 300+ clinicians or will Shaun Davies continue to use it as a political football and bully Julia into agreeing to his terms?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 29, 2024 12:38:06 GMT 1
Boris building hospitals, Boris getting back all those millions for the NHS, HS2, Danny talking of a relief road, council's buying shopping centres, they were all pie in the sky projects. Now the country has to live within it's means until some wealth is created. That's what happens when you listen to head in the clouds, just after your vote, Tories with no idea of the real world.
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Post by vladimir on Jul 29, 2024 13:19:09 GMT 1
Boris building hospitals, Boris getting back all those millions for the NHS, HS2, Danny talking of a relief road, council's buying shopping centres, they were all pie in the sky projects. Now the country has to live within it's means until some wealth is created. That's what happens when you listen to head in the clouds, just after your vote, Tories with no idea of the real world. How do you create wealth without investment? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 13:38:03 GMT 1
Exactly, and funnily enough it's why Labour did not mention the need to shelve various projects in the lead up to the election. Labour claim they've only just found out about this £20billion funding gap, most other parties claim it's been known for a while. You can't blame Labour really, it's classic politics , take over government and do the "everything is worse than we thought", it's a free hit. |
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 29, 2024 13:45:12 GMT 1
I really do think Shrewsbury needs the NWRR.
I was however interested to hear Julia say she thinks improving the current roundabouts, presumably looking at big changes for Dobbies and Emstrey is a better use of the money.
They should have been done properly first time around too. Just over the border and the roundabout at Rhostyllen was a dogs dinner like Dobbies and they fixed it within a decade with a proper flyover.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 29, 2024 13:47:06 GMT 1
Boris building hospitals, Boris getting back all those millions for the NHS, HS2, Danny talking of a relief road, council's buying shopping centres, they were all pie in the sky projects. Now the country has to live within it's means until some wealth is created. That's what happens when you listen to head in the clouds, just after your vote, Tories with no idea of the real world. How do you create wealth without investment? Glad you asked. You provide encouragement to the private sector. You start with allowing/encouraging the London Stock Exchange to provide a better deal for companies wishing to list, or remain listed, here. Then you make investing pension fund's money in the UK, rather than abroad, a more attractive proposition. Then you make infrasructure projects an attractive proposition for private money, for example, the NWRR would no doubt open up areas for house building off roundabouts (check out the Market Drayton bypass). You let specialist companies, who do that sort of thing, redevelop shopping centres, (though too late for all the money the council already wasted). I'm sure there's lots more ways private money can come in now we have a sensible government that means business. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 13:51:56 GMT 1
I think the NWRR will happen at some point, it will be less about the benefit it brings from a traffic perspective, it will be more about the opportunities it will bring for development (housing) in that section of the town, which will ironically lead to additional traffic.
I think most councils are under pressure to deliver more houses, if I were Shrewsbury/Shropshire council then I'd say to the gov't that we have quite a big area which we could develop but need a road putting in first, over to you. I know that there will be plenty of people who are pro NWRR but wouldn't want more houses putting in, I just don't see that being a realistic outcome.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 29, 2024 13:55:52 GMT 1
I think the NWRR will happen at some point, it will be less about the benefit it brings from a traffic perspective, it will be more about the opportunities it will bring for development (housing) in that section of the town, which will ironically lead to additional traffic. I think most councils are under pressure to deliver more houses, if I were Shrewsbury/Shropshire council then I'd say to the gov't that we have quite a big area which we could develop but need a road putting in first, over to you. I know that there will be plenty of people who are pro NWRR but wouldn't want more houses putting in, I just don't see that being a realistic outcome. Those that don't want the housing should instead campaign for near motorway standard flyovers on the A5 Shrewsbury bypass, get the traffic moving around Shrewsbury that way. |
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Post by servernaside on Jul 29, 2024 21:53:20 GMT 1
If, as seems likely, the project is cancelled, one thing is for certain…..none of the money ‘saved’ will be spent locally.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 29, 2024 22:11:02 GMT 1
If, as seems likely, the project is cancelled, one thing is for certain…..none of the money ‘saved’ will be spent locally. That might be a little more "interesting" now you have a Labour MP? Some of it might turn up on something. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 30, 2024 8:02:43 GMT 1
It was in Julia Buckley’s “manifesto” to scrap the NW Relief Road - so it would make perfect sense if this was scrapped Did people not check what they were voting for? I did in the local elections and it's the first time I haven't voted in my life, and I'm still angry about it. In the general election I couldn't vote on just finishing the ring road, there are far more important things that needed change. I still can't believe I've been in Shrewsbury now 23 years and it still has a half-finished ring road. it's a C road 🙃 |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 1, 2024 12:51:46 GMT 1
If, as seems likely, the project is cancelled, one thing is for certain…..none of the money ‘saved’ will be spent locally. That might be a little more "interesting" now you have a Labour MP? Some of it might turn up on something. Slim to no chance |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 1, 2024 13:22:05 GMT 1
There is the potential for a lot of costs to be heading the way of the local tax payer regardless of the decision the government takes on the NWRR.
If the government cuts the funding all together, a lot of money has already been spent on designs, fees, surveys etc, which are normally "capitalised" if the project goes ahead - ie they get added to the total project costs which is seen as a capital expenditure. But if the road doesn't get central governmnet funding these costs remain as revenue costs for the Council which will be a very big issue given the difficult overall financial circumstance the Council is in.
Alternatively if the scheme is still funded by the Governmnet, there is still likely to be a significant gap between the funding government gives and what the final costs of the project are - which could run into millions as well.
So neither option is overly positive locally and in all probablility will have a knock on effect on other services and facilities provided by the Council in the coming years
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 7:30:56 GMT 1
I think the NWRR will happen at some point, it will be less about the benefit it brings from a traffic perspective, it will be more about the opportunities it will bring for development (housing) in that section of the town, which will ironically lead to additional traffic. I think most councils are under pressure to deliver more houses, if I were Shrewsbury/Shropshire council then I'd say to the gov't that we have quite a big area which we could develop but need a road putting in first, over to you. I know that there will be plenty of people who are pro NWRR but wouldn't want more houses putting in, I just don't see that being a realistic outcome. Those that don't want the housing should instead campaign for near motorway standard flyovers on the A5 Shrewsbury bypass, get the traffic moving around Shrewsbury that way. I've always thought that the Shrewsbury by-pass was built on the cheap. Instead of islands they could and should have built flyovers/interchanges. Having to slow down or stop half a dozen times between Preston and Bicton (around 7 miles) is ridiculous when between Hortonwood and Halesfield wich is around the same distance there is one roundabout. And this is in a town renowned for the amount of roundabouts.
I see a few people suggesting that the NWRR could bring in house builders or developers to foot some of the bill or to drive the investment in the road, but without the infrastructure, schools, GPs, dentists, etc all you're going to do is to put more pressure on the existing ones. SCC and the town council need to find the money to get these things in place either before any new houses are built or in conjunction with the release.
I don't have the answer and I'm sure that cleverer people than me are also struggling with the ins and outs of all this, but someone needs to work out how to get this of the ground or to bin it off completely for the foreseeable future.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 2, 2024 12:15:58 GMT 1
Those that don't want the housing should instead campaign for near motorway standard flyovers on the A5 Shrewsbury bypass, get the traffic moving around Shrewsbury that way.
I see a few people suggesting that the NWRR could bring in house builders or developers to foot some of the bill or to drive the investment in the road, but without the infrastructure, schools, GPs, dentists, etc all you're going to do is to put more pressure on the existing ones. SCC and the town council need to find the money to get these things in place either before any new houses are built or in conjunction with the release.
I don't have the answer and I'm sure that cleverer people than me are also struggling with the ins and outs of all this, but someone needs to work out how to get this of the ground or to bin it off completely for the foreseeable future.
For the last 30 years or so government policy has been very much based on the idea that infrastructure should be industry led, ie the infrastructure such as schools, roads and health facilities follow the development of new housing, and is paid for from a levy on open market housing, thus reducing the pressure in local taxation to deliver infrastructure To an extent that has worked, as developers do contribute millions each year to infrastructure projects, and have helped fund the new school in Bowbrook, additional capacity at Meole school and new medical facilities in Shrewsbury too, but it does rely on a vibrant and expanding housing market to keep infrastructure delivery going and there is always an element of the infrastructure having to play catch up to the housing. Many would argue it also leads to relatively unimaginative housing where developers are focused on standard designs to maximise their return. The difficulty is that since the global economic situation occured and more recently the inflationary pressures mean that developers viability is getting more and more squeezed, so are saying they can't contribute as much to infrastructure costs as they once did, and can't deliver as many affordable housing units as they once did. So the pot of money to deliver infrastructure is declining, while demand is still coming through from new development and the need to replace outdated infrastructure too - the Princess Royal and RSH upgrades are classic examples of this. It will be a key issue for the Labour governmnet to tackle, and will be interesting to see how their targets of more housing delivery, together with a greater percentage of afforabables and a renewal of infrastructure can all take place. Improved economic growth will help, but currently it looks unlikley that the governmnet will be releasing large amounts of funding for new infrastructure while the treasury budgets are tight. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2024 12:58:26 GMT 1
My view is change the roundabout on the Battlefield to the A5 road, put the A5 up to near motorway standard and you can manage without the NWRR. Less environmental damage, less pollution.
You have a new MP against the NWRR, you have a traffic problem. Has anyone asked her what her favoured solution would be?
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Post by Pilch on Aug 2, 2024 15:31:52 GMT 1
most of our current (part) ring road, would probably work much better if there was a NWRR part to complete it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 15:55:53 GMT 1
My view is change the roundabout on the Battlefield to the A5 road, put the A5 up to near motorway standard and you can manage without the NWRR. Less environmental damage, less pollution. You have a new MP against the NWRR, you have a traffic problem. Has anyone asked her what her favoured solution would be? "At the hustings, Labour's Julia Buckley said the £54m of government money secured in 2019 should be spent widening roundabouts and providing free electric buses" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp008q0zdg4o |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 2, 2024 16:42:50 GMT 1
My view is change the roundabout on the Battlefield to the A5 road, put the A5 up to near motorway standard and you can manage without the NWRR. Less environmental damage, less pollution. You have a new MP against the NWRR, you have a traffic problem. Has anyone asked her what her favoured solution would be? "At the hustings, Labour's Julia Buckley said the £54m of government money secured in 2019 should be spent widening roundabouts and providing free electric buses" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp008q0zdg4oThink saying the money should be spent on a different highways project, is different to the government actually agreeing it. So it will be interesting to see what the government does. The original £54 million allocated by the then Conservative Government was back in 2019 and specifically for the NWRR, and generally with government grants you can't bid for funding for one project, then just switch it to another. And as I understand there are no models and detailed costings for alternatives transport schemes in the town so these projects are theoretical at the moment rather than "ready to go" projects With the pressures on the Governmnet budgets as well I suspect the Government will give the ok for some key, fully funded highways projects to go ahead, that can be delivered and show impact by 2029, but will quietly shelve the long term projects, including Shrewsbury. Which would then leave the MP in a tricky situation of having campaigned against the NWRR but to then also see the £54 million disapper from Shrewsbury as well. Think the decision on the future of the project now sits with the new Transport Secretary and her decisions could well highlight the Governmnets approach to infrastructure as well. Personally I think a period of significant Government spend on infrastructure is really needed to kick start the economy and improve productivity, which is likely to need significant government borrowing. But I suspect the new Chancellors fiscal rules will scupper that approach and only a few key schemes will get the go ahead. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 2, 2024 21:19:16 GMT 1
My view is change the roundabout on the Battlefield to the A5 road, put the A5 up to near motorway standard and you can manage without the NWRR. Less environmental damage, less pollution. You have a new MP against the NWRR, you have a traffic problem. Has anyone asked her what her favoured solution would be? "At the hustings, Labour's Julia Buckley said the £54m of government money secured in 2019 should be spent widening roundabouts and providing free electric buses" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp008q0zdg4o'Widening roundabouts' Bloody brilliant idea - NOT. Can you actually add yet more lanes to Emstrey island..... |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2024 22:05:48 GMT 1
"At the hustings, Labour's Julia Buckley said the £54m of government money secured in 2019 should be spent widening roundabouts and providing free electric buses" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp008q0zdg4o'Widening roundabouts' Bloody brilliant idea - NOT. Can you actually add yet more lanes to Emstrey island..... Perhaps she should have said improving, let the road planners come up with cost effective solutions, hopefully some sort of flyover.. Something needs to be done, it's costing deaths, damage and delays currently. |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 3, 2024 11:08:36 GMT 1
How can we possibly afford to fund the NWRR when we have to find FOUR BILLION per year to house illegal migrants?
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 3, 2024 11:15:54 GMT 1
How can we possibly afford to fund the NWRR when we have to find FOUR BILLION per year to house illegal migrants? A bit of a red herring, could also say money is being wasted policing idiots,replacing burnt out police cars and soon, keeping them in jail |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 3, 2024 11:29:16 GMT 1
How can we possibly afford to fund the NWRR when we have to find FOUR BILLION per year to house illegal migrants? A bit of a red herring, could also say money is being wasted policing idiots,replacing burnt out police cars and soon,keeping them in jail Hardly a red herring. The new government is cancelling infrastructure projects right left and centre because they claim there is 'black hole' in the nation's finances....obviously an excuse to raise taxes. The amount spent on any policing activities doesn't even represent a drop in the bucket compared to the four billion spent on illegal migrants. I wonder how many roads, hospitals, schools....even the odd ring road, that money could fund. |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 11:29:52 GMT 1
I suspect the £25 billion spend on railways - compared to £5 billion on national roads by the Department of Transport will also come under the wider transport review. Schemes such as Hs2 have already gone and more local schemes such as the Owestry to Gobowen link will go by the wayside as well.
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