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Post by davycrockett on Jan 29, 2019 12:52:35 GMT 1
Watching Tim Martin makes me think that we should require a minimum IQ to vote. He hasn't done too bad to be worth £443 million has he?
Plenty of people with low IQ's (wonder what yours is) who are very successful
Is that why your Keith123 and not Keith6 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 12:52:41 GMT 1
We have heard a lot of debate about Brexit and most of it is playing to prejudices (on both sides of the argument). IQ is related to taking on board inputs and determining the correct / most appropriate course of action - being adaptable and actually listening to differing views / facts are really important; there is precious little of that in evidence. This is the point I make. However, to inflame the point and bow to your prejudices. My IQ was last tested when I changed employers a couple of years ago - it was then, as it has been each time since I was first tested as a kid, above 150 which is in the top .1%. An IQ of 150 seems a reasonable cut off point to me because that gives me a vote and deprives 99.9% of the population. Of course I say this because we are drifting towards a monumentally stupid decision to leave the EU.
A high IQ is one thing, but to be intelligent requires a mix of high IQ and a higher than average perception of common sense, which is not quite as common as people make it out to be. Some of the stupidest people i have ever come across have high IQ's but bugger all else to back it up with. Being stupid is a bit like being dead, all of those around you are the ones that suffer, as you are incapable of doing so, they all suffer the grief and pain of you dying, but you feel nothing...... this is the same as being stupid....
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Post by shrewder on Jan 29, 2019 12:55:54 GMT 1
It's not so much about being smart, it's more a case of how gullible you are in being taken in by the so called effect of Brexit put forward by both sides. Neither side can really say hand on heart what will happen in the end. An interesting few years ahead.
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Post by percy on Jan 29, 2019 12:57:05 GMT 1
You don't need to be bright to make money. I work with quite a number of 7 figure salary earners who are good at what they do, but are one-trick ponies and you would not trust to make sensible decisions outside of what they do. We have heard a lot of debate about Brexit and most of it is playing to prejudices (on both sides of the argument). IQ is related to taking on board inputs and determining the correct / most appropriate course of action - being adaptable and actually listening to differing views / facts are really important; there is precious little of that in evidence. This is the point I make. However, to inflame the point and bow to your prejudices. My IQ was last tested when I changed employers a couple of years ago - it was then, as it has been each time since I was first tested as a kid, above 150 which is in the top .1%. An IQ of 150 seems a reasonable cut off point to me because that gives me a vote and deprives 99.9% of the population. Of course I say this because we are drifting towards a monumentally stupid decision to leave the EU.
And the Arrogant of the Year Award goes to.....Percy.
For your info Tim Martin qualified as a Barrister before he went into the pub business.
But he has Cornish accent and is Brexiteer.
What were you saying about playing to prejudices again?
Thank you. Expressing a view and stating facts is clearly a request to suffer abuse. My comments were based on what he said, not his accent. I was originally referring to the people following the piper more than the piper himself; however, in refusing to see beyond his own interests I think that he is not demonstrating that he is playing the role of infallible genius that you clearly believe him to be. Maybe a 150 IQ cut off point would include him; I doubt it, but even if it did I'm relatively comfortable that he would be in the minority of that population if he was there. If we have a hard Brexit people like him will slither away - like Mr Dyson - if not with his company, then just with his millions.
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Post by percy on Jan 29, 2019 13:33:37 GMT 1
How Actual Smart People Talk About Themselves Hint: not by discussing IQ And if you could see my car... oh the implications on the size of my manhood. Being back in the playground - love it. We are drifting into something that will completely mess this country up for a generation because people are blindly following flimflammers like this odious individual who has made his fortune by treating people like dirt. Do you really think that he has suddenly become a benevolent soul looking after the people ? Common sense has left the building and has been replaced by self-interest and ignorance. Yes - I may have an arrogant view, but I have had the benefit of more information to inform it than I would ever want to have seen. My view is also self-interested as I do not want to have to go overseas to visit my grandchildren because the UK has gone to the dogs - this is wanting the UK being a good place to live and work in the future; not wanting wages to drop.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 13:43:28 GMT 1
We are drifting into something that will completely mess this country up for a generation because people are blindly following flimflammers like this odious individual who has made his fortune by treating people like dirt. Do you really think that he has suddenly become a benevolent soul looking after the people ? That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but to others leaving is the best option. My opinion is that you are blindly following the EU gravy Train, and easy option, but without full regard to the future, which is just as uncertain in the EU as out of it, and the full implications of the Lisbon Treaty, read it you may well be alarmed, but by staying our VETO is removed, which means we are effectively controlled by the EU. But again, Opinions are like A*******s, everyone has one, but we certainly don't need to hear yours continuously.
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Post by jamo on Jan 29, 2019 13:47:59 GMT 1
And the Arrogant of the Year Award goes to.....Percy.
For your info Tim Martin qualified as a Barrister before he went into the pub business.
But he has Cornish accent and is Brexiteer.
What were you saying about playing to prejudices again?
In fairness Tim, and given your quite staggering contributions to this thread it would appear that percy faces stiff competition for said award.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 29, 2019 13:58:10 GMT 1
He hasn't done too bad to be worth £443 million has he? Plenty of people with low IQ's (wonder what yours is) who are very successful
Too right. Underpaying your staff that built your wealth and adding to the national in work poverty stats and in work benefit bill ought to be applauded. Not to mention the independent local establishments put to the sword by dim tim's race to the bottom. Bravo. It's not so much Tim or Mike who run the race to the bottom, it's the public who support the business'. Myself, I have virtually given up on Sports Direct, 'Spoons and Amazon.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 29, 2019 15:06:40 GMT 1
Why would Tim Martin have a Cornish accent when he's not from Cornwall and appears to have no Cornish connections? Anyway, the vultures are circling, or, in brexitspeak, "wonderful new opportunities are about to be presented" ….. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47036119"US lobby groups for agriculture and pharmaceutical firms want UK standards changed to be closer to those of the US in a post-Brexit trade deal. The meat lobby wants the sale of growth hormone-fed beef, currently banned in the UK and EU, to be allowed in the UK. The drugs company lobby wants changes to the NHS drugs approval process to allow it to buy more of US drugs. They are also asking US officials - who will hold a hearing later - to seek lower tariffs on agricultural goods. The farming lobby says any deal should move away from EU standards, including rules governing genetically modified crops, antibiotics in meats, and pesticides and herbicides, such as glyphosate. Technology groups are also setting out their wishlists for any pact. Companies in this sector are against the UK's proposed digital tax."
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Post by tvor on Jan 29, 2019 15:57:29 GMT 1
Dear me, just when you think the standard of behaviour in the House of Commons can't get any lower!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 29, 2019 19:30:26 GMT 1
Theresa now prepared to renegotiate the deal that could not be renegotiated.
She should have negotiated harder in the first place, ensuring she had a deal her own party might possibly support a long time ago. What is the point of bringing a useless Brexit plan before parliament with not a hope in hell of being able to No deal Brexit by the end of March, yet still refusing to take No deal Brexit off the off the table or extend the Brexit timescale?
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Post by tvor on Jan 29, 2019 19:36:57 GMT 1
Yes, but she remains insistent on going back to the EU to ask them the same question she has asked them more than once before and on which they insist their position will not change, to change the withdrawal agreement. An utterly pointless exercise, she's still not listening. The EU's position on the backstop is quite clear and won't change.
I think it was Albert Einstein that said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
This isn't moving forward at all. I hope one of the amendments tonight that would prevent a no-deal brexit goes through, the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
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Post by tvor on Jan 29, 2019 19:44:33 GMT 1
He hasn't done too bad to be worth £443 million has he?
Plenty of people with low IQ's (wonder what yours is) who are very successful
Too right. Underpaying your staff that built your wealth and adding to the national in work poverty stats and in work benefit bill ought to be applauded. Not to mention the independent local establishments put to the sword by dim tim's race to the bottom. Bravo. inews.co.uk/news/consumer/wetherspoons-tim-martin-brexit-propaganda-beer-mats/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 20:13:14 GMT 1
Funny thing intelligence. Comes in so many forms.
What that current rabble lack on the front benches is emotional intelligence.
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 29, 2019 20:38:39 GMT 1
We have heard a lot of debate about Brexit and most of it is playing to prejudices (on both sides of the argument). IQ is related to taking on board inputs and determining the correct / most appropriate course of action - being adaptable and actually listening to differing views / facts are really important; there is precious little of that in evidence. This is the point I make. However, to inflame the point and bow to your prejudices. My IQ was last tested when I changed employers a couple of years ago - it was then, as it has been each time since I was first tested as a kid, above 150 which is in the top .1%. An IQ of 150 seems a reasonable cut off point to me because that gives me a vote and deprives 99.9% of the population. Of course I say this because we are drifting towards a monumentally stupid decision to leave the EU.
A high IQ is one thing, but to be intelligent requires a mix of high IQ and a higher than average perception of common sense, which is not quite as common as people make it out to be. Some of the stupidest people i have ever come across have high IQ's but bugger all else to back it up with. Being stupid is a bit like being dead, all of those around you are the ones that suffer, as you are incapable of doing so, they all suffer the grief and pain of you dying, but you feel nothing...... this is the same as being stupid....Yes, so it would seem...
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 29, 2019 21:02:44 GMT 1
Good to see amendment to extend article 50 voted down, along with preventing no deal also voted down.
Great news
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 29, 2019 21:17:25 GMT 1
Good to see amendment to extend article 50 voted down, along with preventing no deal also voted down. Great news No deal could be an option, but, due to poncing about creating an unacceptable Brexit deal we need more time to put it in place.
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Post by tvor on Jan 29, 2019 21:26:55 GMT 1
The Spelman/Dromey amendment has been backed by 318 to 310.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 29, 2019 21:28:58 GMT 1
Another amendment rejects no deal now
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Post by mattmw on Jan 29, 2019 21:31:23 GMT 1
Wonder whats going to happen first - Brexit or a Town away win in the league. Might be a long wait for both at this rate
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Post by tvor on Jan 29, 2019 21:41:52 GMT 1
Brady's amendment which calls for the backstop to be replaced backed by 317 to 301.
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Post by salop27 on Jan 29, 2019 22:54:42 GMT 1
The government won't enforce the amendment of leaving without a deal. Best bet to avoid a no deal scenario is still getting a deal as we are still leaving at the end of March.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 30, 2019 5:03:33 GMT 1
So parliament doesn't want a no deal but doesn't think MPs should be allowed to stop it from happening? They also don't want May's deal yet somehow also don't think they need more time to resolve the matter by extending A50.
"Omnishambles" springs to mind.
There is no popular mandate for no deal. People were misled that a vote to leave wouldn't mean a vote to leave customs union and free trade area. Close to half voted remain.
This is a total disaster. Only honest thing left to do now is cancel the whole thing.
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Post by tvor on Jan 30, 2019 12:11:50 GMT 1
The EU have again made it clear, I don't know how many times they have to do this before the penny drops, that the withdrawal agreement will not be changed.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 30, 2019 12:16:51 GMT 1
The EU have again made it clear, I don't know how many times they have to do this before the penny drops, that the withdrawal agreement will not be changed. All I see is compulsive liar, hypocrite and no desire to do anything for the country. Best thing for the country is this whole idiotic thing just ends. It’s clearly not a good idea. This country has no right to vote on such things especially when most people don’t have a clue and are living in a dream world.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 30, 2019 12:25:15 GMT 1
The EU have again made it clear, I don't know how many times they have to do this before the penny drops, that the withdrawal agreement will not be changed. All I see is compulsive liar, hypocrite and no desire to do anything for the country. Best thing for the country is this whole idiotic thing just ends. It’s clearly not a good idea. This country has no right to vote on such things especially when most people don’t have a clue and are living in a dream world. You're the one in a dream world. Wipe your tears, we're leaving the EU.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 30, 2019 12:35:01 GMT 1
So parliament doesn't want a no deal but doesn't think MPs should be allowed to stop it from happening? They also don't want May's deal yet somehow also don't think they need more time to resolve the matter by extending A50. "Omnishambles" springs to mind. There is no popular mandate for no deal. People were misled that a vote to leave wouldn't mean a vote to leave customs union and free trade area. Close to half voted remain. This is a total disaster. Only honest thing left to do now is cancel the whole thing. Sorry but that's totally incorrect. As a leave voter I knew full well I was voting to leaving the Customs Union and Single Market.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:36:16 GMT 1
We are drifting into something that will completely mess this country up for a generation because people are blindly following flimflammers like this odious individual who has made his fortune by treating people like dirt. Do you really think that he has suddenly become a benevolent soul looking after the people ? That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but to others leaving is the best option. My opinion is that you are blindly following the EU gravy Train, and easy option, but without full regard to the future, which is just as uncertain in the EU as out of it, and the full implications of the Lisbon Treaty, read it you may well be alarmed, but by staying our VETO is removed, which means we are effectively controlled by the EU. But again, Opinions are like A*******s, everyone has one, but we certainly don't need to hear yours continuously. I have read the Lisbon Treaty including all of it's updates but arch Brexiters continually come up with all these shock stories about what it proposes none of which can I find written in other formats than propaganda. I have asked continually on another area of social media for them to show me where these scare stories are written into the Lisbon Treaty...and always answer is there none. Perhaps you can supply me with the link. ilovetheeu.co.uk/democracy/no-none-of-the-list-of-lies-is-laid-down-in-the-lisbon-treaty/
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Post by lynch on Jan 30, 2019 13:13:05 GMT 1
Perhaps you can supply me with the link. ilovetheeu.co.uk/democracy/no-none-of-the-list-of-lies-is-laid-down-in-the-lisbon-treaty/[/quote] You’re referencing a website “I love the EU”. Undoubtedly a good source reference. EU is a project to unite the European countries into a a federal state, as described by Juncker in a speech in Bratislava in Sep 2016. Citizens should have the right to voice their opinion, via a vote, on whether they agree or not. But Tusk views referendums as a mistake as per recent BBC documentary. They seem unable to accept that some don’t view the EU as a solution or even required to resolve their day to day issues. Instead they focus on getting EU to rival Russia, China, US for example in Space, with the most likely outcome of conflict. And despite their efforts to create a European Army we won’t beat the super powers. The worlds moved on since European empires post WE2 and European politicians would be best to recognise and stop the empire building and trying to influence the world with their own agenda.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 30, 2019 15:15:17 GMT 1
All I see is compulsive liar, hypocrite and no desire to do anything for the country. Best thing for the country is this whole idiotic thing just ends. It’s clearly not a good idea. This country has no right to vote on such things especially when most people don’t have a clue and are living in a dream world. You're the one in a dream world. Wipe your tears, we're leaving the EU. Tears of laughter at people like you.
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