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Post by northwestman on Oct 12, 2016 11:07:32 GMT 1
And as far as I'm concerned, Sharps should not be rejected out of hand just because of his lack of Managerial experience, which at present consists of being appointed Temporary Manager of Burton when Rowett left and Assistant Manager of Chester who are currently on a 7 match run where they haven't conceded a goal.
He's already coached our Youth Teams (for nothing I believe while he was at Burton), has worked in the Community and is living in Shropshire, has collected numerous coaching badges including the UEFA Licence which is the highest practical coaching badge available and is a natural leader of men. All of these qualities are on our CEO's 'buying in to the Club' list.
His single minded approach to obtaining all coaching badges available whilst still at the end of his playing career reminds me of a similar methodology employed by David Moyes. Sharps is 35, and Moyes was 35 when he got his 1st Managerial appointment at Preston, replacing Peters.
And no, I'm not his agent any more than I was Mark Duffy's agent!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 11:30:45 GMT 1
And if you want another example of a lower league manager who hasn't been successful in League 1 then you have to go no further than MM, who has now returned to the National League with Tranmere. MM originally started with Fleetwood who were then in the Conference. Another example of a failure after the step up from league 2 to league 1 but nothing coming from anybody in terms of an example of someone more specifically coming from a struggling league 2 club and being successful in league 1. Any takers? |
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 12, 2016 12:06:36 GMT 1
How did MM fail in League 1?
He kept us up.
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Post by Gary Neville on Oct 12, 2016 12:10:51 GMT 1
And if you want another example of a lower league manager who hasn't been successful in League 1 then you have to go no further than MM, who has now returned to the National League with Tranmere. MM originally started with Fleetwood who were then in the Conference. Another example of a failure after the step up from league 2 to league 1 but nothing coming from anybody in terms of an example of someone more specifically coming from a struggling league 2 club and being successful in league 1. Any takers? If a Manager has recently brought a Club from League Two and is successful in league One then they have by-passed Shrewsbury's current level. We won't be in the market for a successful League One Manager that Club will be above us. Phil Parkinson: Brought Bradford out of League Two and onto a strong League One contender, by in large to his League Cup run wiping out the Club's debt. Phil Brown. Took Southend to a respectable mid-table finish, they maybe in ''2nd season slump'' but are better placed than before he joined. David Flitcroft: Brought Bury into League Two are now Third in leauge One. Justin Edinburgh: Did well at Newport and is doing fine at Gillingham 9th last, 3 points off the play-off's this I could go on All out of Shrewsbury's league due to being higher up than us. Unless we do ''A Tranmere'' and attract a higher placed Manager. We will either be onto a failure, someone who got sacked from a similar or bigger club, a successful Lower League manager or an in-experienced retired player waiting to embark on their first NO 1 role. There aren't many categories left other than ''Pipe-dreamy B & A wish-list'' |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 12:30:46 GMT 1
How did MM fail in League 1? He kept us up. If you consider that successful just keeping us up. Irrespective of that he was failing this season hence him not being our manager now. |
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 12, 2016 12:32:25 GMT 1
Its like Quinn.
Had a job' was successful in doing it.
Left before he undone his good work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 12:53:33 GMT 1
And as far as I'm concerned, Sharps should not be rejected out of hand just because of his lack of Managerial experience, which at present consists of being appointed Temporary Manager of Burton when Rowett left and Assistant Manager of Chester who are currently on a 7 match run where they haven't conceded a goal. He's already coached our Youth Teams (for nothing I believe while he was at Burton), has worked in the Community and is living in Shropshire, has collected numerous coaching badges including the UEFA Licence which is the highest practical coaching badge available and is a natural leader of men. All of these qualities are on our CEO's 'buying in to the Club' list. His single minded approach to obtaining all coaching badges available whilst still at the end of his playing career reminds me of a similar methodology employed by David Moyes. Sharps is 35, and Moyes was 35 when he got his 1st Managerial appointment at Preston, replacing Peters. And no, I'm not his agent any more than I was Mark Duffy's agent!
Going through your arguments for him getting the job I see them as:
Was temporary assistant manager at Burton Assistant manager at Chester Coached our youth team for free Lives in Shropshire Done work in the community Done his badges Has a single minded attitude Is a leader
All sounds very admirable but is that really enough to become our manager? And if I picked someone who was assistant manager at say Boreham Wood with a similar background but had no connections to STFC, would you give him the same level of support?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 13:15:27 GMT 1
Don't forget that we also have a vacancy for an Assistant Manager, Sharps would be a superb appointment in the assistants role, with a view to him becoming the next manager. Lets start the hierarchy again, Manager moves on to better, Assistant Manager becomes the manager...and so on.
Back when Mellon was appointed I had high hopes for Jackson succeeding Mellon in time.However,sadly, he was part of the problem not the solution.
BTW haven't seen anything to suggest that Jackson has turned up at Tranmere yet, perhaps he took a wrong turn and is caught driving around the maze that is Wrexham Town Centre
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Post by PPP on Oct 12, 2016 13:21:53 GMT 1
If finishing 20th with the 9th highest budget represents success then I guess Mellon could be deemed to have succeeded.
Consolidation would have reasonably represented success, but he failed to achieve that by any definition of the term.
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Post by PORT VALE on Oct 12, 2016 13:39:54 GMT 1
If finishing 20th with the 9th highest budget represents success then I guess Mellon could be deemed to have succeeded. Consolidation would have reasonably represented success, but he failed to achieve that by any definition of the term. Did he get relegated? Not doing so was last seasons expectations. The last two permanent Managers have't gone down, if the next one does will he be deemed a failure will he get a chance to return the club to league one?. As per-usual. B & A polls will be set up, Those against the appointment will want to be proved correct and will be creating multiple threads after each defeat & disappear after a win. And don't believe the budget. No self respecting Chairman would ever release theirs other than to the FA which will not disclose in public. Budgets are speculation if we are ninth by how much more than 15th a pound, a hundred, thousands? What are you using. Attendances to come to the position? Football Manager? They don't take those in debt or spending at the limit. |
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Oct 12, 2016 13:42:02 GMT 1
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 12, 2016 13:48:35 GMT 1
summary of rumours and bookmakers with no real concrete evidence. |
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 12, 2016 13:56:15 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 14:00:08 GMT 1
Its like Quinn. Had a job' was successful in doing it. Left before he undone his good work. Fair comment. Just need the right man to come in and carry on what Mellon couldn't in taking us forward in league 1. |
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Oct 12, 2016 14:11:57 GMT 1
summary of rumours and bookmakers with no real concrete evidence. Yeh, they've been looking on here again!! |
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 12, 2016 14:22:47 GMT 1
What do the 'sport team' actually do at the Star?
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Post by mattmw on Oct 12, 2016 14:35:13 GMT 1
For a limited betting market like who our next manager will be the bookies odds will shoot up and down a lot. £10 here or there can move someone from 50-1 to 5-1 in a flash. Can't seem to find an exchange on our next boss but would be surprised if more than a few thousand has been staked on it so far
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 12, 2016 14:37:24 GMT 1
For a limited betting market like who our next manager will be the bookies odds will shoot up and down a lot. £10 here or there can move someone from 50-1 to 5-1 in a flash. Can't seem to find an exchange on our next boss but would be surprised if more than a few thousand has been staked on it so far thanks, wasn't sure why some names appeared higher than others. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 14:37:26 GMT 1
What do the 'sport team' actually do at the Star? They report on sport. |
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Post by YesMan on Oct 12, 2016 15:56:58 GMT 1
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Post by Shrew89 on Oct 12, 2016 16:24:29 GMT 1
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 12, 2016 16:26:41 GMT 1
paths may of crossed with Dave Hughes when he was at Watford? A highly rated coach could be what we need, a former defender and can make us more organised defensively. |
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 12, 2016 16:53:03 GMT 1
paths may of crossed with Dave Hughes when he was at Watford? A highly rated coach could be what we need, a former defender and can make us more organised defensively. He is supposed to be a pretty good coach and he's certainly worked with some decent ones and ones that play pretty decent football I guess the one thing that might be a bit against him is that pretty much all of his career as a player and coach has been in the South East - Southend, Spurs, Palace, Watford and Portsmouth |
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 12, 2016 17:23:57 GMT 1
paths may of crossed with Dave Hughes when he was at Watford? A highly rated coach could be what we need, a former defender and can make us more organised defensively. He is supposed to be a pretty good coach and he's certainly worked with some decent ones and ones that play pretty decent football I guess the one thing that might be a bit against him is that pretty much all of his career as a player and coach has been in the South East - Southend, Spurs, Palace, Watford and Portsmouth so in otherwords, time for a change of location!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 17:56:56 GMT 1
Radio Shropshire reporting that Nigel Jemson is flattered to be linked with the Shrewsbury job but is enjoying his role coaching at Forest.
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Post by shrewblue on Oct 12, 2016 18:04:17 GMT 1
be interesting what the due diligence throws up on Dean Austin sounds like we have a plethora of possibilities other than the usual suspects!
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 12, 2016 18:08:18 GMT 1
Could see many assistant coaches / managers who are building up their credentials and worked with developing players who may like the focus on developing young players at Shrewsbury and feel ready to take steps into management. Would be different. Possibly refreshing name. Looks good on his professional profile |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 18:24:37 GMT 1
And if you want another example of a lower league manager who hasn't been successful in League 1 then you have to go no further than MM, who has now returned to the National League with Tranmere. MM originally started with Fleetwood who were then in the Conference. Another example of a failure after the step up from league 2 to league 1 but nothing coming from anybody in terms of an example of someone more specifically coming from a struggling league 2 club and being successful in league 1. Any takers? Added to the list provided above. Oxford Utd and Michael Appleton, they have had a steady start to the season. Graham Alexander at Scunny. Then in the Championship, Gary Rowett is doing a good job a Birmingham, after punching above his weight with Burton. And Lee Johnson appears to be doing well at Bristol City. The point being that managers from teams that were perceived to be struggling by certain people, appear to be doing well at a higher level. |
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Post by Gary Neville on Oct 12, 2016 18:52:06 GMT 1
Another example of a failure after the step up from league 2 to league 1 but nothing coming from anybody in terms of an example of someone more specifically coming from a struggling league 2 club and being successful in league 1. Any takers? Added to the list provided above. Oxford Utd and Michael Appleton, they have had a steady start to the season. Graham Alexander at Scunny. Then in the Championship, Gary Rowett is doing a good job a Birmingham, after punching above his weight with Burton. And Lee Johnson appears to be doing well at Bristol City. The point being that managers from teams that were perceived to be struggling by certain people, appear to be doing well at a higher level. It'd be harder to find a Successful Manager that wasn't successful at lower level prior to his promotion up the managerial ladder. In general a manager is good he gets a better job, if hes good at that then you have too see |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 19:18:03 GMT 1
Another example of a failure after the step up from league 2 to league 1 but nothing coming from anybody in terms of an example of someone more specifically coming from a struggling league 2 club and being successful in league 1. Any takers? Added to the list provided above. Oxford Utd and Michael Appleton, they have had a steady start to the season. Graham Alexander at Scunny. Then in the Championship, Gary Rowett is doing a good job a Birmingham, after punching above his weight with Burton. And Lee Johnson appears to be doing well at Bristol City. The point being that managers from teams that were perceived to be struggling by certain people, appear to be doing well at a higher level. Most of the above have all had experience further up the leagues before success in their current positions. Only exception being Gary Rowett who went from Burton straight to Birmingham. Just goes to show how highly Burton are rated as a football club that brummy were prepared to take that risk. I would qualify that by saying Burton were upwardly mobile when he went to Birmingham which would rule them out as a struggling league 2 club. Good pick though as an example. |
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