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Post by callum on Nov 19, 2015 19:00:47 GMT 1
Some players are a good fit at particular clubs but not at others. Jamie Cureton has scored for fun wherever he has been, but couldn't buy a goal here. Holt was a write off at Forest but regained his confidence here and went on to succeed in the Prem and was even talked about as an England possible. TB was poor here and kicked on down the M6 but if and when he moves on it will be interesting to see jf he continues or if the goals dry up. Time will tell. It all started with John Dungworth.
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Post by Exkeeper on Nov 19, 2015 19:56:37 GMT 1
Some players are a good fit at particular clubs but not at others. Jamie Cureton has scored for fun wherever he has been, but couldn't buy a goal here. Holt was a write off at Forest but regained his confidence here and went on to succeed in the Prem and was even talked about as an England possible. TB was poor here and kicked on down the M6 but if and when he moves on it will be interesting to see jf he continues or if the goals dry up. Time will tell. It all started with John Dungworth. Dungeorth was a good striker who thrived on a through pass then relied on his pace to get him into a goal scoring position. When there he was clinical. The mistake was not to bring Alex McGregor back with him, as he was creating all those goals he got at Aldershot. JD was used as a target man her, with his back to goal which was not his natural game. He wAs therefore not a success here, but neither was his replacement Trevor Birch.
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Post by osprey on Nov 19, 2015 20:27:25 GMT 1
Bradshaw Is a good striker, anyone who saw his goals at Bradford will tell you that. Unfortunately we played him up-front, alone against two big centre-halfs and expected him to score. Turner, who had lost the plot during his final year must take the blame, together with Jackson. Now Walsall are reaping the benefits while we have replaced him with players who are ok at League 2 level, but have found the step up too much. You need quick mobile strikers in this League, not big target men with little pace . We missed a trick with TB, let's hope we give players like Caton, Whalley , Paterson a fair chance, or even Vernon.
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Post by Matster on Nov 19, 2015 23:42:30 GMT 1
We have the same thing regarding Sawyers who is easily one of the most gifted footballers in L1 yet a few Walsall fans do not rate him. Obviously it did not work for Tom at Shrewsbury but has here, it happens alot in football. 33 goals since start of last season proves he has something about him. Romaine Sawyers was at Shrewsbury before coming to you. I think he had a few boo boys when he was here... Obviously has scored against us since.
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Post by saddler1975 on Nov 20, 2015 0:04:20 GMT 1
We have the same thing regarding Sawyers who is easily one of the most gifted footballers in L1 yet a few Walsall fans do not rate him. Obviously it did not work for Tom at Shrewsbury but has here, it happens alot in football. 33 goals since start of last season proves he has something about him. Romaine Sawyers was at Shrewsbury before coming to you. I think he had a few boo boys when he was here... Obviously has scored against us since.
He has that look of laziness about him but that's purely because things come easy for him, he strides around a football field like he owns it and the intricate passes he does are a class above. The only thing he lacked in his game was goals which he is now adding.
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Post by Dale on Nov 20, 2015 7:26:10 GMT 1
Remember when Bradshaw had that 18 month spell without scoring for the first team here (albeit injuries didn't help), at the time I remember getting involved in a Facebook row with his sister, I think I said something like 'if he doesn't find his shooting boots soon he will be on his way to non league football!'
Needless to say not long after those comments he did find his shooting boots and look where he is now, that's why I think McAlinden will find another club on loan after January and score at least 15 goals probably! It's the Shrewsbury Town 'striker jinx' that many forwards seem to suffer from whilst they're here!
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2015 9:33:46 GMT 1
Sorry, my sarcasm seems to have been taken literally. I liked Bradshaw. Always had potential but was part of a really s**t team and like others at the moment, never got a regular place. He also was off for a while if my memory serves with a bad injury. My point is he was a decent prospect who fell foul to the short sighted club policy at the time and utter lack of patience of supporters. He has developed and certainly has an eye for goal. Many on here (certainly not me)had nothing but insults for Bradders and I for one hope they are enjoying now eating their words as he helps Walsall, one of our closest rivals, push for a place in the championship! You certainly have to question some of the decisions made by GT during his last year with us. Not only his handling of Bradshaw. Sending Connor out on loan to Cheltenham when we possessed the centre backs we had beggars belief.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Nov 20, 2015 10:30:27 GMT 1
Sorry, my sarcasm seems to have been taken literally. I liked Bradshaw. Always had potential but was part of a really s**t team and like others at the moment, never got a regular place. He also was off for a while if my memory serves with a bad injury. My point is he was a decent prospect who fell foul to the short sighted club policy at the time and utter lack of patience of supporters. He has developed and certainly has an eye for goal. Many on here (certainly not me)had nothing but insults for Bradders and I for one hope they are enjoying now eating their words as he helps Walsall, one of our closest rivals, push for a place in the championship! You certainly have to question some of the decisions made by GT during his last year with us. Not only his handling of Bradshaw. Sending Connor out on loan to Cheltenham when we possessed the centre backs we had beggars belief. GT should of went that Summer.
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Post by TheFoz on Nov 20, 2015 10:41:37 GMT 1
You certainly have to question some of the decisions made by GT during his last year with us. Not only his handling of Bradshaw. Sending Connor out on loan to Cheltenham when we possessed the centre backs we had beggars belief. GT should of went that Summer. Credit to Jackson for sticking Goldson straight in the team when he became manager. When the summer recruitment was just Mkandawire,Winfield,McQuade and Marsden , every fan knew we were in trouble then.
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Post by salop999 on Nov 20, 2015 11:06:03 GMT 1
I've always been surprised by the silence from Turner since resigned.
I long ago expected him to come out and just explain a few things.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Nov 20, 2015 11:23:52 GMT 1
Highlight of that season was the Gala friendly game.
Bleak times, Winfield was up there with big fat Matt Redmile.
p**s poor excuse for a 'professional' footballer.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Nov 20, 2015 11:24:05 GMT 1
I've always been surprised by the silence from Turner since resigned. I long ago expected him to come out and just explain a few things. I'd be interested in a GT book to be fair, would be a good read.
Anyone know if planning one?
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Post by Dale on Nov 20, 2015 14:53:11 GMT 1
I've always been surprised by the silence from Turner since resigned. I long ago expected him to come out and just explain a few things. I'd be interested in a GT book to be fair, would be a good read.
Anyone know if planning one?
What would he need to explain? Things just didn't work out during his final season but he doesn't need to justify anything to us or anyone else, he's had a fantastic career in the game and I'd imagine a book by him would be a fascinating read, I bet he has plenty of interesting stories to tell!
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Post by callum on Nov 21, 2015 2:14:10 GMT 1
I've always been surprised by the silence from Turner since resigned. I long ago expected him to come out and just explain a few things. I'd be interested in a GT book to be fair, would be a good read.
Anyone know if planning one?
Good shout, would be a really good read I'd imagine. I really enjoyed Ben smiths book, in fact I'd say it was one of the best autobiographies I've read.
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 21, 2015 4:19:36 GMT 1
Agree with SouthStand. I'd love to know whether the calamitious loan "strategy" was his idea or forced on him from above. And if it was his own idea, what he thinks of it in retrospect. I suspect we'll never know - either because he signed a confidentiality agreement when leaving or because he just wants to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 9:05:47 GMT 1
Remember when Bradshaw had that 18 month spell without scoring for the first team here (albeit injuries didn't help), at the time I remember getting involved in a Facebook row with his sister, I think I said something like 'if he doesn't find his shooting boots soon he will be on his way to non league football!' Needless to say not long after those comments he did find his shooting boots and look where he is now, that's why I think McAlinden will find another club on loan after January and score at least 15 goals probably! It's the Shrewsbury Town 'striker jinx' that many forwards seem to suffer from whilst they're here! Don't forget that he was also on loan at Fleetwood and his scoring goals/game ratio was poorer than with us the first time.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 21, 2015 9:41:01 GMT 1
Agree with SouthStand. I'd love to know whether the calamitious loan "strategy" was his idea or forced on him from above. And if it was his own idea, what he thinks of it in retrospect. I suspect we'll never know - either because he signed a confidentiality agreement when leaving or because he just wants to move on. I suspect the former, otherwise at least one of the revolving door victims would surely have come out with a comment by now.
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Post by saddler1975 on Nov 21, 2015 15:22:15 GMT 1
According to wiki Tom was averaging just over a goal every 5 games (league games only), now is that really that bad when you consider how young he was, where he had previously played, injury prone and used in the wrong system? Majority of fans nowadays (like the owners) are impatient and expect things to happen immediately.
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Post by callum on Nov 21, 2015 17:16:08 GMT 1
I've always been surprised by the silence from Turner since resigned. I long ago expected him to come out and just explain a few things. I'd be interested in a GT book to be fair, would be a good read.
Anyone know if planning one?
Has anyone seen or heard anything of Turner? Last time I can recall was at the Wolves game,where he seemed more interested in their fans than ours.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 18:51:33 GMT 1
Bradshaw didn't string together many good consecutive games with us, so its understandable that our fans see his time with us very differently. However, those critics who were particularly insulting and cruel about his ability, are probably a bit embarrassed now. I'm not surprised he is scoring regularly but I am surprised he's doing it at a top L1 side, a credit to his hard work and development since he left us. And those who were far happier with his replacements might have changed their minds recently... how we could do with a goal scoring, in the box poacher at the moment.
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Post by callum on Nov 21, 2015 18:57:33 GMT 1
Bradshaw didn't string together many good consecutive games with us, so its understandable that our fans see his time with us very differently. However, those critics who were particularly insulting and cruel about his ability, are probably a bit embarrassed now. I'm not surprised he is scoring regularly but I am surprised he's doing it at a top L1 side, a credit to his hard work and development since he left us. And those who were far happier with his replacements might have changed their minds recently... how we could do with a goal scoring, in the box poacher at the moment. We'd soon put a stop to that business if we did have a poacher!!
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Nov 21, 2015 19:59:11 GMT 1
Bradshaw didn't string together many good consecutive games with us, so its understandable that our fans see his time with us very differently. However, those critics who were particularly insulting and cruel about his ability, are probably a bit embarrassed now. I'm not surprised he is scoring regularly but I am surprised he's doing it at a top L1 side, a credit to his hard work and development since he left us. And those who were far happier with his replacements might have changed their minds recently... how we could do with a goal scoring, in the box poacher at the moment. Speak for yourself Paul! I always said you could see his undoubted potential and because he was young he had plenty of time to improve ( which he has done) Given a run of games he always scored but for some reason GT would take him off at the first sign of a drop in performance level . Instead he preferred a succession of misfiring loanees. Had MM been his manager for his last season I things would have turned out differently. However a change of club was probably the best thing for him.
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Post by essofsteel on Nov 21, 2015 21:22:43 GMT 1
Anybody who say's he was a world beater when he played for the Town saw different games to me!
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Nov 21, 2015 23:21:43 GMT 1
Anybody who say's he was a world beater when he played for the Town saw different games to me! World beater?!? Who called him that? Potential to play higher than league 2 and score regularly.was more the point...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 10:05:22 GMT 1
Bradshaw didn't string together many good consecutive games with us, so its understandable that our fans see his time with us very differently. However, those critics who were particularly insulting and cruel about his ability, are probably a bit embarrassed now. I'm not surprised he is scoring regularly but I am surprised he's doing it at a top L1 side, a credit to his hard work and development since he left us. And those who were far happier with his replacements might have changed their minds recently... how we could do with a goal scoring, in the box poacher at the moment. Speak for yourself Paul! I always said you could see his undoubted potential and because he was young he had plenty of time to improve ( which he has done) Given a run of games he always scored but for some reason GT would take him off at the first sign of a drop in performance level . Instead he preferred a succession of misfiring loanees. Had MM been his manager for his last season I things would have turned out differently. However a change of club was probably the best thing for him. I'm not convinced MM and GT's treatment of young players is that different tbh. Can you compare how MM developed an older Goldson and Woods in L2 with what GT did with them when they were younger in L1. Yes Bradshaw might have been given his head last season like those two but equally he may have been managed like a Wildig or Demetriou or Clark. Yesterday the raw but promising Dom Smith was rested (an action I agreed with btw) after a promising start to his league career but one where he has been hastily moved away from the cauldron of centre half to right back... Sound familiar?
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Nov 22, 2015 10:29:05 GMT 1
Some similarities I agree Paul
However I would say that once woods and goldson became sure of their place they were put consistently in their favoured positions by MM which got the best out of them and saw them develop further.
I believe the same will happen with smith. Altho still a big fan of GT overall I don't think he treated our younger players as well as he should have on occasions and very often didn't give them the chance to fully develop
The difference with demetriou is he is a lb/LWB and played there last season, however he was inconsistent at league 2 and there were real doubts he could make the step up. Agree he wasn't given the chance to prove it either way (which I would have preferred tbh) but I am sure had he and failed MM would have been slaughtered by some for not seeing he wasn't up to lg 1 standard.
Wildig is a decent lower league midfielder who had too many others ahead of him when MM made decisions on this seasons squad with a limited budget
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 10:53:58 GMT 1
Fair comments
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Post by saddler1975 on Nov 28, 2015 21:45:50 GMT 1
1 goal away from his 50th career goal, it could come Tuesday.
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Nov 29, 2015 0:21:25 GMT 1
1 goal away from his 50th career goal, it could come Tuesday. [br Yep, in a 2.1 defeat
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Post by saddler1975 on Nov 29, 2015 1:02:10 GMT 1
1 goal away from his 50th career goal, it could come Tuesday. [br Yep, in a 2.1 defeat We could be managerless by Tuesday
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