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Post by accordingtome on Aug 29, 2015 18:00:27 GMT 1
That game was there for the taking,burton offered nothing all game,we have the ability to unlock defences in whalley and Clarke as was evident at Oldham last week.it seems Mellon is as pigheaded as turner in his refusal to play key players , especially MD who lets not forget was plenty good enough to play against Blackpool,Leicester,Norwich,chselsea and Walsall last season if I'm not mistaken.pretty clueless manager as far as I'm concerned, makes you wonder why Fleetwood got rid of him before they went up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 18:05:21 GMT 1
Tootle was blowing out of his arse after 30 mins , completely knackered . Still, he didn't do badly overall but we desparately need a cutting edge i.e. Some real pace up front . Collins works his guts out but , unfortunately it's not enough in this League . Thought Whalley deserved a run, could get at their tiring defence and perhaps then Barnett or whoever could get on the end of something . Changes should have been made earlier I think . In all honesty I am f.ckin gutted at that result, Burton did nothing to win the game and we should have put our chances away, and we did have chances . Not going to slaughter the lads, they worked really hard but , unfortunately luck wasn't on their side . They need a bit of luck but I am not going to panic yet .
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 29, 2015 18:08:36 GMT 1
Difficult this isn't it, the 3rd division like...
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Post by mightyshrew on Aug 29, 2015 18:12:38 GMT 1
Offer me a point next week right now and I'd take it. In the bigger picture offer me 3 points after 6 games a month ago, That would be unacceptable. Oh how results change expectations
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 29, 2015 18:14:58 GMT 1
First time I've seen Mickey rattled. Ranting at the fourth official and the useless Lino, and arguing with supporters and telling them to "shut up", is not the cleverest thing he'll ever do in his career.
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Post by accordingtome on Aug 29, 2015 18:19:24 GMT 1
So most of our players had 90/120 minutes on Tuesday as did Burton,s, was screaming out for fresh legs with 20minutes to go. It was evident that hasselbank changed the game with his subs, as we created next to nothing after his first sub, which pushed us back into our half. What is the point of like for like striker subs when it's blindingly obvious wr can't put a decent ball into the box for them. Every time Brown put a cross in it went straight to their keeper
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 29, 2015 18:23:31 GMT 1
Spot on... I blame Mellon for today's loss, was plain as the nose on his face we needed to change things earlier. Waiting until the 82nd min and then only producing a like for like change of strikers (who may as well not have been on the pitch for all the service they got) was pointless.
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Post by lenny on Aug 29, 2015 18:24:10 GMT 1
My take on my first game of the season:
Thought we were comfortably the better side today, but created only one clear chance in open play, when Tootle played in Collins. Should have had at least one goal from the two free headers someone (Jermaine?) put over the bar, and obviously aside from Brown hitting the woodwork twice, Woods and Lawrence both went close from distance. No cutting edge, really, was the problem.
I strongly disagree that we set up not to lose - it's the same formation (well, no idea where Brown was supposed to be playing) as we used most of last season and on Tuesday to good effect. Think Mellon thought the players who had held a premier league side over 90 minutes had earned their chance - and it was working for most of it with Burton having absolutely no threat until they brought on that black winger who skinned a visibly shattered Tootle and made the goal which Messi just managed to convert.
Subs were a little odd. We were well on top for the first 15 minutes of the second half, and Burton made a change which nullified our control. We were crying out for more invention and pace, but the listless Brown (I now feel very sorry for Demetriou) was kept on while JLAA - our only forward who was a threat - was hooked. Just felt that going to a more defined system would have been beneficial, as well as someone who could go through.
Burton looked very ordinary but they did their job. They were one of "those" teams - "streetwise", "cynical" etc... i.e. cheats. Their number 20 was an arsewhole whose laughable dive and subsequent protestations were the highlight of the match, and who also should have been sent off for attempting to chokeslam Leutwiler (although it would have made no difference); their number 8 was flying in all over the place but dropping down under a light breeze and the whole team made it their personal mission to finish the career of Ryan Woods. They were far from the worst kind of side you'll see (although I wouldn't want to watch it every week) and I just wish we could have defenders who can win free kicks like theirs did whenever JLAA got them in trouble.
In short, I'm not too worried. Think we'll be fine. Burton aren't a great side but will probably comfortably stay up, and Hasselbaink is a good manager. Another day, we would have won that game comfortably. Blackpool look like they may well go down again, and we'll start to click soon - I'm confident. Wes and NKP will be back soon, the strikers will start to fire and we won't lose too many games in today's ilk.
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Post by accordingtome on Aug 29, 2015 18:36:33 GMT 1
Mellon also said in his interview on radio slop "everyone did everything they possibly could in that game", well, not using all your subs isn't doing everything you possibly can in my eyes
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Post by northwestman on Aug 29, 2015 18:39:57 GMT 1
Spot on... I blame Mellon for today's loss, was plain as the nose on his face we needed to change things earlier. Waiting until the 82nd min and then only producing a like for like change of strikers (who may as well not have been on the pitch for all the service they got) was pointless. Agree with this. MM's oh so late like for like change of strikers was pointless. Can Whalley play a wing back role? Because if he can, he should have been on instead of the visibly tiring Tootle to give us some presence and pace on the right side of midfield. Clarke should have been introduced too. And hooking off JLAA when he was effectively our only outlet up front was somewhat surprising to say the least. In contrast, Hasselbaink's substitutions won him the game, first by shoring up midfield, then introducing a player to run at Tootle. As for Duffy, very quiet game until the goal. Someone else on here has said that Sadler didn't track him into the box. I'll have to see the highlights to confirm that.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 29, 2015 18:40:32 GMT 1
Mellon also said in his interview on radio slop "everyone did everything they possibly could in that game", well, not using all your subs isn't doing everything you possibly can in my eyes I think he was talking about the players rather than himself ;P
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Post by salop999 on Aug 29, 2015 18:53:03 GMT 1
Everyone calm down. That was unlucky. We were the better side through out and hit the wood work twice. On another day you go in 2 up. I thought we looked better in that system. Sadler and Tootle had good games. The tempo in the second half was much better. We're getting there. Three straight home defeats and barely 4000 town fans turned up yep everythings looking rosey... The point of the game is to score more goals than the oposition not dominate the game, only have one shot on target and concede a late goal. MM and RW and co will be judged by results and it's not looking good
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Post by salop999 on Aug 29, 2015 18:55:29 GMT 1
Nicko its fine to be calm and claim luck, but there are many people out there (myself included) who don't believe in luck. What then? What did we go on?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 29, 2015 18:59:08 GMT 1
And I would have to question nicko's observation that Tootle and Sadler had good games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 18:59:32 GMT 1
It's the 5th game in a 46 game season. We hit the woodwork twice. We were better than against Millwall and Chesterfield.
If you choose to get your knickers in a twist then fine.
I won't yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:00:54 GMT 1
And I would have to question nicko's observation that Tootle and Sadler had good games. It wasn't just my observation. How's your list coming along?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:13:10 GMT 1
I thought we played well and where well and truly robbed. How many times did we do this to teams last year though.
I agree we seem to lack pace going forward. I also think we lack numbers going forward.
I'm not going to panic though or start slating players or manager.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 20:01:47 GMT 1
First time I've seen Mickey rattled. Ranting at the fourth official and the useless Lino, and arguing with supporters and telling them to "shut up", is not the cleverest thing he'll ever do in his career. Seemed to be plenty of fans that appreciated him telling the moaner to shut up and support the team when he did it.
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Post by callum on Aug 29, 2015 20:18:49 GMT 1
Both full backs at fault for the goal,Tootle let the forward go past him far to easily and Sadler didn't track the run of Duffy, very poor service to the forwards again,also don't like the way Leutwiler punches rather than catching, very poor attendance today,barely 4,000 town fans is awful, even Wrexscum had a thousand more two divisions below us.
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Post by clive on Aug 29, 2015 20:21:34 GMT 1
Toothless performance today a draw would of been fair but that's all I will be the first to say it can't see Mellon being here long if results stay the same two hard away games coming up now pressure on him today he already arguing with fans behind the dug out today a few choice words spoken
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Post by cmonsalop on Aug 29, 2015 20:30:27 GMT 1
So most of our players had 90/120 minutes on Tuesday as did Burton,s, was screaming out for fresh legs with 20minutes to go. It was evident that hasselbank changed the game with his subs, as we created next to nothing after his first sub, which pushed us back into our half. What is the point of like for like striker subs when it's blindingly obvious wr can't put a decent ball into the box for them. Every time Brown put a cross in it went straight to their keeper I haven't checked but according to a poster on Burton's forum they expected us to tire as most of our players played Tuesday whereas theirs didn't
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Post by callum on Aug 29, 2015 20:50:15 GMT 1
Surely a professional footballer should be able to play 210 minutes in a week?
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Post by victorsboots on Aug 29, 2015 21:22:15 GMT 1
I would imagine we're the bottom of the league for shots on target so far. Lots of improvements required not sure we've got the capacity to improve much more than today.
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Post by dooble78 on Aug 29, 2015 22:01:08 GMT 1
Everybody on here posting that they are concerned need to have a word with them selves it is early days MM does need to mix it up a bit ie Whalley Clark Lawrence was puffing out of his arse today after 30 is it just me or has Lawrence put on a bit of timber we should be a completely different team when wesolowski and nkp come back really unconvinced on sadler lack of pace doesn't get forward and no sence of awareness of what is around him hence the goal MM has got a problem up front can u leave out collins the best striker but with lack of service he looks bad barnett jllaa and Mcalinden nor to shore on him yet time will tell we will be fine in mellon we trust floreat salopia for ever ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 22:05:34 GMT 1
pretty clueless manager as far as I'm concerned, makes you wonder why Fleetwood got rid of him before they went up Really?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 22:07:51 GMT 1
First time I've seen Mickey rattled. Ranting at the fourth official and the useless Lino, and arguing with supporters and telling them to "shut up", is not the cleverest thing he'll ever do in his career. He was spot on to have a go at that supporter.
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Post by Jonah on Aug 29, 2015 22:25:54 GMT 1
First time I've seen Mickey rattled. Ranting at the fourth official and the useless Lino, and arguing with supporters and telling them to "shut up", is not the cleverest thing he'll ever do in his career. He was spot on to have a go at that supporter. Criticising fans wasn't the cleverest thing Paul Simpson did either. There again were is he now?
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Post by Pilch on Aug 29, 2015 22:34:52 GMT 1
not missed a league game yet and i feel out of the five this is one we should feel like we should have won
millwall i think we should have lost bradford again maybe a lose chesterfield should have been a hefty defeat oldham we woke up second half and maybe could have edged it today was 3 points just sitting there waiting for us to collect, and we left them all there, disappointing to say the least
2 points from 15 and perhaps just about what we deserve, maybe 6 or 7 had we been fortunate
a long season ahead and a struggle
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Post by didntwantosignup on Aug 29, 2015 23:07:21 GMT 1
Supporter shouted at by MM always shouting out meaningless criticism. Told by MM to shut up and start supporting the team Fully justified. MD continued absence due to analysis of last seasons games , found to be culpable for about 29 goals. Not good for a defender
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 29, 2015 23:45:08 GMT 1
Supporter shouted at by MM always shouting out meaningless criticism. Told by MM to shut up and start supporting the team Fully justified. MD continued absence due to analysis of last seasons games , found to be culpable for about 29 goals. Not good for a defender Only the 29? As much as I agree he can't defend for toffee... It seems Sadler is already on target to smash that figure
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