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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 3, 2015 16:27:55 GMT 1
“If they signed non-contract and then suffered a serious injury on Saturday and it put them out for the season, they’re not being paid any anyone."
Totally sounds fair to be honest.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2015 16:28:48 GMT 1
And this sort of talk only encourages the likes of Swindon, Bradford City and even Burnley to put in low bids for our players knowing the mess we are in.
I also suspect that the agents of MD and SV know they've got us over a barrel and will be looking for a pay off for their clients, whereupon they'll do what Marc Pugh did and sign elsewhere. But not before they are paid off!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:28:40 GMT 1
What a total and utter shambles....
The club is well and truly making a pigs ear of all this just days before the start of the new season.
I don't think it's fair either to point the finger at Mickey Demetriou and Scott Vernon, not their fault that the club finds itself in this position at this stage of the season.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 3, 2015 16:29:48 GMT 1
so back 4 of Tootle, Goldson, Ellis and Sadler putting in extra training this week to ensure we are ready for Saturday
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 3, 2015 16:31:40 GMT 1
though if we could only get one signed this week, go for Grandison to ensure we've enough cover in defence.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 3, 2015 16:32:41 GMT 1
Also shows what decent guys JLAA and JG are sticking around this long, can't be easy for the guys who no doubt have bills to pay etc.
In a world of players like Ginnelly these two have been a class act through this.
Doubt the guys have millions in the bank (never know!) but no fair play to both of them.
Even if they do leave (hope they don't!) then will always get a cheer and clap from me if we see them at the GM playing against us.
If stay and sign then their loyalty won't be forgotten by me.
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Post by billynomates on Aug 3, 2015 16:43:51 GMT 1
Also shows what decent guys JLAA and JG are sticking around this long, can't be easy for the guys who no doubt have bills to pay etc. In a world of players like Ginnelly these two have been a class act through this. Extremely good of them, if they priced themselves out of a move or STFC contract offer they really havent got too much choice have they?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2015 16:45:08 GMT 1
MD, SV and JC are clearly going nowhere until they are paid off. Not rocket science. MW just hoping they'll go somewhere by Friday isn't taking stock of reality. Why should they? They know that effectively they have the Club over a barrel.
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Post by al36shrew on Aug 3, 2015 16:46:53 GMT 1
Oh dear what a messhttp://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/08/03/matt-williams-trio-stay-looks-unlikely/
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 3, 2015 16:48:19 GMT 1
MD, SV and JC are clearly going nowhere until they are paid off. Not rocket science. MW just hoping they'll go somewhere by Friday isn't taking stock of reality. Why should they? They know that effectively they have the Club over a barrel. SV came down from Aberdeen, which suggests to me his 'package' is a decent one to make a move from Scotland down here.
He will be the hardest to shift no doubt, JC still young and if no decent offers could drop to part time in Non League world.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 3, 2015 16:53:23 GMT 1
Maybe a sheepish phone call to leeds is needed to accept leeds offer for goldson...
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Post by clive on Aug 3, 2015 17:28:55 GMT 1
I don't blame the players for not going at all they have families to look after I thought Mellon would of learnt after the cock up at Barnsley with flit croft They signed several players on stupid money and contracts players who flopped when Wilson came in his hands were tied he could not shift them leaving the club in a real mess I know the players want the best deals we all do but I think vernon will just sit in the reserves till Easter before he starts looking No player will sign on a contract of less than a year if the get injured in the first game they are unemployed a non starter so I feel both will have to leave
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Post by twoleftfeet on Aug 3, 2015 17:29:48 GMT 1
I don't understand all this talk of the club being in a "mess". I'm pretty sure no one knows the ins and outs or what the club and the players involved have planned out, which to be honest must be something half decent for them both to be still here when the apparently not being paid
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 3, 2015 17:39:41 GMT 1
And this sort of talk only encourages the likes of Swindon, Bradford City and even Burnley to put in low bids for our players knowing the mess we are in. I also suspect that the agents of MD and SV know they've got us over a barrel and will be looking for a pay off for their clients, whereupon they'll do what Marc Pugh did and sign elsewhere. But not before they are paid off! We're not in a mess. It's just the RW cautious route. We'll be the only club worrying to the penny what we spend as to not breach the rules. As we know the rules are flexible and budgets movable dependant on income which is estimated. We are 1 of a handfull of clubs that own their own ground and have money in the bank so just speculate a little that gates will be better than forecast, commercial revenue will be better than forecast or at sometime this season we'll sell a player. we don't have to complete the deal before the season starts just has to be concluded during the season Look at QPR made a mockery and due a ?£60m? fine but refused to pay as they became a premiership club. Have they paid up now? Doub't it they were appealing but not sure of the outcome P.S i'm not suggesting we break the bank
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 3, 2015 17:45:20 GMT 1
One final attempt by MW to get them to lower their demands me thinks. The two of them haven't stuck around for so long without some form of guarentee they'll get contracts here. Both will sign
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 3, 2015 17:49:32 GMT 1
If it was down to me I'd just take the Ginnelly deal and get Grandison signed up, then figure out how to get JlAA in once that's done.
I think strengthening the defence is more urgent so Jermaine would be my priority at this point.
Reading through the article in the star doesn't paint a pretty picture. How can Mansfield be trying to get Caton on loan without paying anything towards it!? Chancers or what??
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 3, 2015 17:50:45 GMT 1
One final attempt by MW to get them to lower their demands me thinks. The two of them haven't stuck around for so long without some form of guarentee they'll get contracts here. Both will sign Hope you are right!!
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 3, 2015 18:09:06 GMT 1
Why would two players seemly depend heavily on shrewsbury for a contract, though they've kept fit by playing games and take part in the photo shoot and also why would the club include them in the photo shoot unless there's a chance they can be signed.
Don't normally include unsigned players in photo shoot.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 3, 2015 19:01:20 GMT 1
Article is pretty much painting some poor planning & organisation by all parties. Ones I feel most sorry for is MD who played all season in a promotion winning side and is still in contract, hasn't done a lot wrong, but is sort of painted as the bad guy for not ripping up his contract.
Another thing that I dont get. We've spent all of our preseason getting 2 players match fit when we can't sign them up. That game time could have gone instead to the players that will be involved and we can pick on Saturday. Who is going to be on the left wing / second striker role if its not jlaa? Could have been someone building up an understanding with Collins / Barnett rather than a player we can't sign.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 3, 2015 20:32:09 GMT 1
The one I feel least sorry for is MD.
Town gave him league football for the first time and he hasn't had to come that far from Kiddy... Turning down Camebridge and another, or others seems daft to me when the only other option is hanging around here waiting to be sent out on loan...
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 6:38:18 GMT 1
The one I feel least sorry for is MD. Town gave him league football for the first time and he hasn't had to come that far from Kiddy... Turning down Camebridge and another, or others seems daft to me when the only other option is hanging around here waiting to be sent out on loan... He's almost certainly waiting for a pay off. THEN he'll sign for Cambridge or another Club. And to be honest, why should Gayle and Vincent have the benefit of being paid off, whilst we are hoping that MD and SV will voluntarily go elsewhere by Friday without a penny? It's not being realistic.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 4, 2015 7:48:56 GMT 1
I've no idea why we've drawn out the 'really need them, but can't afford them' story in the press for so long.
How awkward was the team photo with unsigned players we want alongside contracted players we don't.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 7:56:31 GMT 1
I've no idea why we've drawn out the 'really need them, but can't afford them' story in the press for so long. How awkward was the team photo with unsigned players we want alongside contracted players we don't. Or, as others have said, apparently taking different photos, some with both of them in it, some with one of them in it, some with none of them in it. Yet all pics include MD, SV and JC. Lunacy.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 4, 2015 8:14:02 GMT 1
The one I feel least sorry for is MD. Town gave him league football for the first time and he hasn't had to come that far from Kiddy... Turning down Camebridge and another, or others seems daft to me when the only other option is hanging around here waiting to be sent out on loan... He's almost certainly waiting for a pay off. THEN he'll sign for Cambridge or another Club. And to be honest, why should Gayle and Vincent have the benefit of being paid off, whilst we are hoping that MD and SV will voluntarily go elsewhere by Friday without a penny? It's not being realistic. Are we certain they weren't offered similar pay offs initially? Who knows? Who knows anything?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 4, 2015 8:46:46 GMT 1
Of course we really know nothing for fact. But even taking into account only what is in the press, at the moment everything looks to be shambolic. Does nothing ever change at STFC? What is the common denominator? Are other clubs as bad?
Who knows the answers!! All we can hope for is a speedy solution so we can all concentrate on Saturday!!!!
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 4, 2015 9:07:58 GMT 1
Of course we really know nothing for fact. But even taking into account only what is in the press, at the moment everything looks to be shambolic. Does nothing ever change at STFC? What is the common denominator? Are other clubs as bad? Who knows the answers!! All we can hope for is a speedy solution so we can all concentrate on Saturday!!!! Don't think that we have helped ourselves this time by having a management team that are more media friendly and always happy to give a quote. There where times in the distant past when we hardly knew anything about our new signings until we saw them in a Salop shirt on match days. Lets just hope that we can get this resolved quickly
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 4, 2015 9:19:38 GMT 1
When the news was first reported about the budget being tight MW was also looking for further investment into the club; I guess through new board members, sponsorship deals – which we’ve seen announced with the new Bandara Stand and continued investment from Salop Leisure, yet it is seemly not enough…in particular the lack of new board members.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 4, 2015 9:37:43 GMT 1
When the news was first reported about the budget being tight MW was also looking for further investment into the club; I guess through new board members, sponsorship deals – which we’ve seen announced with the new Bandara Stand and continued investment from Salop Leisure, yet it is seemly not enough…in particular the lack of new board members. Also at the FP MW confirmed that the sale of advertising boards around the ground was being done by a third party company who would 'sell the lot' unlike our in-house commercial dept that managed 3 West Stand facing boards last season. So an increase in revenue? Be interesting to see if they're all taken up....
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 10:07:08 GMT 1
When the news was first reported about the budget being tight MW was also looking for further investment into the club; I guess through new board members, sponsorship deals – which we’ve seen announced with the new Bandara Stand and continued investment from Salop Leisure, yet it is seemly not enough…in particular the lack of new board members. I think RW seems quite comfortable with a Board of two plus the Associate Directors. Sayfritz has been gone a long time. Poole and Passant even longer.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 4, 2015 10:09:58 GMT 1
When the news was first reported about the budget being tight MW was also looking for further investment into the club; I guess through new board members, sponsorship deals – which we’ve seen announced with the new Bandara Stand and continued investment from Salop Leisure, yet it is seemly not enough…in particular the lack of new board members. I think RW seems quite comfortable with a Board of two plus the Associate Directors. Sayfritz has been gone a long time. Poole and Passant even longer. but if the club needs more investment on a bigger scale, don't we need to increase number of board members?
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