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Post by bizzylad on Jul 3, 2015 19:41:05 GMT 1
Agreed huge overreation .. good luck to the young lad if he wants to move on ... Young footballers n agents are a bad mix tho ... Best of luck in the future Josh ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 19:43:32 GMT 1
Using 'normal world' standards his behaviour is pretty poor, but football is generally pretty ruthless in all directions so we probably shouldn't judge it quite the same. That said, unless he's training with another club he's pretty daft not to be getting a decent preseason under his belt in his first season as a pro. If he signs I'm sure all will be forgiven but I suspect he won't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 20:09:39 GMT 1
Agreed huge overreation .. good luck to the young lad if he wants to move on ... Young footballers n agents are a bad mix tho ... Best of luck in the future Josh ... I don't agree Bizzy, how many first team appearances has he made 2,3 and he is hardly endearing himself in the way he conducts himself! The lad has achieved nothing yet and his attitude suggests he probably won't!
It will be interesting to see what progress his career has made in 12 months time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 20:27:45 GMT 1
No one player will ever be bigger than our club, especially someone who has yet to show that he has what it takes to succeed in the football league. Is he being badly advised, who knows, time will tell.
All I would say is that manners don't cost anything and the least he could do would be to communicate his intentions to the club, be it a short and sweet "I'm off, see you". Football is a man's game, act like one.
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Post by Liam on Jul 3, 2015 20:27:59 GMT 1
Jesus, chill out.
Literally 2 days ago the club out of the blue binned off a junior member of staff, who was under contract and who'd been an important team player last season, on the the basis that they'd opportunistically signed what they thought were better staff behind his back whilst he was away on holiday.
The general consensus on here, as I recall, was that that was the right thing to do. For what it's worth I agree with that consensus - Tootle and Ogogo are better players than Gayle, and right back was a weak area last season. Well done to MM and MW and good luck to Gayle.
Still, imagine if that second paragraph I wrote applied to you - you wouldn't be happy, would you? Like Bizzy says though, that's football. Players are regularly discarded, and yet they have the right to do the same to clubs. Fair enough. If Ginelly goes then let's be happy we got some money for him and move on. It's not like he was central to our plans this season anyway.
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Post by Bordershrew on Jul 3, 2015 20:35:26 GMT 1
I don't think the issue is with him going, it's with him not getting in touch with the club and outlining his plans. Obviously this has a knock on to both parties moving forward and for the club bringing in a replacement.
I'm sure Gayle was communicated with throughout his release so I don't get the comparison?
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Post by Liam on Jul 3, 2015 20:44:43 GMT 1
I don't think the issue is with him going, it's with him not getting in touch with the club and outlining his plans. Obviously this has a knock on to both parties moving forward and for the club bringing in a replacement. I'm sure Gayle was communicated with throughout his release so I don't get the comparison? Gayle may or may not have been warned that his place was under the threat over the summer. If he was, then I'm sure it didn't do wonders for the enjoyment of his holiday! Let's be honest, when you're on the beach a phone call with the threat of looming redundancy isn't the perfect relaxant. His tweet of " disgusting behaviour" shortly before his release was publicly announced implies that he wasn't given much warning, incidentally. Regardless, the club is well run atm and probably behaved better towards him than Ginelly has to the club by saying nowt. I still think the anger directed at Ginelly is way OTT. He's a kid, it's a cutthroat business, and the situation hasn't even been resolved yet!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 22:01:03 GMT 1
When comparing him to Woods & Goldson, the difference is I don't feel Ginnelly is anywhere near the first team like Woods and Goldson were when they re-signed.
I think the lad certainly believes in himself though....maybe a little too much?
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 3, 2015 22:20:03 GMT 1
I don't think the issue is with him going, it's with him not getting in touch with the club and outlining his plans. Obviously this has a knock on to both parties moving forward and for the club bringing in a replacement. I'm sure Gayle was communicated with throughout his release so I don't get the comparison? Absolutely. I hesitate to remind everyone but look how we were stuck finding another striker when James Collins and/or his agent didn't reply to GT. It's just courtesy and however old fashioned I may be it's what I believe in.
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Post by Dale on Jul 3, 2015 22:20:24 GMT 1
Agreed huge overreation .. good luck to the young lad if he wants to move on ... Young footballers n agents are a bad mix tho ... Best of luck in the future Josh ... In life most of us will look for another employer at some point, however it does feel a couple of years too early for Ginnelly to earn his 'dream move' but it will be interesting to see where he does end up, I'd be surprised if he stayed with us now but the boy needs to show a bit of class and at least pick up the phone to MM if he has no intention of resigning for us.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 3, 2015 22:47:33 GMT 1
Josh is an excellent footballer. Fantastic talent. Shame he's going.
Come to papa.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 3, 2015 22:56:03 GMT 1
Reading between the lines, I'd reckon that Ginnelly now hasn't the slightest intention of signing for us.
Having left MM guessing as to where he is and abandoning his former team mates in pre season training, I'd hazard a guess that he now wouldn't be over popular when he next stuck his head round the dressing room door.You can't have 18 year olds treating MM and MW with such disrespect that they don't even warrant the courtesy of a phone call.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 14:52:47 GMT 1
We definitely need some football to talk about. Amazing how young Josh Ginnelly's character and attitude is being questioned, based on little more than a few soundbites from MM's interviews. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I can't remember Ginnelly saying anything over the Summer, so we have only heard one side of the story. Mangan used the Press a couple of weeks ago to state how much he wanted to sign for us and was hailed for his loyalty. Two weeks on, he's signed for someone else... IMO all our out of contract players were interested in resigning, but we're not offering very much, so why shouldn't keep looking around... especially if they have interest elsewhere. As for the pre season training no show... shock, horror, player no longer employed by a company, doesn't show up for work
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Post by bizzylad on Jul 4, 2015 17:55:35 GMT 1
Hes been offered a p**s poor deal in which hes told salop to f*** off... Lets move on please
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 18:05:22 GMT 1
I'm sure the two deals that were offered were appropriate to an untried 18 year old player.
But you're right time to move on.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 4, 2015 18:32:32 GMT 1
Hes been offered a p**s poor deal in which hes told salop to f*** off... Lets move on please He's 18... he gets offered what he has earned. Nowt.
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Post by TheFoz on Jul 4, 2015 19:40:41 GMT 1
Didn't the lad scored 20ish goals in the reserves from the wing?
I bet he was wondering what more he could do to get more than a couple of cameo appearances.
My gut feeling is saying this lad wants first team football here but MM has refused to promise that to him. Maybe even a loan out to a League Two/Conference side has been suggested if he does sign? (Judging from MM quotes saying a few aren't ready for League One yet).
I do hope he signs, it'd be a real shame to lose such a promising talent.
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Post by heavyglow on Jul 4, 2015 19:45:56 GMT 1
Total over reaction on here. The lad has no contract with us so his free to do as he sees fit. True but what does it take to make a phone call?. In my opinion to make a phone call you need a phone which can be mobile or landline, the other persons number and some credit on your phone,, that is my opinion
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 4, 2015 20:58:19 GMT 1
We really need to put ourselves in the lads shoes....
Can you imagine what the sales pitch from (possibly) Newcastle, Celtic, Rangers etc would be? Incredible training facilities, household names as coaches and a lifestyle/status beyond he could have ever hoped for.
Armed with an agent whose manta will be 'You only get one shot at this son...' then we can only expect the lads head will be complete mince right now.
Should he have updated the club? Yes I think so. Unfortunately the lad is being 'advised' by more 'experienced' football people at the moment. I only hope, whatever the outcome, he lands on his feet.
Good luck son.
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Post by lenny on Jul 4, 2015 21:25:51 GMT 1
Hes been offered a p**s poor deal in which hes told salop to f*** off... Lets move on please He's 18... he gets offered what he has earned. Nowt. So should we all offer youth players low contracts? It's a deal based largely on potential, which he has in spades. He's been by far and away the best player in our youth team for the last year or two, performed well for the reserves and still, as has been often pointed out, only made a couple of appearances from the bench. Sure he'll want more than that, it's not just going to be about money. I'm still yet to see any convincing reason as to why staying here is the best thing for his development. I'd like to think that it is, but there's absolutely no guarantee and he'd probably get as much game time at a Championship club. I agree that he should have told the club where he's at - he evidently hasn't made a decision yet, so can't tell the club he's off - but Connor did the same last season. He hadn't proved himself by that stage - half a season at CB (alongside Mkandawire) in a team that won twice and got relegated was hardly convincing. Love him and had absolutely nothing against him at the time, either. Does 40-odd games and one spell in the first team mean he had the right not to tell the club he was still not decided (which does nothing for the club, and is a mere courtesy)? Also, why should a month definitely be enough time for him? It's the biggest decision of his life and could define his career. Ultimately, it doesn't make that much difference to the club (because what he's been offered won't exactly eat much into his budget) and we can always provisionally offer players contracts and pull the plug if all the out of contract players stay.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 4, 2015 22:23:32 GMT 1
Clearly??? From what I hear he's a decent lad with a good attitude. He is also blessed with considerable talent. The anger and bitterness displayed on this thread is pretty embarrasing. As for the 'leg break' comment.... Nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 22:48:51 GMT 1
Clearly??? From what I hear he's a decent lad with a good attitude. He is also blessed with considerable talent. The anger and bitterness displayed on this thread is pretty embarrasing. As for the 'leg break' comment.... Nice. Think you have read something into that which is' nt there. As Kuffdam said, a career can be short lived and players are one injury away from " s**tsville" as he puts it. The lad was wished good luck, or in theatre land parlance " break a leg" which is preferred to good luck , which is considered unlucky. Quite clever in my book, but no bad intent meant. More a play on words. Chill.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 4, 2015 23:00:21 GMT 1
Still absolutely shocking behaviour to leave MM guessing as to what's going on. A phone call from either Ginnelly or his agent would have sufficed.
'Decent lads' should be capable of exhibiting some courtesy to the Club.
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Post by lenny on Jul 4, 2015 23:21:48 GMT 1
Still absolutely shocking behaviour to leave MM guessing as to what's going on. A phone call from either Ginnelly or his agent would have sufficed. 'Decent lads' should be capable of exhibiting some courtesy to the Club. Agree with that - while it wouldn't make any difference, it's just the right thing to do; courtesy is the right word. Still, though, it's also exactly what Goldson did last year and look how much we all love him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 7:08:09 GMT 1
We really need to put ourselves in the lads shoes.... Can you imagine what the sales pitch from (possibly) Newcastle, Celtic, Rangers etc would be? Incredible training facilities, household names as coaches and a lifestyle/status beyond he could have ever hoped for. Armed with an agent whose manta will be 'You only get one shot at this son...' then we can only expect the lads head will be complete mince right now. Should he have updated the club? Yes I think so. Unfortunately the lad is being 'advised' by more 'experienced' football people at the moment. I only hope, whatever the outcome, he lands on his feet. Good luck son. He'll be loaned out to lower league clubs with poor facilities and, by your definition, coached by ex - lower league no mark players. In which case he may as well stay here.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 5, 2015 9:08:21 GMT 1
Still absolutely shocking behaviour to leave MM guessing as to what's going on. A phone call from either Ginnelly or his agent would have sufficed. 'Decent lads' should be capable of exhibiting some courtesy to the Club. Agree with that - while it wouldn't make any difference, it's just the right thing to do; courtesy is the right word. Still, though, it's also exactly what Goldson did last year and look how much we all love him. True. But had the feeling (and the memory isn't what it used to be) that Connor did keep in touch even if it was only to say I haven't made my mind up yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:31:31 GMT 1
Why does everyone think he will be better off staying here?? sometimes people arrogance and belief is that all things good in football are alive at STFC. We have seen how ruthless as a club we can be, and how poor we can look after players.
have no issues with him looking for employment elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:47:21 GMT 1
Why does everyone think he will be better off staying here?? sometimes people arrogance and belief is that all things good in football are alive at STFC. We have seen how ruthless as a club we can be, and how poor we can look after players. have no issues with him looking for employment elsewhere. Fans thinking their club is a better proposition than other clubs shocker We arent perfect and clearly the way we are looking to get rid of players from last season shows we are ruthless and hypocritical to expect players to show loyalty towards us. I have no issues with the lad looking elsewhere, my issue just like it was with the likes of Collins & Grandison previously was they strung the club along and surely can have the decency to pick up the phone and say "I'm looking at all my offers and will make a decision by x". But of course we as football fans are hypocrites and should we sign some young prodigy who has done exactly the same to his club as Josh has done with us then we wouldnt bat an eyelid.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 5, 2015 19:43:47 GMT 1
Good post PS, however an agent will do his best to get the best deal for his client and himself. It seems that setting a deadline or managing the expectations of the player's current club is away down the list of priorities for most agents. We've seen this occur almost every pre-season. When are folks going to wise up and realise this is how football works....
Now lets have a look a young 16yr lad from Belfast. He's been with the cities biggest club Linfield since he was a young boy. Regarded as the clubs brightest prospect and already represented his country 15 times at youth level. Linfield fans were gutted last month to learn that the lad has been 'poached' by an English football league side.... Now I wonder how that deal came about??
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Post by eggyshrew on Jul 6, 2015 11:37:46 GMT 1
If you where not going into work you would phone up and tell them or you would either have a warning or you be out the door. Same at school as a junior your taught that if you fail to attend you where disciplined unless you have a perfectly good reason which you could back up or you sent a letter from your parents explaining why.
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