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Post by Steve Rogerson on Oct 26, 2014 11:49:16 GMT 1
There will be a depleted grid on Sunday 2 November 2014 as the Formula One racing teams line up for the American Grand Prix in Austin, Texas. Both the Caterham and Marussia teams will be absent, reducing the number of cars from a full grid of 22 to just 18. Caterham went into administration last week and have... If you want to see the rest of my preview of the American Grand Prix, please follow the link below: American Grand Prix preview
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:21:10 GMT 1
Think these threads should now be stopped by the MODS, was talked about a Cpl of years ago, but the point was that the originator was an active member of the board and contributed bits and pieces, now he does not and they are just spam that should be banned
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:27:14 GMT 1
Think these threads should now be stopped by the MODS, was talked about a Cpl of years ago, but the point was that the originator was an active member of the board and contributed bits and pieces, now he does not and they are just spam that should be banned Fair point. does the OP receive any payment should anyone visit his site via his link?
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Post by shrewinjapan on Oct 26, 2014 14:52:35 GMT 1
Think these threads should now be stopped by the MODS, was talked about a Cpl of years ago, but the point was that the originator was an active member of the board and contributed bits and pieces, now he does not and they are just spam that should be banned Don't know why these threads bother you so much Downie, but you have consistently taken offence at them. I don't see any compelling reason for the mods to ban them - pointless and dull though they surely are, they are infrequent, are not malicious or harmful, are clearly titled and are easily ignored. Yes, you could say they are spam of sorts, but not of the type posted by spambots that try and direct traffic to dubious websites trying to sell stuff or scam people. Recently nobody pays them any mind and they soon drop down the board. If Steve wants to waste his time posting them then let him.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Oct 26, 2014 20:08:59 GMT 1
Think these threads should now be stopped by the MODS, was talked about a Cpl of years ago, but the point was that the originator was an active member of the board and contributed bits and pieces, now he does not and they are just spam that should be banned Fair point. does the OP receive any payment should anyone visit his site via his link? As I actually own the site, there is no-one to pay me.
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Post by onthepitch on Oct 26, 2014 20:47:59 GMT 1
We haven't had a poll in a while?
Put it to a vote maybe? ;P
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Post by buryshrew on Oct 26, 2014 21:13:55 GMT 1
Fair point. does the OP receive any payment should anyone visit his site via his link? As I actually own the site, there is no-one to pay me. So you don't sell banner ad space based on traffic, or make anything from click throughs? Not that I care either way personally, just saying like!
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Oct 27, 2014 11:57:39 GMT 1
As I actually own the site, there is no-one to pay me. So you don't sell banner ad space based on traffic, or make anything from click throughs? Not that I care either way personally, just saying like! I sell ad space based on the electronics part of the site, as found in the news, features and products tabs, and on the home page. I don't sell against the grand prix previews as that is more hobby for me rather than work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 14:16:13 GMT 1
F1's shot itself in the foot. It chased the SKY £££ believing it would still attract enough viewing figures to justify the sale. Audience figures have been decimated and the Millions of pounds worth of free exposure sponsors got courtesy of the free to watch BBC was lost.
It then ruined the spectacle by making overtaking to easy with DRS for following cars. Then they forced Drivers to conserve the Cars and look after there parts so encouraging those out of the points or with a large gap's between cars to no longer ''race'' and save the engines's etc. Last Season the Tyre's degraded so quickly that it forced exciting Drivers such as Lewis Hamilton to withhold there instincts as saving Tyre's and timing Pit Stop's was more beneficial than chasing down an opponent. If they slow the Cars down anymore then it will cease to be the pinnacle of Motorsport. The procession of Michael Schumacher winning everything at the turn of the century was a catalyst for many changes in F1 to help the rest ''bridge the gap''. But at least Cars and Drivers could go ''flat out'' to try and catch up and overtaking was more of a spectacle when it occurred. We don't see anything different today in terms of dominant teams and drivers, with Red Bull in the last 4 and Mercedes this it seems if you have the resources to concentrate on the current and next season you will stay at the top, constantly changing the rules to help the smaller teams catch up is contradictory in it's attempts, as it takes them far longer to adapt to the new regulations and has led to them either giving up after 1/3-2/3 of the current season too move resources to next seasons car design or give up completely.
Money from Sponsors is the key to F1 if they are not getting the exposure due to poor TV times, GP's in the Middle East that no one goes to watch then they will leave. Lack of exposure is also of detriment to the competition. Car companies left in droves in the 00's and has left us with a couple of engine suppliers and ''Feeder Teams'' for the big boy's. Even a company the size of Toyota couldn't see the benefit of staying in F1 so why would any other big business?
F1 wiil either return to a ''cottage industry'' with a few wealthy backers funding enthusiasts and ''pay to drive'' drivers who are trying to compete with Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes. Or it will go the way of the WRC where even when it's on your doorstep you hardly notice it. The longer it stays on SKY the harder it'll be to gain audiences and new fan's. Boxing is a prime example of how a ''TV Sport'' severely restricting the viewers in watching it will lead to a lack of interest and in turn talent coming into the sport.
Moto GP be warned!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 14:22:13 GMT 1
So you don't sell banner ad space based on traffic, or make anything from click throughs? Not that I care either way personally, just saying like! I sell ad space based on the electronics part of the site, as found in the news, features and products tabs, and on the home page. I don't sell against the grand prix previews as that is more hobby for me rather than work. thanks for the clarification.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Oct 27, 2014 14:23:12 GMT 1
Don't really think sky f1 has anything to do with it when you consider there's 1 billion TV sets in India alone I think the uk coverage has little to do with f1 economics
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 14:58:58 GMT 1
Don't really think sky f1 has anything to do with it when you consider there's 1 billion TV sets in India alone I think the uk coverage has little to do with f1 economics No why's it gone so s**t since it went on SKY? Do Indians even care for F1? And European GP'S are always more exciting than the bland identical new tracks. China doesn't care for F1 and cannot even fill the Stand's when it's next to a 24,000,000 City with wealth. Putting F1 on at silly times puts viewers off in the whole of Europe(where the consumers/viewers with money live) Those in India and China with money are doing far better things on a Sunday afternoon than trying to ''get in'' to F1. All the Middle-East has to offer is fabulous wealthy individuals who just want to spend money on a circuit which Bernie Eccleston will bend over backwards for. The GP's there are dull bland and empty of spectators.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Oct 27, 2014 15:03:59 GMT 1
F1's shot itself in the foot. It chased the SKY £££ believing it would still attract enough viewing figures to justify the sale. Audience figures have been decimated and the Millions of pounds worth of free exposure sponsors got courtesy of the free to watch BBC was lost. It then ruined the spectacle by making overtaking to easy with DRS for following cars. Then they forced Drivers to conserve the Cars and look after there parts so encouraging those out of the points or with a large gap's between cars to no longer ''race'' and save the engines's etc. Last Season the Tyre's degraded so quickly that it forced exciting Drivers such as Lewis Hamilton to withhold there instincts as saving Tyre's and timing Pit Stop's was more beneficial than chasing down an opponent. If they slow the Cars down anymore then it will cease to be the pinnacle of Motorsport. The procession of Michael Schumacher winning everything at the turn of the century was a catalyst for many changes in F1 to help the rest ''bridge the gap''. But at least Cars and Drivers could go ''flat out'' to try and catch up and overtaking was more of a spectacle when it occurred. We don't see anything different today in terms of dominant teams and drivers, with Red Bull in the last 4 and Mercedes this it seems if you have the resources to concentrate on the current and next season you will stay at the top, constantly changing the rules to help the smaller teams catch up is contradictory in it's attempts, as it takes them far longer to adapt to the new regulations and has led to them either giving up after 1/3-2/3 of the current season too move resources to next seasons car design or give up completely. Money from Sponsors is the key to F1 if they are not getting the exposure due to poor TV times, GP's in the Middle East that no one goes to watch then they will leave. Lack of exposure is also of detriment to the competition. Car companies left in droves in the 00's and has left us with a couple of engine suppliers and ''Feeder Teams'' for the big boy's. Even a company the size of Toyota couldn't see the benefit of staying in F1 so why would any other big business? F1 wiil either return to a ''cottage industry'' with a few wealthy backers funding enthusiasts and ''pay to drive'' drivers who are trying to compete with Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes. Or it will go the way of the WRC where even when it's on your doorstep you hardly notice it. The longer it stays on SKY the harder it'll be to gain audiences and new fan's. Boxing is a prime example of how a ''TV Sport'' severely restricting the viewers in watching it will lead to a lack of interest and in turn talent coming into the sport. Moto GP be warned!!! to be fair I think you're completely wrong. Drs and tyre management was brought into f1 due to refuelling being banned due to safety. I think sky is good for f1 , they go into a lot more detail than the bbc ever have -and for people it interests it is really good . As for the dominant teams , it happens in all sports due to finance , if you don't like it don't watch! Simple , I don't see you complaining as Shrewsbury town and our big budget walk all over teams such as York City and accrington Stanley . As for Grand prixs in the Middle East , I'm sure the final showdown in Abu Dhabi will be hosted infront of no fans !
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Oct 27, 2014 15:06:54 GMT 1
Don't really think sky f1 has anything to do with it when you consider there's 1 billion TV sets in India alone I think the uk coverage has little to do with f1 economics No why's it gone so s**t since it went on SKY? Do Indians even care for F1? And European GP'S are always more exciting than the bland identical new tracks. China doesn't care for F1 and cannot even fill the Stand's when it's next to a 24,000,000 City with wealth. Putting F1 on at silly times puts viewers off in the whole of Europe(where the consumers/viewers with money live) Those in India and China with money are doing far better things on a Sunday afternoon than trying to ''get in'' to F1. All the Middle-East has to offer is fabulous wealthy individuals who just want to spend money on a circuit which Bernie Eccleston will bend over backwards for. The GP's there are dull bland and empty of spectators. do you know f1 times are at their most sociable to Europe they've ever been? The Australian Grand Prix usd to be 3am , now it's 7 ! Everything is between 6am and 10pm , what's unsociable about that ??
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Oct 27, 2014 19:26:06 GMT 1
Think there's 2 different issues here 1. F1 "gone s**t" (not my words) 2. F1 budgets spiralling out of control making it nie on impossible for a new team to enter ( see; hrt marussia caterham and usf1)
Neither of those issues is anything to do with sky's involvement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:34:45 GMT 1
At times in the recent past F1 has been painfully dull to watch but this season has been excellent viewing and the sky coverage has been fantastic throughout.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Oct 28, 2014 9:14:25 GMT 1
At times in the recent past F1 has been painfully dull to watch but this season has been excellent viewing and the sky coverage has been fantastic throughout. I agree. I watched on of the races earlier in the season on BBC and their coverage is nowhere near as good as Sky's.
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Post by neilsalop on Oct 28, 2014 10:09:10 GMT 1
I quite like F1, but nowhere near as much as I love football, however if I won't get SkySports to watch the footy I'm certainly not going to bother getting it to watch F1. If any sport is on terrestrial TV or free to air cable/ satellite TV I may watch it, but once Sky have got their hooks into it I won't bother. Test cricket sold its' soul to Sky and are they getting anywhere near the ratings that the BBC used to get? Granted the coverage might be better (I wouldn't know as I've never really seen any), but how many people aren't seeing it now that would have seen it on the BBC and possibly would have got more involved by becoming fans, then local players and then .........who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 10:17:17 GMT 1
the originator was an active member of the board and contributed bits and pieces, now he does not and they are just spam that should be banned Hark who's talking!
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Post by mrbunny on Oct 28, 2014 10:23:29 GMT 1
At times in the recent past F1 has been painfully dull to watch but this season has been excellent viewing and the sky coverage has been fantastic throughout. Must admit I have probably watched more of this season than probably any of the last 10 years combined. Much more entertaining this year than in the past. I am not a petrolhead and am confused as to the double points for the last race but this season has been good to watch be it on Sky, BBC or any other online broadcaster.
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Post by davewill on Oct 28, 2014 15:54:02 GMT 1
The problem with F1 as i see it, is that you can put a "good" driver in an excellent car and he will win most races (taking aside any mechanical issues or crashes). You can take an "excellent driver" and put him in a good car, and he will win feck all...
Vettel last season to this, is a prime example..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 2:25:51 GMT 1
''They introduced Tyre Degradation & DRS for safety reasons'' How does Tyre wearing out quicker improve safety? Or letting Cars go faster increase it? I better save that one for PC Plod. SKY may have better coverage but if sod all watches it then Sponsors will pull out and Teams will disband due to the lack of finance. If they are chasing the Indian and Chinese $$$'s then having half the GP'S on at European dinner time and at China's Bedtime isn't going to build up a fan base. I used Boxing as it's a prime example to what happens to a global sport when the audience is priced out of watching it then leads to less participation and a drop in talent. It's not that difficult to work out why their are few good Heavyweight Boxers coming from America anymore since PPV came in.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 29, 2014 8:22:39 GMT 1
Just find it boring cars going around a track again, and again.....
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Oct 29, 2014 8:47:58 GMT 1
''They introduced Tyre Degradation & DRS for safety reasons'' How does Tyre wearing out quicker improve safety? Or letting Cars go faster increase it? I better save that one for PC Plod. SKY may have better coverage but if sod all watches it then Sponsors will pull out and Teams will disband due to the lack of finance. If they are chasing the Indian and Chinese $$$'s then having half the GP'S on at European dinner time and at China's Bedtime isn't going to build up a fan base. I used Boxing as it's a prime example to what happens to a global sport when the audience is priced out of watching it then leads to less participation and a drop in talent. It's not that difficult to work out why their are few good Heavyweight Boxers coming from America anymore since PPV came in. when refuelling was banned (for safety reasons) , Pirelli made tyres that need managing otherwise you would not need a pit stop .and because being in the dirty air makes the tyres not perform , drs was needed .also f1 has more sponsors than ever . Rolex sponsor a lot of Grand Prix , Shell, Santander , tag Hueur. Some of the biggest sponsors in the world
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