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Post by hatterchap on Sept 2, 2014 6:21:23 GMT 1
Hi Guys,
Luton Fan In Peace, first of all well done on a fantastic performance on Saturday..Now onto this abuse thing. I must admit when I was walking up towards the ground on Saturday I got called a few names by a couple of morons which could be deemed as racial. Bearing in mind I'm a white chap, but it was more aimed at the fact I was wearing a luton top. I'm not sure what the complaint is in regard too, but I would imagine it's not just about the songs. I was sitting at the other end so didn't see any of the issues, I heard the passport song, and I must admit I go up and down the country most weeks and haven't heard that in a long long while. May I also add that I had the same things said to me near the train station on the way home but I wouldn't class these people as fans, just a bunch of teenagers thinking that they're funny.
A very small minority always spoil it for the rest of us.. Anyway good luck for the rest of the season guys, and well done on a very deserving win..
All the best.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 2, 2014 6:34:48 GMT 1
Sorry to hear that mate, and apologise on behalf of the decent, right-minded majority of Town fans who will be ashamed of and appalled by such vile and pathetic goading that a small minority of idiots and scumbags amongst our support gave you and your fellow fans. No place for it at all. Hope that in spite of those tw@ts and the result of the game, you were still able to derive some enjoyment from your trip. Good luck for the rest of the season.
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Post by percy on Sept 2, 2014 7:42:42 GMT 1
I'm really sorry to hear that - targetted abuse like that is unacceptable and threatening - I thought we had grown up a bit since the bad old days of the EBF. We need to police ourselves and stop this coming back as we will soon attract the wrong kind of attention and deter the family support which we so badly need.
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Post by hatterchap on Sept 2, 2014 7:57:43 GMT 1
Thanks Guys, as I say I know it's a minority but the minority is what causes the issues. As a luton fan we've suffered with issues with a section of our fans in the past. Hopefully they will find out who caused these issues
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:03:18 GMT 1
I've made no secret of the fact that when I was a teenager in the late 70s early 80s, I used to stand in the riverside with my mates next to the Buffett (at our old ground with our singers) and sing songs as loud as I could that used the N word towards black players, make nazi salutes as easily as I would wave to a friend and make monkey noices every time a black player got the ball (as I'm sure other regulars on B&A did)
It's difficult now to really explain my deep sense of shame, and I squirm when I look back at what an utter little c*** I was and how those people I insulted and humiliated must have been feeling.
We can but pray that one day the kids that abused you feel as s**t about their behaviour as I do about mine.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 2, 2014 10:15:25 GMT 1
I've made secret of the fact that when I was a teenager in the late 70s early 80s, I used to stand in the riverside with my mates next to the Buffett (at our old ground with our singers) and sing songs as loud as I could that used the N word towards black players, make nazi salutes as easily as I would wave to a friend and make monkey notices every time a black player got the ball (as I'm sure other regulars on B&A did) It's difficult now to really explain my deep sense of shame, and I squirm when I look back at what an utter little c*** I was and how those people I insulted and humiliated must have been feeling. We can but pray that one day the kids that abused you feel as s**t about their behaviour as I do about mine. after what you've wrote on the other racism topic having a go at people , and now you've just said this! I cannot believe it ! That is utter disgusting !
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Post by salopsbluearmy on Sept 2, 2014 10:17:41 GMT 1
This is not getting any better for Salop fans is it? The atmosphere was top quality according to some people but unfortunately small minded people in a small group seem to be the usual suspects and it needs to be sorted.
HatterChap on behalf of every other Salop fan we are disgusted by this behaviour and can only apologise on these morons behalf!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:24:10 GMT 1
Will people condemning on B&A be willing to do it without the anonymity it provides. If people fronted and faced these pricks they will back down and be shown for the cowards they are. They are like Sheep they will follow their peers in what they think is cool if there hero gets ''shown up'' they will quiclky become a turncoat. They are hard as **** behind coppers and stewards and a telling off from one gives them a badge to show hard they are. Other than giving them the opportunity to show how tough they are by letting then into the away end. Then the alternative is for the decent Shrewsbury Supporters to round up on them they will backdown quicker than you'd believe, unless of course they are not in the minority.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 2, 2014 10:24:40 GMT 1
That was news to me Matron but that's a brave and honest post. In your defence, it was a different world back then and a lot of what passed as normal would be startling today. That made for a more tolerant (ironically) environment for the stuff you and your mates were doing. I suspect a lot of us have something in our past that would shame us now. I hope your final thought is right - just a pity that anyone would have to go through such a phase at all. I'm curious about you making those monkey notices though - sounds quite sweet!
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Post by venceremos on Sept 2, 2014 10:29:14 GMT 1
I've made secret of the fact that when I was a teenager in the late 70s early 80s, I used to stand in the riverside with my mates next to the Buffett (at our old ground with our singers) and sing songs as loud as I could that used the N word towards black players, make nazi salutes as easily as I would wave to a friend and make monkey notices every time a black player got the ball (as I'm sure other regulars on B&A did) It's difficult now to really explain my deep sense of shame, and I squirm when I look back at what an utter little c*** I was and how those people I insulted and humiliated must have been feeling. We can but pray that one day the kids that abused you feel as s**t about their behaviour as I do about mine. after what you've wrote on the other racism topic having a go at people , and now you've just said this! I cannot believe it ! That is utter disgusting ! Or refreshingly honest, take your pick. He isn't sparing himself from the criticism he might now aim at others, in case you hadn't noticed. And, whilst it was always a bad thing to do, there's even less of an excuse for making racist insults in 2014 than there was in the 1970s. Repenting sinners and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:44:30 GMT 1
We can but pray that one day the kids that abused you feel as s**t about their behaviour as I do about mine. after what you've wrote on the other racism topic having a go at people , and now you've just said this! I cannot believe it ! That is utter disgusting ! For the first time i am going to defend the cross dressing leftie poofter. And think that you are being a bit of a cock, read the last last line, he realises that his behaviour in the past was not the best but has grown up to respect others, you cannot turn back time at make good the mistakes you have made, but use them as a bench mark to progress, and become tolorent.
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Post by percy on Sept 2, 2014 11:55:23 GMT 1
Who can remember the George Berry match ? Different world then.
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 2, 2014 12:11:51 GMT 1
It's sad and embarrassing that not only some of our fans are still behaving like this, but actually think they are being funny as well.
The attitude seems to be: "What's wrong with a bit of casual racism, eh? It's only a bit of banter after all."
The acid test: Go and sing this sort of puerile stuff in Bury Park near the Luton ground at the return match in January and see how funny it is then.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Sept 2, 2014 12:32:28 GMT 1
Yes and it also takes two calling us Welsh Sheeps###ging basturds is also racist and has been proven in a court of law. IMO is far more abusive than curry house and passports. Quoting with have sex with animals to me and associating with the celtic race is racism of the highest order. Don't forget a lot of town fans are from Wales its 10 miles away, some of us that are English will have celtic ancestory, so dont give any crap its not racist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:35:02 GMT 1
Yes and it also takes two calling us Welsh Sheeps###ging basturds is also racist and has been proven in a court of law. IMO is far more abusive than curry house and passports. Having sex with animals to me and associating with the celtic race is racism of the highest order. They're all offensive, they're all sung in a derogatory way and they could all be construed as racist. Lets not try and play one off against the other. In future, if you hear the sheepshagger song as are offended, report it and let the authorities deal with it. If not, stop trying to justify the alleged racist behaviour of some of our so-called fans.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Sept 2, 2014 12:40:37 GMT 1
Yes and it also takes two calling us Welsh Sheeps###ging basturds is also racist and has been proven in a court of law. IMO is far more abusive than curry house and passports. Having sex with animals to me and associating with the celtic race is racism of the highest order. They're all offensive, they're all sung in a derogatory way and they could all be construed as racist. Lets not try and play one off against the other. In future, if you hear the sheepshagger song as are offended, report it and let the authorities deal with it. If not, stop trying to justify the alleged racist behaviour of some of our so-called fans. Im not justifying anything thats been said, im just stating this works both ways. If you are gonna do one do the other as its not fair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:41:41 GMT 1
They're all offensive, they're all sung in a derogatory way and they could all be construed as racist. Lets not try and play one off against the other. In future, if you hear the sheepshagger song as are offended, report it and let the authorities deal with it. If not, stop trying to justify the alleged racist behaviour of some of our so-called fans. Im not justifying anything thats been said, im just stating this works both ways. If you are gonna do one do the other as its not fair. Well there obviously weren't any complaints made about anything Luton fans were supposedly singing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:42:08 GMT 1
If they do can the real fans leave them on their own in Luton? How ''hard'' will they be when the group deserts them? Can you tell them to **** off if they are on your Coach and leave them behind? Who knows they may have to ''bight their tongue'' and ask an Asian for help?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:46:57 GMT 1
They're all offensive, they're all sung in a derogatory way and they could all be construed as racist. Lets not try and play one off against the other. In future, if you hear the sheepshagger song as are offended, report it and let the authorities deal with it. If not, stop trying to justify the alleged racist behaviour of some of our so-called fans. Im not justifying anything thats been said, im just stating this works both ways. If you are gonna do one do the other as its not fair. Then prove that your above them, find something original and witty. Copying or responding in the same manner does not make it acceptable. Imitating the opposition is a form of flattery.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 2, 2014 12:54:54 GMT 1
They're all offensive, they're all sung in a derogatory way and they could all be construed as racist. Lets not try and play one off against the other. In future, if you hear the sheepshagger song as are offended, report it and let the authorities deal with it. If not, stop trying to justify the alleged racist behaviour of some of our so-called fans. Im not justifying anything thats been said, im just stating this works both ways. If you are gonna do one do the other as its not fair. But life is anything but fair. Look at history, look at what is going on in the world today. How much of it is fair? Not a lot and one of the main reasons is intolerance by one group of another. It is only when people don't retaliate, things will get better. Taunts passed at me at football matches really don't bother me - I just have complete contempt for those who utter them and don't presumably know any better. However, how I would feel about this if I were black I just don't know - frightened, apprehensive who knows. I listened to a fascinating interview the other morning with one of the first black players to play over here for WBA. There is a new book out called 'The Three Degrees' about their experiences - good reading for us all perhaps. Just hearing some of the abuse on the radio was sickening. We hope we have all moved on I since then. On another note, and before I shut up, I can only admire Matron for coming on this board and admitting past errors - well done sir - if you only convince one person to follow your lead, you will have done well.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Sept 2, 2014 20:18:12 GMT 1
Luton fans have a history of 'nobbish' behaviour, so before we go out of our way to apologise on behalf of anyone lets agree that every football club has its fair share of morons and that this type of behaviour is the exception not the rule. I look forward to going to Kenilworth Road later in the season. Can you let me know which number house it is where I have to climb over the back fence to get into the away end?
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Post by Stewie Shrew on Sept 2, 2014 20:30:39 GMT 1
Who can remember the George Berry match ? Different world then. That poor bloke some real stick and had a banana thrown onto the pitch too. Sadly looking back I joined in with the horrible chanting too, Oldham's Roger Palmer was another guy who some stick whilst Salop traveled away too. Had hoped days like that had longed since passed in Football in the UK
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Post by jamo on Sept 2, 2014 21:15:32 GMT 1
The attitude seems to be: "What's wrong with a bit of casual racism, eh? It's only a bit of banter after all." Agreed. 'banter' appears to be the comfortable refuge of the apologist.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Sept 2, 2014 21:24:31 GMT 1
The attitude seems to be: "What's wrong with a bit of casual racism, eh? It's only a bit of banter after all." Agreed. 'banter' appears to be the comfortable refuge of the apologist. And what's your take on it pal? Bearing in mind trade unionist history is tarnished with racism among many other immoral practices. And it's clear you haven't moved on from the 80's so I await your response with baited breath
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 3, 2014 5:03:08 GMT 1
Sorry, is the "pal" reference meant for me? I don't know you and certainly judging by your posts, I would never consider you a "pal."
It certainly takes a warped mind indeed to twist a post about racism at football matches into an attack on the trade unions.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 3, 2014 7:16:10 GMT 1
Sorry, is the "pal" reference meant for me? I don't know you and certainly judging by your posts, I would never consider you a "pal." It certainly takes a warped mind indeed to twist a post about racism at football matches into an attack on the trade unions. It's reference meant for Jamo, camden. As is the union reference. Ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 9:50:36 GMT 1
Agreed. 'banter' appears to be the comfortable refuge of the apologist. And what's your take on it pal? Bearing in mind trade unionist history is tarnished with racism among many other immoral practices. And it's clear you haven't moved on from the 80's so I await your response with baited breath Institutional racism was just as much a part of the Trade Union movement as any other British institution. Look at Matron’s honest post - racism was overt everywhere and I remember half the Riverside giving Cyril Regis racial abuse. I was too busy admiring his skills, but I was lucky with my parents and the family history of experiencing racism. Anyway what is often ignored is the battle within the movement to promote racial equality (along with gender, sexuality and disability). This battle was waged from the 60s onward by enlightened members and today the movement is at the forefront of the equality battle. Time has moved on racism isn’t as overt and the way racism is propagated has changed. What is considered racist has changed and that depends on the victim. The other thread is evidence of that.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Sept 4, 2014 12:31:04 GMT 1
Call me old fashioned but for someone to admit that they racially abused someone on the basis of colour or made Nazi saltutes, monkey chants regardless of if football was 'institutionally racist' or 'the culture at the time' is far more deplorable than any of the chants doing the rounds last weekend..
Didn't Rolf Harris make a similar plea in his recent court case?
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 4, 2014 12:45:57 GMT 1
F*** me Leicester, you'd start a row in a trappist monastery.
FFS nursie has had the guts to come on here and admit to some pretty shameful behaviour 30 odd years ago. Yet you are comparing him to Rolf Harris. Get a bloody grip.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Sept 4, 2014 13:17:57 GMT 1
I'm sorry but you can't compare the two.
Perhaps asking someone to show their passports is the modern day PC, pre-watershed version of the types of chants that were being shouted from the terraces in the 1980's. Especially in this modern day, offended by everything culture.
But to me, the 'N' word is perhaps the most inhumane word that has ever been uttered as it implies generations of suffering and promotes racial supremacy. And that's before we even get started on the Nazi salutes.
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