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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 15:55:03 GMT 1
Steven Gerrard retired from internationals today.
Some people putting Hart's name forward to be their new captain. Odds below:
Wayne Rooney 1/3 Gary Cahill 16/5 Joe Hart 6/1 Leighton Baines 16/1 Theo Walcott 16/1 Jordan Henderson 20/1 Phil Jagielka 25/1
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Jul 21, 2014 16:06:07 GMT 1
I am not sure that a goalkeeper is in the best position to be captain. It is a bit hard for him to, say, have a word in the ear of an outfielder if the action is at the other end of the pitch. Also, the captain is meant to be the person who approaches the referee if something needs saying, again a bit awkward for a keeper.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 21, 2014 16:31:05 GMT 1
I tend to agree with Steve about the keeper not being an ideal captain, but looking at that list I can't really see any alternative.
Rooney is no leader IMO, to hit and miss as a player to inspire others. All the others are not even guaranteed a place in the first XI.
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Post by lenny on Jul 21, 2014 16:37:17 GMT 1
Would perhaps expect it to be Cahill. Don't know if that's expect or hope - I really, really wouldn't want Rooney as skipper.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 21, 2014 16:40:30 GMT 1
Just like the cricket team, there is not one decent choice.
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Post by TheFoz on Jul 21, 2014 17:35:38 GMT 1
Could you imagine Rooney delivering an inspirational speech before a game? The bloke can barely string a sentence together.
Gary Cahill for me, 28 years old and will surely be in the starting 11 for Euro 2016.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jul 21, 2014 17:43:46 GMT 1
Hardly anyone to choose from in that list . Who is a gaurenteed starter apart from Cahill hart or Rooney ? Gerrard had 2 more years left in the tank for sure . England team is looking pretty average now !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 17:48:00 GMT 1
Stevnot aen Gerrard retired from internationals today. Some people putting Hart's name forward to be their new captain. Odds below: Wayne Rooney 1/3 Gary Cahill 16/5 Joe Hart 6/1 Leighton Baines 16/1 Theo Walcott 16/1 Jordan Henderson 20/1 Phil Jagielka 25/1 Not a list that fills me with confidence. Some, ( Cahill, Baines, Jagielka, ) will not be having a long international career, Walcott is not captain material, but the one with the experience and would have the backing of the other players is Rooney. Hart would be too busy washing his bloody hair.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 21, 2014 17:49:07 GMT 1
Would think Joe Hart will captain at some point, whether it is long term or whether a keeper is the best position for a captain I'm not sure but think it will happen
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:15:53 GMT 1
Buffon was I taly captain for a long time. Dont see why not. As the swearing at the ball boy clip suggested hes passionate and wants to succeed. Hes a young, long term option who is more reliable and one of few certain starters in the team.
Rooneys age for me and form makes him a silly choice. Cahills not really a leader for me, Jagielka like Rooney is too close to 30. Captain should be a long term choice to lead a new generation of young players coming through.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:58:40 GMT 1
Who cares about having a Captain? What if his form suddenly dips between November and February,He does a ''John Terry'' and his vice Captain get long term injured Why cant they just pick him on a match by match basis?
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Post by buryshrew on Jul 21, 2014 19:01:11 GMT 1
Got to be Joe Hart. He's head and shoulders above the rest.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Jul 21, 2014 19:10:34 GMT 1
Going to be Rooney but id go for Baines or Cahill
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 21, 2014 19:31:14 GMT 1
It's not ideal being the keeper but it's less ideal being any of the other candidates
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 21, 2014 19:31:57 GMT 1
Rooney as bloody captain - heaven help us, no wonder we struggle at International level
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 23:20:00 GMT 1
And Baines has hardly shown he is international caliber. Had a poor world cup like many others.
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Post by camdenshrew on Jul 22, 2014 5:11:17 GMT 1
Thinking about who is going to be the next England captain is the least of the problems the national team has got.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jul 22, 2014 8:25:49 GMT 1
You need more than one leader on that pitch, in all areas. In my opinion the 11 that started the world cup final for us the World Cup any one of those players could have been captain for the way they perform. Just randomly picking a player and saying oh problems are deeper is silly, you still need a captain. But you need far more leaders.
Saying joe hart should be captain because he swears at a ball boy really late on in the game, umm, what? I don't think the leader of gentleman should be swearing at children really. Fact is, you have to find someone inspiring in the next few friendlies or whatever because you can't just pick and go oh three months later someone else can now. A huge uphill struggle, but we had it 10 years ago. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 9:31:44 GMT 1
You need more than one leader on that pitch, in all areas. In my opinion the 11 that started the world cup final for us the World Cup any one of those players could have been captain for the way they perform. Just randomly picking a player and saying oh problems are deeper is silly, you still need a captain. But you need far more leaders. Saying joe hart should be captain because he swears at a ball boy really late on in the game, umm, what? I don't think the leader of gentleman should be swearing at children really. Fact is, you have to find someone inspiring in the next few friendlies or whatever because you can't just pick and go oh three months later someone else can now. A huge uphill struggle, but we had it 10 years ago. Good luck. Im not soley saying that moment. Harts the long term and youthfull option. He is one of few certain players. Cahill, Rooney and Baines are within 2 years of being 30. You would get two championships at best.
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Post by SY3 on Jul 22, 2014 12:23:48 GMT 1
Noooooooooo!!! he's big headed enough.
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Post by supermac11 on Jul 22, 2014 13:09:39 GMT 1
I don't think it really matters that much but Hart would be behind Rooney and Cahill for me. He always looks like he needs to calm down and concentrate on his keeping.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jul 22, 2014 13:37:51 GMT 1
Do you people ever see Rooney? Really how could you consider even that, it's mind blowing. For united maybe sure, but for England when your only success comes against teams like San Marino and get made to look like a pub player the rest of the time and act like a spoilt child who hasn't got a sweet, like, really? If he gets captaincy, don't expect to get anywhere. A player with his attitude should never play football for his country again. So happy I'm not English if I was at all passionate I would be doing what I could to make this not happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 13:49:29 GMT 1
So happy I'm not English if I was at all passionate I would be doing what I could to make this not happen. Not English? Really? Why haven't you mentioned that before?
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Post by franthetownfan on Jul 22, 2014 17:42:15 GMT 1
So happy I'm not English if I was at all passionate I would be doing what I could to make this not happen. Not English? Really? Why haven't you mentioned that before? I presume that was sarcasm. It's very familiar for me seeing my country feeling at the bottom, granted we still made semi-finals and finals. However, you need a fairly similar transition. Be that new captain, new manager cause do you really see Hodgson there in 10 years? Didn't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 19:25:09 GMT 1
Not English? Really? Why haven't you mentioned that before? I presume that was sarcasm. It's very familiar for me seeing my country feeling at the bottom, granted we still made semi-finals and finals. However, you need a fairly similar transition. Be that new captain, new manager cause do you really see Hodgson there in 10 years? Didn't think so. You always go on about how you don't support England, but do you want them to win when they're playing? Not taking the p**s, just intrigued.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jul 22, 2014 19:58:53 GMT 1
I presume that was sarcasm. It's very familiar for me seeing my country feeling at the bottom, granted we still made semi-finals and finals. However, you need a fairly similar transition. Be that new captain, new manager cause do you really see Hodgson there in 10 years? Didn't think so. You always go on about how you don't support England, but do you want them to win when they're playing? Not taking the p**s, just intrigued. Well I don't support England because I'm not English. I'm just suggesting ways in which I believe they could improve. I have never celebrated an English goal.
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Post by buryshrew on Jul 22, 2014 21:13:57 GMT 1
So happy I'm not English if I was at all passionate I would be doing what I could to make this not happen. Not English? Really? Why haven't you mentioned that before? I believe he may have mentioned it in a previous post somewhere. Not sure, but I think so.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jul 22, 2014 21:21:32 GMT 1
I don't think it really matters that much but Hart would be behind Rooney and Cahill for me. He always looks like he needs to calm down and concentrate on his keeping. Agreed. Roy Keane doesn't often get much right, but he called what he perceived to be Joe Hart's 'arrogance' quite early on in his career and I think was fairly spot on in his assumption. Whether it's his own choosing or not, Hart seems to be the mouthpiece for City and England given the opportunity, and watching him line up in the tunnel before one of England's World Cup games shouting over the captain I think proved that he has ideas above his station. He's still a young lad and he's a goalkeeper, and he's shown in the last 12 months or so that he's hardly unflappable at times. You don't see De Gea, Neuer or Mignolet sounding off in the same way. His day as club captain might come but as England captain? God no.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 13:06:38 GMT 1
I don't think it really matters that much but Hart would be behind Rooney and Cahill for me. He always looks like he needs to calm down and concentrate on his keeping. Agreed. Roy Keane doesn't often get much right, but he called what he perceived to be Joe Hart's 'arrogance' quite early on in his career and I think was fairly spot on in his assumption. Whether it's his own choosing or not, Hart seems to be the mouthpiece for City and England given the opportunity, and watching him line up in the tunnel before one of England's World Cup games shouting over the captain I think proved that he has ideas above his station. He's still a young lad and he's a goalkeeper, and he's shown in the last 12 months or so that he's hardly unflappable at times. You don't see De Gea, Neuer or Mignolet sounding off in the same way. His day as club captain might come but as England captain? God no. Interesting viewpoint. Im not sure how shouting down the tunnel is getting idea's above his station or sounding off? Personally I prefer to see a vocal keeper (on and off the pitch) and I think its even more encouraging when you see players who dont go into shell and are not intimidated by big name players, either on their side or not. Ive heard lots of stories about him in recent years, most involve burning money, being big-headed and so on. 10 years ago Id have probably believed them but now I realise there's a lot of jealousy in the world, particularly in small towns like Shrewsbury. Some may well be true but Id wager most are complete lies. One thing Hart definitely hasnt helped himself with is all the commercial stuff, it gives people ammunition to throw at him although in reality it has no bearing on his performances. But when your probably earning £100k a week Id really question why you need to do that sort of stuff. In terms of him being captain, I always like to see a centre half or central midfielder being captain but I dont see England captain material in the likes of Jageilka, Cahill, Wilshire, Henderson etc so Id say its probably between Joe & Rooney simply on the basis that they are likely to be regulars. Pretty sad state of affairs really
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Post by shrewsace on Jul 23, 2014 13:17:52 GMT 1
Cahill is the right choice for me.
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