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Post by stainesr on Oct 4, 2011 13:46:08 GMT 1
Gary Peters is a legend. Simpson is a numpty. I wonder if Simpson applied for the Hereford job too? Would any of you pro Simpson types REALLY have hired Simpson over Peters? I'll never forget the way Peters got all the players fired up over the away game at Wrexham, he really understood the club and its fans. Hereford are going to stay up and I'm pleased we will still get a proper local derby next season. If we are in the same league as Hereford next season then something our end has gone wrong! lol I realised that after I wrote it. Shows you how cynical I have become!
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Oct 4, 2011 14:15:13 GMT 1
I thought (and still do) Gary Peters was the right man when he arrived, and there is little doubt he made the club more professional and regained belief within the club from top to bottom. So in that respect did a great job. However the problem I believe with GP was his ego which was huge, I met him a few times and IMHO it was like he believed he had become bigger than the club, he was very dismissive to the feelings and memories of the fans when we left the old Gay Meadow, and in all honesty became more and more rude to supporters in Q&As and interviews the longer it went on. I remember him saying Stuart Drummond wanted to move up north (when he was offered to Morecambe) when SD really wanted to stay where he was. From what I heard the only one surprised by his sacking was Gary himself. I don’t know whether he changed during his time with us or whether once he had achieved stability his ego became less tolerable. Wasn’t there talk of him moving upstairs for us in the future, when he first arrived at the club? So for me his tenure gives me mixed feelings (I not sure I would call him a legend thought) but I can see why supporters views are split a little.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Oct 4, 2011 14:21:08 GMT 1
By the way, I believe GT is and always will be a Legend, but that is more due to his passed record. time will tell regarding his future record that could put him, into folklore.
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Post by Dale on Oct 4, 2011 15:52:01 GMT 1
I'll never forget the way Peters got all the players fired up over the away game at Wrexham, he really understood the club and its fans. GP always seemed to have a knack with local derbies and getting everyone 'up for it', he a similar approach at PNE whenever they played Blackpool, he simply called their neighbours 'that lot with the tower'! ;D I will always be grateful to GP for steering the derby wins over Wrexham, remember our 2-1 victory there in 2006, remember the mad celebrations after the game, the team doing the 'Klinsmann' dives and GP himself storming onto the pitch, fist clenched with his clipboard still in the other hand A perplexed Darren Ferguson sees all the 'celebrations' as he walks off the pitch and says to GP 'Anyone would think you've won a cup final with the way you're celebrating?' GP simply replies 'We have!'
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 4, 2011 16:11:41 GMT 1
I thought (and still do) Gary Peters was the right man when he arrived, and there is little doubt he made the club more professional and regained belief within the club from top to bottom. So in that respect did a great job. However the problem I believe with GP was his ego which was huge, I met him a few times and IMHO it was like he believed he had become bigger than the club, he was very dismissive to the feelings and memories of the fans when we left the old Gay Meadow, and in all honesty became more and more rude to supporters in Q&As and interviews the longer it went on. I remember him saying Stuart Drummond wanted to move up north (when he was offered to Morecambe) when SD really wanted to stay where he was. From what I heard the only one surprised by his sacking was Gary himself. I don’t know whether he changed during his time with us or whether once he had achieved stability his ego became less tolerable. Wasn’t there talk of him moving upstairs for us in the future, when he first arrived at the club? So for me his tenure gives me mixed feelings (I not sure I would call him a legend thought) but I can see why supporters views are split a little. Hi, dont want to get involved in if he was a legend, the term is over used as it is. But from a Trust point of view, he was there for our end of an era event after the Grimsby game, donated items for raffles etc and came to meetings about the event. Although i was not involved in the trust at the time it was set up, i am led to believe that he was helpful at that time too. That is not to disagree with your view LS, you have to call it as you saw it. i do believe that there are 2 sides to everyone and we must have seen different sides on different days
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2011 16:32:04 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 4, 2011 17:10:19 GMT 1
I don't claim to know anything about GP's personality, but when a mate and I were watching the reserves at Hyde (v Man U reserves) GP saw us on the terrace, we were wearing STFC scarves, and walked up from the dugout for a chat.
He was frank, friendly and interesting which is why I think of him as a top bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 18:23:00 GMT 1
No, out of two managers who did pretty bum jobs, I don't see why one is thought of more highly. Peters was as much of a joke as Simpson...in my opinion of course. Paul simpson was given a HUGE budget for a club of our size and pretty much failed at every turn, poor tactical judgement, poor player recruitment with an over reliance on the once big striker/transfer theory, managed to shift the blame for failure onto supporters (diabolical)/players/society and lets not forget it points deductions to Darlo and Rotherham to get the "Grant Holt plus friends XI" into the play-offs. An unlikeable man who nearly made supporting the club I love a chore. Peters is partly responsible for turning the club from usual relegation candidates to a stable and then promotion challenging team. I didn't like the football we played and at times I disliked the man but he was the right man for the job and us as far as he could. Probably the most important (IMO) town manager since Turner left given the way the clubs stature and youth devlopment was transformed under his tenure. Herefords back in the fight.........sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 18:27:27 GMT 1
No, out of two managers who did pretty bum jobs, I don't see why one is thought of more highly. Peters was as much of a joke as Simpson...in my opinion of course. Paul simpson was given a HUGE budget for a club of our size and pretty much failed at every turn, poor tactical judgement, poor player recruitment with an over reliance on the once big striker/transfer theory, managed to shift the blame for failure onto supporters (diabolical)/players/society and lets not forget it points deductions to Darlo and Rotherham to get the "Grant Holt plus friends XI" into the play-offs. An unlikeable man who nearly made supporting the club I love a chore. Peters is partly responsible for turning the club from usual relegation candidates to a stable and then promotion challenging team. I didn't like the football we played and at times I disliked the man but he was the right man for the job and us as far as he could. Probably the most important (IMO) town manager since Turner left given the way the clubs stature and youth devlopment was transformed under his tenure. Herefords back in the fight.........sadly. Plus he signed Leo Fortune-West and gave me on eof the best Sunday Afternoons of my life when we beat them 3-1 in 2007!
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Post by Dale on Oct 4, 2011 18:28:36 GMT 1
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Post by markglasgow on Oct 4, 2011 19:10:03 GMT 1
I thought (and still do) Gary Peters was the right man when he arrived, and there is little doubt he made the club more professional and regained belief within the club from top to bottom. So in that respect did a great job. However the problem I believe with GP was his ego which was huge, I met him a few times and IMHO it was like he believed he had become bigger than the club, he was very dismissive to the feelings and memories of the fans when we left the old Gay Meadow, and in all honesty became more and more rude to supporters in Q&As and interviews the longer it went on. I remember him saying Stuart Drummond wanted to move up north (when he was offered to Morecambe) when SD really wanted to stay where he was. From what I heard the only one surprised by his sacking was Gary himself. I don’t know whether he changed during his time with us or whether once he had achieved stability his ego became less tolerable. Wasn’t there talk of him moving upstairs for us in the future, when he first arrived at the club? So for me his tenure gives me mixed feelings (I not sure I would call him a legend thought) but I can see why supporters views are split a little. Not sure that Peter's was 'surprised' by his sacking. I'm sure that I read at the time the RW spent 'hours' trying to get GP to change his mind about resigning. www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~1255612,00.html I also thought the Stewart Drummond scenario was also pretty cut and dried. Didn't his family live in Morecambe and he was wanting to move back there? Lying about the reasons for moving a player on was certainly not GP's style. I wish Peters all the best at Hereford and hope they can help us out by taking points off our promotion rivals.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 4, 2011 22:04:53 GMT 1
Do you think we need to warn Hereford fans about to asking Peters why bringing all players back for a corner is a good idea? Remember doing that at a Q&A session once and got a 20 minute answer.
One thing you couldn't level at Peters was not having a reason for doing things as he did - you might not have agreed with him but couldn't say he didn't think about the game intently and tried to have a plan for everything. Something not all managers seem to do.
Good luck at Hereford Gary - just remember what operation Hope achieved at Wrexham
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Post by venceremos on Oct 4, 2011 22:31:04 GMT 1
I don't think Peters was as good or Simpson as bad as some recall. I'd rank them about the same in terms of what they achieved here - both turned a struggling team into challengers but neither could sustain it.
Neither of them comes near to legendary status in my book (legend is an overused cliche anyway) but both were decent blokes as far as I could tell.
I'm glad to see Peters back and wish him well. It's a good move by Hereford.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 4, 2011 22:33:00 GMT 1
Bet the Hereford players are really looking forward to Christmas with their families now
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Post by shrewsace on Oct 4, 2011 23:04:02 GMT 1
I don't think Peters was as good or Simpson as bad as some recall. I'd rank them about the same in terms of what they achieved here - both turned a struggling team into challengers but neither could sustain it. Neither of them comes near to legendary status in my book (legend is an overused cliche anyway) but both were decent blokes as far as I could tell. I'm glad to see Peters back and wish him well. It's a good move by Hereford. Don't think you're comparing like with like there, mate. The squad Simpson inherited was far superior, player-for-player than the one Peters did. We weren't playing well, but Simpson still inherited Davies, Pugh, Tierney, Herd, Hibbert, Hall, Ryan, Ashton, Humphrey, McIntyre, Bevan, Constable... Low on morale and cohesion, definitely, but the raw materials were there. Peters had Rodgers, Lowe and Moss but it over all, he had the harder job. It was a borderline Conference team he inherited. Simpson also had virtually no positive impact on performances and results until he was given the means to bring in Holt, Coughlan, Jackson, Murray, Sherriff etc Wouldn't call Peters an STFC legend and think he was relieved of his duties at the right time, but he steered us from relegation and got us thinking about the right end of the table again (unthinkable under Quinn, and not really been on the agenda for some years). markglasgow - Drummond gave an interview not long after re-joining Morecambe in which he denied he had wanted to leave Shrewsbury for personal reasons. I wouldn't call it lying, but GP certainly seemed to apply a bit of spin to that particular transfer. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/shrewsbury/7196679.stmAll the best to Peters, his overall effect was positive. We could well be playing Conference football now were it not for his appointment.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 5, 2011 0:11:24 GMT 1
Fair comment shrewsace but I don't believe that Pugh (at Shrewsbury), Hall, Ashton, Bevan and Constable were such a great inheritance at that time, whilst Ryan and Humphrey were raw and inexperienced. Pretty thin raw materials I'd say.
I agree there was no new manager hot streak when Simpson started but, while relegation was never a great threat, we'd drifted so far down so quickly and made so many changes in the squad to no great effect that there was a pretty demoralised feel to the club.
Peters had to build his teams largely on the poor surface of Gay Meadow but I think Simpson's admittedly more expensive team played better football, just nowhere near consistently enough.
Thankfully, we're in a better place now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 12:34:42 GMT 1
GP will always divide opinion due to the style of football his teams play, his man-management style and his actually personality.
The thing with him is some of his traits can be seen in a good or bad light, depending on how successful the team is. For example when he first came here he was very straight talking and blunt which all the fans admired and that appears to be the same at Hereford now. However by the end of his spell with us, his straight talking was one of his downfalls
It will be interesting to see how it works with Peters not managing the team, he was that much of a control freak with us that he wanted to be in charge of the pre match music so god knows how he will cope with being unable to select and manage the side.
Will also be interesting to see how the fans take to him considering his style of football, his infamous moan at Hereford with their loans, plus of course the simple fact that he used to manage us. Whether they admit or not, there are some of their fans who never to Turner because of his past connections to us.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Oct 5, 2011 13:05:00 GMT 1
I thought (and still do) Gary Peters was the right man when he arrived, and there is little doubt he made the club more professional and regained belief within the club from top to bottom. So in that respect did a great job. However the problem I believe with GP was his ego which was huge, I met him a few times and IMHO it was like he believed he had become bigger than the club, he was very dismissive to the feelings and memories of the fans when we left the old Gay Meadow, and in all honesty became more and more rude to supporters in Q&As and interviews the longer it went on. I remember him saying Stuart Drummond wanted to move up north (when he was offered to Morecambe) when SD really wanted to stay where he was. From what I heard the only one surprised by his sacking was Gary himself. I don’t know whether he changed during his time with us or whether once he had achieved stability his ego became less tolerable. Wasn’t there talk of him moving upstairs for us in the future, when he first arrived at the club? So for me his tenure gives me mixed feelings (I not sure I would call him a legend thought) but I can see why supporters views are split a little. Not sure that Peter's was 'surprised' by his sacking. I'm sure that I read at the time the RW spent 'hours' trying to get GP to change his mind about resigning. www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~1255612,00.html I also thought the Stewart Drummond scenario was also pretty cut and dried. Didn't his family live in Morecambe and he was wanting to move back there? Lying about the reasons for moving a player on was certainly not GP's style. I wish Peters all the best at Hereford and hope they can help us out by taking points off our promotion rivals. Drummond rented a house in Chester (a few doors down from me) , which he'd stay in during the week to save on the traveling . The family home was still in the Morecambe area and his wife had a teaching job up there . They couldn't sell the Morecambe pad but his wife didn't want to leave the area anyway . This was the combination of factors that resulted in Drummond leaving Salop .
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Post by len on Oct 5, 2011 13:27:55 GMT 1
Happy to see him back in football, another great challenge for him.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 5, 2011 14:47:43 GMT 1
Peters kept us up and then got us to 10th and just 5 points off the play-offs in his first full season. Since that season, and the first play-off season, anything less than play-offs is viewed as poor and unacceptable and has resulted in a change of manager. This is what he did (and the new stadium admittedly), changed the mentality of the club and the fans and turned us into a consistent top league 2 team. I could rant for a very long time about Simpson but quite frankly can't be bothered to waste my time on him!
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Post by Fingers on Oct 5, 2011 15:04:03 GMT 1
Jimmy Quinn the club from the abyss back into the Football league and is rightly lauded for this, alas he wasn't the man to keep us in the league.
GP came in and steadied the ship and then improved us on the field accumulating more points and culminating in the playoff final - he should be lauded for this. He left as he had exceeded expectations the previous season and as such was a victim of his own success to a degree.
As above we view anything other than playoffs/above as a failure now and that is due to work from GP.
Good luck to him at Hereford.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 5, 2011 15:36:04 GMT 1
well this now possibly puts Barnet and Plymouth as favourites for the drop!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 5, 2011 16:50:37 GMT 1
well this now possibly puts Barnet and Plymouth as favourites for the drop! Don't say that with this weekends fixture coming up
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Post by quinnster on Oct 6, 2011 2:55:43 GMT 1
Things have moved on at STFC . the last ten years the most eventful I can remember. In context of where town were , in those far off days of playing in front of 2,000 at the GM. Our managers with respect, Jake, Quinn, Rattcliffe. And a budget of a conferance side. Peters in my mind the right man for the job and the time. But not now. Thats why Hereford in their situation have got the right type of guy for the job. Just the way we needed him . Wheres Kempson ?
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Post by northwestman on Oct 6, 2011 10:24:52 GMT 1
And the 1st thing he does is sign Leslie on loan!!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 6, 2011 14:09:39 GMT 1
I see he is having his first meeting with the supporters tonight - wonder how long before he starts rubbishing the facilities at The Shed like he did GM
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 6, 2011 14:40:12 GMT 1
And the 1st thing he does is sign Leslie on loan!! Presumably he'll be turning him into a full back
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 6, 2011 15:31:12 GMT 1
And the 1st thing he does is sign Leslie on loan!! Presumably he'll be turning him into a full back Well, Most of GP's teams had 4 full backs and 4 central defenders - most managers play 4 defenders & 4 in midfield. Helps to stop you losing though, which is first priority for Hereford atm I guess
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