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Post by WindsorShrew on Oct 3, 2011 21:23:41 GMT 1
Well thankfully your here to put me in my place Gareth.
However GP as you call him still dropped the lad and then refuesd to name him in the squad. Hardly "turning his career around".
My opinion is mine yours is yours.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 3, 2011 21:44:03 GMT 1
Windsor: Peters did get the best out of Edwards.
Dropping him for Wembley was wrong, agree with you.
But suggesting at the end of a season where Edwards played 51 times (33 the season before) for Shrewsbury scoring 6 goals that Peters had somehow frozen him out or lost faith in him is simply not true.
He had an excellent season hence he went to the league above for £400k.
He did not play again after refusing a new contract, that is quite common.
BUT Peters played him over 100 times, the vast share of his Shrewsbury career, inclduing having him almost ever present in his final season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 21:54:10 GMT 1
Dave Edwards was not 'dropped' at Wembley. He was (supposedly) injured and played no part in our heroic play-off victory against MK Dons.
A question for all those guilty of hero-worshiping the 'local lad'. Should he have simply waltzed back into the team after being carried for months by his colleagues? Having played no part in the penultimate fixture?
Peters made the right decision. Edwards was playing s**te and wouldn't have made a difference anyway.
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Post by haloangoodbye on Oct 3, 2011 22:07:19 GMT 1
Dave Edwards was not 'dropped' at Wembley. He was (supposedly) injured and played no part in our heroic play-off victory against MK Dons. A question for all those guilty of hero-worshiping the 'local lad'. Should he have simply waltzed back into the team after being carried for months by his colleagues? Having played no part in the penultimate fixture? Peters made the right decision. Edwards was playing s**te and wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Yep, wouldn't argue with that, doc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 22:13:19 GMT 1
The Doctor is never wrong.
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 3, 2011 22:29:33 GMT 1
Peters us forward 3/4 seasons he was in charge, no mean achievement if you consider what had been going on for the best part of a decade at STFC. We were a club on its way out of of league and there would have been no second chance we'd have become a lower end conference side.
However, his signings after 2007 play off final proved to be dire and he seemingly ran of ideas (if not full backs). Once his brand of football stopped getting results then he hadn't got much to fall back.
Simpson was just far too thin skinned to be a football manager and his inability to get more out that 2009 team showed his limits as a manager.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 3, 2011 22:30:15 GMT 1
Peters and Edwards seems to be the only footballing issue Crippen actually has an opinion on, and regularly airs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 23:02:25 GMT 1
In truth I was that glad to get rid of Mr Peters I would have taken Prince Andrew in his place. Hindsight of course offers lessons we choose or choose not to see. Whether Mr peters kept us up where Mr Quinn would not have done is guesswork. Mr Peters personnel skills are limited, his team selection using defenders everywhere he could get away with was never going to excite. His media skills were dismal when things were going wrong, I remember well his treatment of Mr Dunn and the rubbish the man expected us to believe. But most of all I will remember Mr Peters for his handling of the Dave Edwards affair. In the first instance his failure to motivate Edwards and get him playing well if at all. And secondly his arrogance and yes...ignorance for not including Edwards in the Wembley squad. So my view about Simpson was biased from the start. With Hindsight both managers were poor overall. .. Excellent post and one i agree with 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 7:44:41 GMT 1
Dave Edwards was not 'dropped' at Wembley. He was (supposedly) injured and played no part in our heroic play-off victory against MK Dons. A question for all those guilty of hero-worshiping the 'local lad'. Should he have simply waltzed back into the team after being carried for months by his colleagues? Having played no part in the penultimate fixture? Peters made the right decision. Edwards was playing s**te and wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Come on Doctor, your standards are slipping. He was injured for MK Dons, not the final at Wembley. I'd have picked him for the subs bench and brought him on if we'd needed a goal with 20/ 30 minutes to go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 7:56:02 GMT 1
Peters us forward 3/4 seasons he was in charge, no mean achievement if you consider what had been going on for the best part of a decade at STFC. We were a club on its way out of of league and there would have been no second chance we'd have become a lower end conference side. However, his signings after 2007 play off final proved to be dire and he seemingly ran of ideas (if not full backs). Once his brand of football stopped getting results then he hadn't got much to fall back. Simpson was just far too thin skinned to be a football manager and his inability to get more out that 2009 team showed his limits as a manager. His signings after the 2007 final were a mixed bag rather than dire. Poor central defenders but also Pugh, Ryan and Hibbert. Maybe his biggest mistake was letting Richard Hope go (although he was pathetic elsewhere). Peters always seemed to release or sell on his captains!!.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 8:43:52 GMT 1
He was injured for MK Dons, not the final at Wembley. I didn't say otherwise, Ant. Being 'dropped' to me implies that said player had been involved during the previous game. As I have clearly stated, Edwards played no part in the play-off affair and therefore was undeserving of a starting place at Wembley.
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2011 9:47:44 GMT 1
Only problem with that theory Doctor is that Ben Davies was injured at MK and missed Wembley. There was a spare place in the team for Wembley and Edwards was the natural replacement but Peters pig headedness dictated otherwise
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 9:50:47 GMT 1
There was a spare place in the team for Wembley and Edwards was the natural replacement but Peters pig headedness dictated otherwise Why was Edwards the 'natural replacement' ? His performances had been shambolic in the second half of the 2006/2007 season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 9:56:42 GMT 1
[ His performances had been shambolic in the second half of the 2006/2007 season. correct, edwards had not been anywhere near his best during the tail end of that season and it is no great mystery that he was dropped. although i do tend to feel an affinity for our local players, if they aint performing then they cant expect to get in the team. if my memory serves, there was much speculation at the time that talk of transfers was affecting his performances. The Doctor is never wrong.
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2011 10:03:02 GMT 1
Name me a better right sided midfielder we had at the time.
Absoulutely ridiculous to say Edawrds performances were shambolic in the 2nd half of that season. I remember going to a home game in March in the sponsors lounge where edwards picked up his 3rd consecutive man of the match award! You can argue all you like but Peters did not pick from his best available players for Wembley, if he had Edwards would have been on the pitch, or at worst on the bench,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 10:51:11 GMT 1
GP has been officially appointed as DOF at Hereford this morning.
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Post by mrmagoo on Oct 4, 2011 11:22:37 GMT 1
Link------> GP Gary Peters, who has enjoyed a career of 10 promotions as a player, manager and coach - making his club's millions of pounds of profits in the transfer market on the way - is Hereford United's new Director of Football. From today, Peters will take control of football from boardroom to bootroom and will be working alongside manager Jamie Pitman as a mentor to take the Bulls into the future. Peters has been in the game for 38 years, as a player with Reading, Fulham and Wimbledon ,and in management and coaching at Cambridge United, Preston North End, Shrewsbury Town and Exeter City. "This is an exciting new challenge for me. Hereford is a great little club with a great past and to be given the chance to shape it's future is something very special," said Peters. Peters, 57, has specialised in building up teams, bringing on young players and mentoring managers such as David Moyes, whose career he helped launch at Preston North End in the 1990s. "One of my main tasks here is to help Jamie Pitman. I'll only be successful if Jamie and his team are successful, but we've got a tough task ahead which is going to need lots of work and lots of support from the fans," he added. Pitman, who successfully steered United clear of relegation last season, has welcomed the arrival of Peters at Edgar Street. "Gary has years and years of experience. He's been there and done it and knows the game inside out. He's just what we want. His knowledge and contacts in the game can only bring good to Hereford and I'm really looking forward to working with him," he said. Apart from giving a young David Beckham his league debut at Preston while on loan from Old Trafford, Peters' other great discovery was England goalkeeper Joe Hart, and over the last couple of seasons his job has been to mentor young players in the Premier League. Peters has shaken hands on a deal which will keep him at the club until May 2014, and Chairman David Keyte commented: "Gary has huge experience of working with clubs at our level and his track record shows his skill of encouraging and developing young players. We need to give him and Jamie time to develop a team and a club for the future."
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Oct 4, 2011 11:36:08 GMT 1
Well Hereford aren't going to suddenly play expansive and attractive football with this appointment but if Peters is involved then pound to a pinch of they will become difficult to beat and should steer clear of the drop.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Oct 4, 2011 11:46:56 GMT 1
"Peters' other great discovery was England goalkeeper Joe Hart", Hardly a great discovery, he was already at Shrewsbury and even my wife (who knows nothing about football) could have spotted his talent.
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Oct 4, 2011 11:55:28 GMT 1
"Peters' other great discovery was England goalkeeper Joe Hart", Hardly a great discovery, he was already at Shrewsbury and even my wife (who knows nothing about football) could have spotted his talent. That's a tad harsh, remember Scott Howie, the guy who etched himself in more recent town folklore for those penalty saves, when we were shipping basic goals the next season hardly anyone wanted Howie dropped but Peters did, and put a 18 yr old rookie goalkeeper in instead, we all thought Peters was bonkers, he however, said it was the easiest decision he had every made and the boy would one day play for England....at the time I laughed too
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Oct 4, 2011 11:58:42 GMT 1
i agree he may have had balls to play him, but he didnt discover him.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Oct 4, 2011 12:11:03 GMT 1
"Peters' other great discovery was England goalkeeper Joe Hart", Hardly a great discovery, he was already at Shrewsbury and even my wife (who knows nothing about football) could have spotted his talent. That's a tad harsh, remember Scott Howie, the guy who etched himself in more recent town folklore for those penalty saves, when we were shipping basic goals the next season hardly anyone wanted Howie dropped but Peters did, and put a 18 yr old rookie goalkeeper in instead, we all thought Peters was bonkers, he however, said it was the easiest decision he had every made and the boy would one day play for England....at the time I laughed too Peters also told Hart to stop playing cricket for Shrewsbury if he was serious about his career. I remember a newspaper article slagging off Peters as Hart 'only played for Shrewsbury'.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 4, 2011 12:12:40 GMT 1
Hereford will stay up now, but it wont be pretty.... i expect that it will be another few weeks before Pitman goes and GP takes over.... the sooner that comes the better for them...
Shoot me down if you want but I liked GP and think he did a lot of good for the clubs during a tough time...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 12:21:19 GMT 1
Well Hereford aren't going to suddenly play expansive and attractive football with this appointment but if Peters is involved then pound to a pinch of they will become difficult to beat and should steer clear of the drop. Too right.....we will not be turning them over 3 or 4 nil now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 12:25:41 GMT 1
I do think he will do a good job there but just love the irony in that Hereford fans have been complaining about the direct, defensive style of football they are playing so turn to Gary Peters.
Interesting that many people suggested that Peters would become director of football here but the general consensus was that it wouldnt work because he was that much of a control freak, will be interesting to see how it turns out
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2011 12:27:56 GMT 1
the article implies that he discovered Beckham too..mmm
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Post by stainesr on Oct 4, 2011 13:16:04 GMT 1
Gary Peters is a legend.
Simpson is a numpty.
I wonder if Simpson applied for the Hereford job too?
Would any of you pro Simpson types REALLY have hired Simpson over Peters?
I'll never forget the way Peters got all the players fired up over the away game at Wrexham, he really understood the club and its fans.
Hereford are going to stay up and I'm pleased we will still get a proper local derby next season.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 4, 2011 13:18:42 GMT 1
Gary Peters is a legend. Simpson is a numpty. I wonder if Simpson applied for the Hereford job too? Would any of you pro Simpson types REALLY have hired Simpson over Peters? I'll never forget the way Peters got all the players fired up over the away game at Wrexham, he really understood the club and its fans. Hereford are going to stay up and I'm pleased we will still get a proper local derby next season. If we are in the same league as Hereford next season then something our end has gone wrong!
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Post by Ned on Oct 4, 2011 13:23:42 GMT 1
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2011 13:45:41 GMT 1
Gary Peters is a legend. Simpson is a numpty. I wonder if Simpson applied for the Hereford job too? Would any of you pro Simpson types REALLY have hired Simpson over Peters? I'll never forget the way Peters got all the players fired up over the away game at Wrexham, he really understood the club and its fans. Hereford are going to stay up and I'm pleased we will still get a proper local derby next season. Odd post I havent come across a single 'pro-simpson type ' on this thread!
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