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Post by mattmw on Sept 15, 2011 8:14:49 GMT 1
In fact I would argue that by making the right savings in the right areas the government are trying to protect the poor. But are we getting the right savings? I'm not convinced that an across the board cut in wages at the Council is a particularly effective way if protecting front line services? If you had to save 10% of your household income you wouldn't just cut 10% off your spending you'd cut out things you didn't need and focus on what was important to keep you going. What is frustrating at the moment is that skilled staff who could make well thought out, constructive savings to the public sector are being forced out of work In the mad dash to make across the board savings The other issue is the lack of public consultation. No councillor was elected to make cuts to services, and if you asked the public if they wanted to see schools and care centres closed - or the savings made in other areas I think we know what people would say.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 9:20:56 GMT 1
But consultations have been held, and rather than look at the big picture, people just said lay off my stuff.
Look at the wakeman school issue as 1 example, a school that was running below capacity, so you get 2 schools that run below capacity, combine and have 1 school, what an uproar!!
I would be very happy to see certain areas of med care concentrated on one hospital, so it can offer top class services, such as maternity!! again, uproar............
But that is a bit forward thinking for some people!!
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Post by Shrewed on Sept 15, 2011 10:12:06 GMT 1
But consultations have been held, and rather than look at the big picture, people just said lay off my stuff. Look at the wakeman school issue as 1 example, a school that was running below capacity, so you get 2 schools that run below capacity, combine and have 1 school, what an uproar!! I would be very happy to see certain areas of med care concentrated on one hospital, so it can offer top class services, such as maternity!! again, uproar............ But that is a bit forward thinking for some people!! Downie, unfortunately you cannot have a government that preaches the freedom of choice and then when the populace chooses turn round and say your choice doesn't count you have to do what we say. Of course people are going to want to protect what they value, it is easy for you to talk about centralised medical care, because I suspect you can easily travel to Birmingham and the cost is irrelevant, but that is not the case for families who are finding it difficult to put food on the table. Choice is only available if you have the finances to afford it. Choice in health and education are not available to the poor, they have to do with what is on the doorstep.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 10:22:12 GMT 1
But I do believe none of the medical care was suggested to go to Birmingham, it was to be split between Telford and Shrewsbury!!
But again, its a million poor reasons why not to do something, pulling on the heart strings of the poor and elderly!! these things can be overcome quite easily!! and far cheaper......... but lets keep the blinkers on!!
The populace does not want change, but change happens all the time!! those that go to the wakeman school still want to go there, same as the others that are closing, but the stark fact is, some have to close to save money, and you close the one that costs the most!! simple really!!
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Post by ab on Sept 15, 2011 10:27:51 GMT 1
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Post by ab on Sept 15, 2011 10:36:43 GMT 1
A little reminder of the current job situation
Unemployment rose by 80,000 to 2.51 million – the biggest rise since August 2009, when we were still in recession. The number of unemployed women is now at its highest level since 1988. One in five young people aged between 16 and 24 is now out of work. The number of vacancies fell once more and there are now 5.5 unemployed people seeking every available job in the UK. Average earnings (including bonuses) rose by only 2.8% on the year before, compared to Retail Price Inflation of 5.2%. Real wages therefore fell by 2.4%. Even those in work have less spending power than a year ago. The increase in unemployment was driven by a large fall in public sector jobs.
So the real conservative grass roots policy of eroding the welfare state is once again back firing as these cuts now start to bite, there are more and more people in need of welfare help.
Deep cuts slow down the economy, and therefore reduce the tax take. This makes the deficit harder, or even impossible, to close. A longer time scale would give economic growth the chance to do much of the hard work of deficit reduction, rather than relying on cuts and tax increases.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 15, 2011 10:42:21 GMT 1
Quick one nursie!! do you think the NHS budget is spent wisely and we (Public and Private sector) get full value for money and can you think of saving money.......... my good lady has worked in thge same office for the NHS for 4 years now, and in that time they have rebranded 4 times, just because some has decided to change names etc etc, and that alone costs a fortune!! That is just an example. That is a good example of waste in the NHS yes However in the last 18 months the people in the nhs have spent god knows how long having how many plans announced, started to be implemented and then paused, changed and put back out several months later due to major problems with the plan in the first place. If the politicians stopped sticking their noses in and unveiling these poorly thought out plans then that alone would have saved god knows how much time, effort and money.
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Post by shrewsace on Sept 15, 2011 13:40:31 GMT 1
But consultations have been held, and rather than look at the big picture, people just said lay off my stuff. Look at the wakeman school issue as 1 example, a school that was running below capacity, so you get 2 schools that run below capacity, combine and have 1 school, what an uproar!! Isn't it the case that if the Wakeman is closed a new school will be needed to serve the west of Shrewsbury, at the cost of £35M, by 2019?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 15, 2011 13:42:16 GMT 1
Look at the wakeman school issue as 1 example, a school that was running below capacity, so you get 2 schools that run below capacity, combine and have 1 school, what an uproar!! Within a decade a new secondary school will need to be built in Shrewsbury to accommodate the current lower primary ages where there is a real surge in numbers. That new school will cost millions to build, both in land and buildings. Wakeman within the last 5 years had millions spent on updating many of the facilities, including a whole new block with sports hall etc. Now it's size is unsustainable because no-one is going to send their kids to a school under the threat of closure. So they spent millions on the Wakeman, only to close it, even though there are loads more kids coming through the system who will need a new school, that will cost millions again, and the main reason why Wakeman's numbers are now so low is the threat of closure itself, not its facilities or educational standards. Apart from that it is a great idea
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 15, 2011 13:53:10 GMT 1
250,000 public sector jobs lost in the last year. And this is before the cuts take effect - allegedly.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 15, 2011 13:58:33 GMT 1
Some interesting facts on Jeremy Vine today. Per head £2k spent less on English populace than on our neighbours in Scotland.
Scotland justifies this by the remoteness of some of its inhabitants.
On the Hospital front I would wish both Telford and Shrewsbury could have a fully functional Hospital.
Ed I think I am against this choose where you get treated I think geographics should dictate in the main,
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 15, 2011 14:49:47 GMT 1
The right wing think tankers disagree though Windsor. Apparently we have an (economically) irrational emotional attachment to being treated locally. Seriously. Also Windsor this link about Scotland: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshd The podcast for the 26/08 programme covered the subsidy issue quite fully as I recall.
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Post by grinfish on Sept 15, 2011 14:55:03 GMT 1
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