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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 11:55:29 GMT 1
players havent been payed by the deadline of 11.30 and are now due to strike tomorrow. despite finding a buyer it doesnt really seem to be helping.. although i sympathise with the players, this really wont help the club in any way and is perhaps slightly selfish.. you really have to feel for their fans, i think we'll be seeing an AFC very soon
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 2, 2011 12:01:56 GMT 1
Sorry I can't see how you can call some one that has not been paid for NINE months slightly selfish, and all they want is 40% of this months wage. Link------> Wage demand
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 12:05:11 GMT 1
Sorry I can't see how you can call some one that has not been paid for NINE months slightly selfish, and all they want is 40% of this months wage. Link------> Wage demand i understand that but in all fairness they are playing football for a living and id imagine theyre all pretty well off.. surely they could try and assure they get paid in some other way? but going on strike doesnt help anyone. also, its clear that the takeovers been approved so surely it wont be long before they get paid..?
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 2, 2011 12:11:48 GMT 1
Sorry I can't see how you can call some one that has not been paid for NINE months slightly selfish, and all they want is 40% of this months wage. Link------> Wage demand i understand that but in all fairness they are playing football for a living and id imagine theyre all pretty well off.. surely they could try and assure they get paid in some other way? but going on strike doesnt help anyone. also, its clear that the takeovers been approved so surely it wont be long before they get paid..? But there not playing football for a living, they'd like to hence the strike. Can I ask if you had not been paid for 2 months let alone 9, would you still be working for the same people? And according to the BBC "Administrators are still trying to finalise the sale to preferred bidders Bishop International Limited". So it could be a few months yet before it happens, they've been finalising since before we played them, in fact the deal was supposed to go though the week before we played them. I remember this because we though they would be able to buy some players to play us.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 12:19:07 GMT 1
i understand that but in all fairness they are playing football for a living and id imagine theyre all pretty well off.. surely they could try and assure they get paid in some other way? but going on strike doesnt help anyone. also, its clear that the takeovers been approved so surely it wont be long before they get paid..? But there not playing football for a living, they'd like to hence the strike. Can I ask if you had not been paid for 2 months let alone 9, would you still be working for the same people? And according to the BBC "Administrators are still trying to finalise the sale to preferred bidders Bishop International Limited". So it could be a few months yet before it happens, they've been finalising since before we played them, in fact the deal was supposed to go though the week before we played them. I remember this because we though they would be able to buy some players to play us. well i'm 17 and work part-time at a bakery, but your point stands but if i was in the situation of the plymouth players i certainly wouldnt strike, id think of the fans who pay money week in week out to watch a dying team. if town were in the same situation as a club, i for one wouldnt be happy with the players. the players see it more as a business and not acknowledging what it means to the fans. and if theyve waited 9 months then 1 or 2 months longer surely wouldnt be too much to ask, theyre just furthering the plight of the club. the bids been approved this time though so its obvious that the sale will go through shortly..
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 2, 2011 12:25:46 GMT 1
You muppet,
An average league two footballer is not mega rich. I earn a good living but could not afford anywhere near 9 months with no pay.
I doth my cap to all of them for hanging on this long before striking. I am sure no real Plymouth fan would complain if they dd strike.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 12:28:49 GMT 1
You muppet, An average league two footballer is not mega rich. I earn a good living but could not afford anywhere near 9 months with no pay. I doth my cap to all of them for hanging on this long before striking. I am sure no real Plymouth fan would complain if they dd strike. the better players on 1000/week+bonuses? some on loan from bigger clubs as well.. with two successive relegations im sure theyve still got a dodgy wage structure..
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 2, 2011 12:33:06 GMT 1
You muppet, An average league two footballer is not mega rich. I earn a good living but could not afford anywhere near 9 months with no pay. I doth my cap to all of them for hanging on this long before striking. I am sure no real Plymouth fan would complain if they dd strike. the better players on 1000/week+bonuses? some on loan from bigger clubs as well.. with two successive relegations im sure theyve still got a dodgy wage structure.. Better players possibly on that, but what about the Jo average on half that amount. They have rent, families bills to pay for. If your work said we want you to work for free till July what would you say? I'm guessing you would look for somewhere new?
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 12:38:46 GMT 1
the better players on 1000/week+bonuses? some on loan from bigger clubs as well.. with two successive relegations im sure theyve still got a dodgy wage structure.. Better players possibly on that, but what about the Jo average on half that amount. They have rent, families bills to pay for. If your work said we want you to work for free till July what would you say? I'm guessing you would look for somewhere new? it could be argued that your younger players on lesser wages wouldnt have families to look after, it would only be the more experienced players on the more lucrative wages with a range of responsibilities. yeah point taken.. but i dont understand how people can relate football clubs to your everyday business so literally. essentially yes football clubs are a business but theres a 100year+ history, and fans who have spent thousands supporting the club. football clubs mean more to some people than anything else so i dont think it can be treated as a business, i think everyone should aim to keep the club alive no matter what..
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 2, 2011 12:46:04 GMT 1
Better players possibly on that, but what about the Jo average on half that amount. They have rent, families bills to pay for. If your work said we want you to work for free till July what would you say? I'm guessing you would look for somewhere new? it could be argued that your younger players on lesser wages wouldnt have families to look after, it would only be the more experienced players on the more lucrative wages with a range of responsibilities. yeah point taken.. but i dont understand how people can relate football clubs to your everyday business so literally. essentially yes football clubs are a business but theres a 100year+ history, and fans who have spent thousands supporting the club. football clubs mean more to some people than anything else so i dont think it can be treated as a business, i think everyone should aim to keep the club alive no matter what.. So you know no one aged 18-23 with children to support? Yr naivety beggars belief. Yes footy teams are more than just a business hence 9 months of sacrifices have been made by these player. But if the bailiff knocks on your door and says can I have your keys to your house and you turn round and say no because I'm a footballer, what do you think he'd say? Oh that's ok, my mistake please keep on not paying yr mortgage??
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Post by Fingers on Sept 2, 2011 12:52:28 GMT 1
I'm guessing some have been able to pay their mortgage off prior to this debacle but there will be others who have not and also once you are accustomed to a wage level the chances are your outgoings rise to the standard of living you have earned for yourself.
The last 9 months has eroded their savings - end this shambles now.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 12:52:57 GMT 1
it could be argued that your younger players on lesser wages wouldnt have families to look after, it would only be the more experienced players on the more lucrative wages with a range of responsibilities. yeah point taken.. but i dont understand how people can relate football clubs to your everyday business so literally. essentially yes football clubs are a business but theres a 100year+ history, and fans who have spent thousands supporting the club. football clubs mean more to some people than anything else so i dont think it can be treated as a business, i think everyone should aim to keep the club alive no matter what.. So you know no one aged 18-23 with children to support? Yr naivety beggars belief. Yes footy teams are more than just a business hence 9 months of sacrifices have been made by these player. But if the bailiff knocks on your door and says can I have your keys to your house and you turn round and say no because I'm a footballer, what do you think he'd say? Oh that's ok, my mistake please keep on not paying yr mortgage?? who also play for plymouth?nope but im talking in general they will have less responsibility as those on bigger wages. im sure few of them have a mortgage in devon yet as the majority would only have arrived a month or so ago.. but im sure none of the players are in any financial trouble: 1000/week, signing on fee, appearance bonus, goal bonus, MOTM bonus, merchandise(club shirts with name on) bonus, media(interviews and such) bonus, sports brand contract.. seriously?
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Post by Fingers on Sept 2, 2011 12:57:11 GMT 1
Btw Burton are 4/7 for the win on Saturday.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 12:58:36 GMT 1
Btw Burton are 4/7 for the win on Saturday. they looked useful when we went there.. decent front two.. i dont reckon a youth side would be any problem for them.
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 2, 2011 13:00:10 GMT 1
So you know no one aged 18-23 with children to support? Yr naivety beggars belief. Yes footy teams are more than just a business hence 9 months of sacrifices have been made by these player. But if the bailiff knocks on your door and says can I have your keys to your house and you turn round and say no because I'm a footballer, what do you think he'd say? Oh that's ok, my mistake please keep on not paying yr mortgage?? who also play for plymouth?nope but im talking in general they will have less responsibility as those on bigger wages. im sure few of them have a mortgage in devon yet as the majority would only have arrived a month or so ago.. but im sure none of the players are in any financial trouble: 1000/week, signing on fee, appearance bonus, goal bonus, MOTM bonus, merchandise(club shirts with name on) bonus, media(interviews and such) bonus, sports brand contract.. seriously? Lol have you seen the results for Plymouth over the last year? I doubt any league two players gets paid for doing media interviews and only a few will get paid for sports branding. Most will just get 5-6 pairs of boots given to them to wear. I know football is a different world to any other UK sport but come on, league two footballers are not ridiculously well off. Also renting properties is just as expensive as mortgages now a days if not more expensive.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 2, 2011 13:05:15 GMT 1
But there not playing football for a living, they'd like to hence the strike. Can I ask if you had not been paid for 2 months let alone 9, would you still be working for the same people? And according to the BBC "Administrators are still trying to finalise the sale to preferred bidders Bishop International Limited". So it could be a few months yet before it happens, they've been finalising since before we played them, in fact the deal was supposed to go though the week before we played them. I remember this because we though they would be able to buy some players to play us. well i'm 17 and work part-time at a bakery, but your point stands but if i was in the situation of the plymouth players i certainly wouldnt strike, id think of the fans who pay money week in week out to watch a dying team. if town were in the same situation as a club, i for one wouldnt be happy with the players. the players see it more as a business and not acknowledging what it means to the fans. and if theyve waited 9 months then 1 or 2 months longer surely wouldnt be too much to ask, theyre just furthering the plight of the club. the bids been approved this time though so its obvious that the sale will go through shortly.. If I was a fan of Plymouth and been pay to watch them I'd want to know why the players had not been paid with the money that had gone though the gate. Personally I'd feel proud of any player that had played for the club I love for 9 month and no money, to me that shows a loyalty that's missing in today's game. As a pro footballer I'm sure banks will give a bit of leeway, but after 9 months most are going to say no more. But let's remember that they didn't defer their wages for August, as they have done in previous months, they actually waived their wages until the end of August on the understanding that cash would arrive and the takeover completed by August 31st! Link------> Where Is The Money? The reason for the delay is Kevin Heaney owns another club Truro City, which you can't do under League rules, so while he is still involved or owns the other club it should in theory never be approved. Although he states he has pulled out, the bid is by a holding company who do not show the names of Directors, It is believed that Heaney is involved in the company because he set it up. So how long do the players wait
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 13:06:57 GMT 1
who also play for plymouth?nope but im talking in general they will have less responsibility as those on bigger wages. im sure few of them have a mortgage in devon yet as the majority would only have arrived a month or so ago.. but im sure none of the players are in any financial trouble: 1000/week, signing on fee, appearance bonus, goal bonus, MOTM bonus, merchandise(club shirts with name on) bonus, media(interviews and such) bonus, sports brand contract.. seriously? Lol have you seen the results for Plymouth over the last year? I doubt any league two players gets paid for doing media interviews and only a few will get paid for sports branding. Most will just get 5-6 pairs of boots given to them to wear. I know football is a different world to any other UK sport but come on, league two footballers are not ridiculously well off. Also renting properties is just as expensive as mortgages now a days if not more expensive. no doubt a number of younger players may rent together? reducing costs. (i may be wrong but dont taylor and goldson?) and not neccessarily interviews but any public appearance. in all fairness i understand they arent ridiculously well off, and we can go on arguing all day about this, but if i was an argyle fan id be dissappointed in my players for not holding out a couple more months for the takeover(which has been approved) to carry through.
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Post by Old Bucks Head on Sept 2, 2011 13:07:43 GMT 1
i think we'll be seeing an AFC very soon Sticking "AFC" at the front of a club's name is incredibly tinpot. I personally hate it.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 13:15:10 GMT 1
well i'm 17 and work part-time at a bakery, but your point stands but if i was in the situation of the plymouth players i certainly wouldnt strike, id think of the fans who pay money week in week out to watch a dying team. if town were in the same situation as a club, i for one wouldnt be happy with the players. the players see it more as a business and not acknowledging what it means to the fans. and if theyve waited 9 months then 1 or 2 months longer surely wouldnt be too much to ask, theyre just furthering the plight of the club. the bids been approved this time though so its obvious that the sale will go through shortly.. If I was a fan of Plymouth and been pay to watch them I'd want to know why the players had not been paid with the money that had gone though the gate. Personally I'd feel proud of any player that had played for the club I love for 9 month and no money, to me that shows a loyalty that's missing in today's game. As a pro footballer I'm sure banks will give a bit of leeway, but after 9 months most are going to say no more. But let's remember that they didn't defer their wages for August, as they have done in previous months, they actually waived their wages until the end of August on the understanding that cash would arrive and the takeover completed by August 31st! Link------> Where Is The Money? The reason for the delay is Kevin Heaney owns another club Truro City, which you can't do under League rules, so while he is still involved or owns the other club it should in theory never be approved. Although he states he has pulled out, the bid is by a holding company who do not show the names of Directors, It is believed that Heaney is involved in the company because he set it up. So how long do the players wait im sure theres more important outstanding costs than paying the players, on which the clubs survival may depend. yeah i agree this loyalty is missing, but it shouldnt be.. what the plymouth players have done should be expected of them as proffessionals supported by paying fans every week. impressive knowledge but the players should wait it out in order to see what may come of this takeover as it was only approved on the 26th august. even if its only for another month, the bid was only approved a week or so ago..
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 13:18:39 GMT 1
i think we'll be seeing an AFC very soon Sticking "AFC" at the front of a club's name is incredibly tinpot. I personally hate it. i wouldnt really say its tinpot, id say quite the opposite.. i quite like it..
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 2, 2011 13:22:15 GMT 1
If I was a fan of Plymouth and been pay to watch them I'd want to know why the players had not been paid with the money that had gone though the gate. Personally I'd feel proud of any player that had played for the club I love for 9 month and no money, to me that shows a loyalty that's missing in today's game. As a pro footballer I'm sure banks will give a bit of leeway, but after 9 months most are going to say no more. But let's remember that they didn't defer their wages for August, as they have done in previous months, they actually waived their wages until the end of August on the understanding that cash would arrive and the takeover completed by August 31st! Link------> Where Is The Money? The reason for the delay is Kevin Heaney owns another club Truro City, which you can't do under League rules, so while he is still involved or owns the other club it should in theory never be approved. Although he states he has pulled out, the bid is by a holding company who do not show the names of Directors, It is believed that Heaney is involved in the company because he set it up. So how long do the players wait im sure theres more important outstanding costs than paying the players, on which the clubs survival may depend. yeah i agree this loyalty is missing, but it shouldnt be.. what the plymouth players have done should be expected of them as proffessionals supported by paying fans every week. impressive knowledge but the players should wait it out in order to see what may come of this takeover as it was only approved on the 26th august. even if its only for another month, the bid was only approved a week or so ago.. Y should it be expected of them?
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 13:25:44 GMT 1
i think they should give something back to the club and the fans after the great support even after two successive relegations. you wouldnt agree that proffessional footballers should show loyalty to the club and its fans?
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 2, 2011 13:31:06 GMT 1
Ridsdale..hmmmm now where have I heard that name before....
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 2, 2011 13:33:01 GMT 1
As professionals they should be expected to endure 9 months without being paid and hold off on withdrawing their labour when yet another deadline has passed with the takeover still stalled? What planet are you on? Nobody owes an employer such loyalty, just because it is a football club means nothing. Even if the takeover does go through, 9 months worth of wages (and taxes no doubt) is a hell of a lot for the new owners to stump up at once. If the prospective owners are that rich I think they'd be in situ already.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 2, 2011 13:34:35 GMT 1
If I was a fan of Plymouth and been pay to watch them I'd want to know why the players had not been paid with the money that had gone though the gate. Personally I'd feel proud of any player that had played for the club I love for 9 month and no money, to me that shows a loyalty that's missing in today's game. As a pro footballer I'm sure banks will give a bit of leeway, but after 9 months most are going to say no more. But let's remember that they didn't defer their wages for August, as they have done in previous months, they actually waived their wages until the end of August on the understanding that cash would arrive and the takeover completed by August 31st! Link------> Where Is The Money? The reason for the delay is Kevin Heaney owns another club Truro City, which you can't do under League rules, so while he is still involved or owns the other club it should in theory never be approved. Although he states he has pulled out, the bid is by a holding company who do not show the names of Directors, It is believed that Heaney is involved in the company because he set it up. So how long do the players wait im sure theres more important outstanding costs than paying the players, on which the clubs survival may depend. yeah i agree this loyalty is missing, but it shouldnt be.. what the plymouth players have done should be expected of them as proffessionals supported by paying fans every week. impressive knowledge but the players should wait it out in order to see what may come of this takeover as it was only approved on the 26th august. even if its only for another month, the bid was only approved a week or so ago.. Can I ask 3 questions ? 1) Are you now doing this as a wind up 2) What can be more important than paying your staff (players). If the players leave or go on strike = no team and no team = no match, no match = no money coming into the club. 3) If the consortium, as you say is so close to getting the club and are sure it's going to happen so soon. Why not pay the players, It shows good will and the players would be happy. This could of been done weeks ago and not be in this situation. The only reason I can see for them not to do it, is because they are not sure it's going to happen. Thanx for the complement on knowledge, but it was only 5 - 10 mins of looking on the internet, so not that impressive.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 2, 2011 13:35:10 GMT 1
gtismygod - are you for real or are you just trying to wind people on here up?
If you are for real you have a great deal to learn.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 2, 2011 13:38:53 GMT 1
i think they should give something back to the club and the fans after the great support even after two successive relegations. you wouldnt agree that proffessional footballers should show loyalty to the club and its fans? OK, I think Hatfieldshrew had it right, this must be a wind up? Otherwise it may win an award as the dumbest post I've ever read.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 13:43:16 GMT 1
good lord i really do give up...
the players dont owe the club contractually, i mean morally..
and paying the players isnt the most important thing as the club can always find youth players, or even people willing to play for free, but tax needs to be payed in order to survive as a b usiness..
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 2, 2011 13:44:32 GMT 1
good lord i really do give up... Perhaps that would be best option
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 2, 2011 13:45:42 GMT 1
good lord i really do give up... Perhaps that would be best option really have been slapped silly on this thread...
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