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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jan 22, 2011 23:26:30 GMT 1
Yes I believe that B and C will score more than 15 goals when they have played 40 odd games between them this season. Really surprising that your only supporter is heavenly. Most fans recognise that we need to strengthen midfield. Right here Ed
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Post by Jonah on Jan 22, 2011 23:28:48 GMT 1
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jan 22, 2011 23:29:00 GMT 1
Ed you know full well that Harrold brings more to the team than scoring goals.
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Post by jaytee on Jan 22, 2011 23:39:00 GMT 1
The other thing we have to remember, is that GT is aware of scores in other games. As it turned out, a draw wasn't the end of the world. That's not luck, that's planning.
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Post by frustratedshrew on Jan 22, 2011 23:49:52 GMT 1
the problem with matt harrold is he isn't mobile enough he lacks pace. we look more dangerous on the attack with collins and bradshaw and the 2 wingers attacking than harrold thats why wycombe let him go. i thought harrold was our best striker but when you see collins and bradshaw upfront harrold isn't good enough i would sell both robbo and harrold if we can get in better players as today i didn't want tb or jc to come off because our other two fit strikers arent as good. elder will replace harrold when hes fit.
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Post by nicko on Jan 23, 2011 8:29:21 GMT 1
I known he is only 19 but........ IMO his introduction to the team has come to early. The effort may be there but nothing more. He is to lightweight and to date doesn't know were the net is. He doesn't trouble the Oppositions CH who barely break sweat against him. Today was crying out for someone like MH to give their back line some sort of contest. A 19 and 20 year old are finding it hard. Get some experience in there GT. The same Tom Bradshaw who set up two goals Tuesday, worked some good positions today and considering his age is much stronger then Robinson. There were two moments that stood out for me yesterday. One in the first half when he worked some space (making his marker sweat) and fired in a shot; trying to think of the last time one of our strikers tried that. In the second half, with his back to goal, turned his marker and showed strength and determination (despite being fouled in my opinion) to get another shot off. I think its no coincidence that since Collins (good record at Burton) and Bradshaw have started we've looked a lot more threatening 'up top'. Despite that I think Harrold is a bit unlucky to be dropped and still has a part to play. Robinson will be gone at the end of the season if not before and it'll be no great loss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 12:01:03 GMT 1
To suggest hes got nothing else other than effort is almost laughable.
Yes he's lightweight and his touch can be a bit hit and miss but at times he did hold up the ball well and brought players into the game with some intelligent football
As Nicko said that turn in the second half showed intelligance, skill, a deft touch, pace and strength but what was lacking was obviously the finish. But certainly it was more than just effort that got him the position
Yes theres lots of room for improvement for him but Id much rather him in the team than the Jake Robinson we were seeing before he was dropped. To me the debate is not whether its Harrold or Bradshaw but whether it Robinson or Bradshaw and IMO its quite clear who it should be
Another point is he's not helped by the continous long balls to him as he's not going to win much in the air. I noticed yesterday that the Chesterfield defenders were playing the ball to the strikers either along the deck or chipping into their chest so they could control it and our defenders could not get it. However our defenders seemed to play balls at head hight or over which was obviously easy for their defenders
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 12:07:28 GMT 1
I dont think its too early for Tom, i just dont think we are playing his kind of football, hoofing balls high is never going to get the best out of him and he is always going to suffer in big physical battles against centre halfs, so we need to turn the table and use Toms strengths, pace and agility.
we need to start putting balls through, on the ground for him to run onto, or ball to feet.
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Post by mrbunny on Jan 23, 2011 12:29:49 GMT 1
Young former youth team striker in criticism for not scoring shock.
Why can't people get behind youngsters instead of slagging them off?
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Post by texmexshrew on Jan 23, 2011 12:47:39 GMT 1
To the OP - who are you comparing him with? He isnt there Instead of Harrold is he - so he/we are likely to be set up differently. See the Burton game for the pure counter argument to his ' too lightweight' statement. he the game to their CH's , ran them down the channels, and didnt shy away from any physical elements of the game.
Now if you wanna be objective, tell us what he brings to the team, I'll start: Team work - runs tirelessly into channels and works the defence when we dont have the ball. Appreciates movement of team mates, and finds them when doubled up. (2 very good assists at Accy for example) Unlike Robinson who is the better comparsion, and plays solo. Certainly more phyiscal and stronger than Robinson. How many free kicks has he won in the last 3 or games?
Someone mentioned the games coming up - 4 in 10 days starting at Accy......there will be time when the bench will be needed and a change starting line ups due to fatigue. For now, the front 2 are showing signs of being a decent partnership and should be allowed to blossom. And be supported.
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Post by jaytee on Jan 23, 2011 12:47:42 GMT 1
Young former youth team striker in criticism for not scoring shock. Why can't people get behind youngsters instead of slagging them off? I think the vast majority of us are. My question is whether we can expect Tom to play 90 minutes twice a week. I don't want to see him burnt out.
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Jan 23, 2011 12:54:45 GMT 1
Probably agree that he seems very lightweight, and cant really head the ball. But that will all come to him with more experiance.
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 23, 2011 13:01:02 GMT 1
At present Bradshaw is rightly being selected ahead of Robinson who, although a talented player, is more easily knocked off the ball and too frequently anonymous; while Collins rightly keeps his place after a brace at Accrington.
I agree with Matron that Bradshaw was hardly spoilt for quality, 'on-the-deck' service yesterday and did well to use his skill to work a couple of good openings for himself and test the 'keeper.
The bare facts alone rubbish the statement that he 'doesn't know where the back of the net is'.
He's got real potential and will only get better with regular first team football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 13:09:38 GMT 1
I think him and Collins as a front pairing have been a breath of fresh air and that it's no conincidence that when those two have been on the pitch against Morecambe, Barnet, Accy and Chesterfield we seem to have been a bigger threat up top, having more efforts at goal, than previously.
That said isn't it good to have the likes of Harrold and Robinson as back up? I'm sure they both will have important parts to play before the season is out.
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Post by Liam on Jan 23, 2011 13:19:19 GMT 1
Bradshaw deserves his place in the team at the moment.
An incident yesterday which summed up why was when, in the 90th minute, he sprinted 40 yards to tackle the Chesterfield right-back (who was about twice his size) and cut out what would have been a high ball into a packed penalty area.
Robinson just wouldn't do that. He might have run over there and made a token effort to close the bloke down, but there's no way he would have hurled himself into the tackle and charged the ball down.
The time may come soon when Bradshaw needs a rest, but at the moment he deserves to start if fit.
I am looking forward to seeing a Harold/Collins partnership at some point though, especially away from home - I wouldn't fancy having to brawl with those two for 90 minutes if I was a centre half.
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