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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 13, 2010 12:24:02 GMT 1
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/11/germany-bayern-mario-gomez-gay-footballersArticle about mario gomez, who has stated in Germany that gay players should come out, and that it should no longer be a taboo subject. valiant words after previous players saying gay players shouldn't come out and recently Croatian (i think) FA president saying gay players weren't allowed to play in the national team. Wondering how the media in particular would treat a UK player if they came out, and how much protection they would get. I'm sure many players have considered coming out, and for i'm sure multiple reasons have not done so. Surely more things could be done to help players come out
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Post by jaytee on Nov 13, 2010 13:24:42 GMT 1
We've had a gay player at Shrewsbury. Doesn't bother me to be honest.
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Post by d00bie on Nov 13, 2010 13:41:16 GMT 1
As a supporter I don't care either way if he's gay or not.
But if I was a teamate of them, that would certainly put a different perspective on my answer, I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 13:43:41 GMT 1
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Post by froggy on Nov 13, 2010 14:00:28 GMT 1
As a supporter I don't care either way if he's gay or not. But if I was a teamate of them, that would certainly put a different perspective on my answer, I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms. Really? Because you're gay means that you're going to latch onto naked players and do 'gay' things. Grow up and look at things in reality!
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Post by theshrews81 on Nov 13, 2010 14:28:24 GMT 1
As a supporter I don't care either way if he's gay or not. But if I was a teamate of them, that would certainly put a different perspective on my answer, I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms. Really? Because you're gay means that you're going to latch onto naked players and do 'gay' things. Grow up and look at things in reality! U really are an argumentative little so and so, someone is being honest and u have a go at him! If you can honestly say it wouldn't make you uneasy at first then fair play to you! I know it's a sad reflection on me but at first I would prob feel awkward if it was my teammate but it wouldn't stop me wanting them on my team and fully supporting them if thru did come out!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 13, 2010 14:54:22 GMT 1
There were a couple of gay lads in the works team I played for many years ago.
They were good players and their sexual preferences were never an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 15:14:53 GMT 1
It shouldn't be an issue whether you are gay, straight, bisexual but unfortunately for too many people it is.
You only have to look on this thread and you have someone calling for Ned to post a reply (why the need for this?) and also someone else saying about feeling uncomfortable in the dressing room. Do you honestly think that a gay footballer would be eyeing up or coming on to his team mates - thats just a disrespectful thing to suggest.
I don't think we will have any footballers 'come out' to be honest. Not only would the press have a field day with it all, there are still too many fans / members of the general public who have a lack of understanding and would make life very uncomfortable for any player who was gay or bisexual - once again, look at the hard time some people have had on here when people find out their sexuality is different to that of their own.
I mean really - does it matter all that much what happens in private? Shouldn't people just worry about their own lives rather than passing judgment on things they don't understand?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 13, 2010 16:15:14 GMT 1
Blimey, amazed some people still think like that. If there are similiar opinions in the dressing rooms, I guess I am not surprised players don't come out. Horrible reflection of our society really. As gomez states in the article, if a player does not feel comfortable in coming out, then it will affect his performances. Surely as a fellow player or supporter this is the most important thing. Pathetic calling on another poster too. Totally agree with DarwinShrew
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 16:21:28 GMT 1
Totally agree with DarwinShrew Hehe, there's a first on here! Thought I would be the only one!
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Post by theyesman on Nov 13, 2010 18:01:27 GMT 1
Leo, Leo, Leo!
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Post by jamo on Nov 13, 2010 18:36:13 GMT 1
But if I was a teamate of them, that would certainly put a different perspective on my answer, I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms. That's a ridiculous comment Doobie. You've played amateur football for long enough to have shared the changing rooms with plenty of gay blokes..you just weren't aware of their sexuality. Did that make a difference to you ?
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Post by nicko on Nov 13, 2010 18:44:27 GMT 1
It's hard to believe that somebodies sexuality is still a big issue in this day and age.
Having served with openly gay men in the RAF and, on occassions, living in close proximity with them I can assure those who would "feel uncomfortable in the showers" that you'd have nothing to fear.
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Post by mrbunny on Nov 13, 2010 18:51:00 GMT 1
Who cares?
Actors and musicians are allowed to be openly gay and it doesn't bother anyone so why not sporting stars?
Yes it may cause a few problems to start with due to people being ignorant but eventually you would accept it.If not you are a sad individual.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 18:54:42 GMT 1
It's very interesting to see peoples views - positive i would say. However, if a fellow fan was abusing an openly gay footballer, would you react to that in the same way as you would if it was a fan abusing a black footballer?
No matter how openminded and tolerant those on here are, there will always be those who attend games who would love nothing more than to abuse and attack those players who have a different sexuality to what they deem 'normal'... this is the crux of the problem I feel
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Post by eclipsechaser on Nov 13, 2010 21:04:52 GMT 1
We've had a gay player at Shrewsbury. Doesn't bother me to be honest. Give me a kiss and i will tell you who it is !
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 13, 2010 21:07:30 GMT 1
We've had a gay player at Shrewsbury. Doesn't bother me to be honest. Pab never played for Shrewsbury
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 13, 2010 21:09:21 GMT 1
I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms. Who would you feel then duckie
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Post by eclipsechaser on Nov 13, 2010 21:11:24 GMT 1
I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms. Who would you feel then duckie Did he mean ' comfortable ' or ' constable ' ? I'm pretty sure that one of those would be an arrestable offence . Or does he like to wear handcuffs on a Saturday night ?
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Post by onthetrain92 on Nov 13, 2010 21:59:01 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my ass or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter.
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Post by Fingers on Nov 13, 2010 22:09:33 GMT 1
I trust the personal abuse will warrant a punishment?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 22:09:57 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. And what makes you so cocky and sure to think they would even want to look at you?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 22:11:15 GMT 1
I trust the personal abuse will warrant a punishment? There was no personal abuse, just jobsworth moderating from a pretty sad individual.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 22:14:03 GMT 1
I didn't think it was abuse, but it was pointing the finger which does seem to highlight some of the reasons why footballers and fans to a certain extent, feel that this issue is still very taboo
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Post by Fingers on Nov 13, 2010 22:14:29 GMT 1
I trust the personal abuse will warrant a punishment? There was no personal abuse, just jobsworth moderating from a pretty sad individual. Perhaps you should think before you post, the moderator felt it appropriate to remove.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Nov 13, 2010 22:17:12 GMT 1
Ok, so if you were the one bloke in a ladies footy team and you all showered together, you wouldnt have a perv? (if you said no, you're one of the aforementioned gay types )
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Post by eclipsechaser on Nov 13, 2010 22:38:08 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. I've heard its only a ' dingle '! ' .
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 14, 2010 0:46:24 GMT 1
It's very interesting to see peoples views - positive i would say. However, if a fellow fan was abusing an openly gay footballer, would you react to that in the same way as you would if it was a fan abusing a black footballer? No matter how openminded and tolerant those on here are, there will always be those who attend games who would love nothing more than to abuse and attack those players who have a different sexuality to what they deem 'normal'... this is the crux of the problem I feel a hell of a long time to get rid of racial prejudice though. and went through with societies feelings. From a lot of the guys i know who play football i think they would have a problem with having a gay team-mate. Certainly when i was playing football up until the age of 16 (about 5 yrs ago), if I was gay i would never have come out to them, similar with most of the boys in my secondary school. Unless things have changed a hell oif a lot in five years, there is still a hell of a way to come. Have to say though, the only argument so far on this entire thread is that you wouldn't liek ot shower with them? seems like very thin argument to me
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Post by jaytee on Nov 14, 2010 1:04:21 GMT 1
And what makes you so cocky Well I like to look at a great big pair of.......sorry, someone's at the door.
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Post by Victoria on Nov 14, 2010 1:12:35 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. This entire arguement is based on the assumption you're an attractive bloke. I'm sure all these men and women who are checking out your dingle (sounds impressive) will be able to control themselves in a public place. Do you find both men and women throwing themselves at you in the street or the pub? Are you beating them off with a stick in Tescos? Imagine what would happen in the showers at a sports club?! Those gay men just have no self control and are all a bunch of rapists. you know, straight men are never seen letching at women, they have so much self control compared to those 'gays'. This thread alone sums up why gay players don't come out.
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