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Post by jaytee on Nov 14, 2010 1:23:53 GMT 1
This entire arguement is based on the assumption you're an attractive bloke. Right, that's me ****ed then.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Nov 14, 2010 1:25:46 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. This entire arguement is based on the assumption you're an attractive bloke. I'm sure all these men and women who are checking out your dingle (sounds impressive) will be able to control themselves in a public place. Do you find both men and women throwing themselves at you in the street or the pub? Are you beating them off with a stick in Tescos? Imagine what would happen in the showers at a sports club?! Those gay men just have no self control and are all a bunch of rapists. you know, straight men are never seen letching at women, they have so much self control compared to those 'gays'. This thread alone sums up why gay players don't come out. Chip on the shoulder? People will look at whichever sex they find attractive, gay men will look at naked men, just as hetrosexual men will look at naked women. If you think that gay men only look at attractive men (and likewise for straight men and attractive women) you are utterly misguided.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Nov 14, 2010 14:01:13 GMT 1
But if I was a teamate of them, that would certainly put a different perspective on my answer, I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in the changing rooms. That's a ridiculous comment Doobie. You've played amateur football for long enough to have shared the changing rooms with plenty of gay blokes..you just weren't aware of their sexuality. Did that make a difference to you ? But the majority of his illustrious career was playing for the Monkmoor Hotel - he has to say that doesn't he
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Nov 14, 2010 14:13:30 GMT 1
In fact I was with Doobie in the pub the other night when a man came over to him and said, "You look like a poof." Doobie was so outraged he immediately challenged him to a dance off
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Nov 14, 2010 14:21:22 GMT 1
In fact I was with Doobie in the pub the other night when a man came over to him and said, "You look like a poof." Doobie was so outraged he immediately challenged him to a dance off Reg, The Doobster was at the bar at the time when that bloke cam over to your table and asked the question!!! Back to the original question, and surely it is down to the individual as to whether they make known their sexuality. It should not be an issue for anyone provided an individual does not try to come on to someone in an inappropriate manner.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Nov 14, 2010 14:46:30 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. And what makes you so cocky and sure to think they would even want to look at you?! What makes me so cocky, i aint being cocky at all, its just a case that you're lazy not reading the entire post. I CLEARLY STATE [glow=red,2,300]" Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter."[/glow]
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Post by onthetrain92 on Nov 14, 2010 17:11:29 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. This entire arguement is based on the assumption you're an attractive bloke. I'm sure all these men and women who are checking out your dingle (sounds impressive) will be able to control themselves in a public place. Do you find both men and women throwing themselves at you in the street or the pub? Are you beating them off with a stick in Tescos? Imagine what would happen in the showers at a sports club?! Those gay men just have no self control and are all a bunch of rapists. you know, straight men are never seen letching at women, they have so much self control compared to those 'gays'. This thread alone sums up why gay players don't come out. FFS read the entire post before your bloody assumptions! I repeat a ****ing again! [glow=red,2,300]"Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter"[/glow]
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Post by onthetrain92 on Nov 14, 2010 17:15:06 GMT 1
Look you don't have mixed teams where women and man shower together, with a gay man and a straight man its the same thing, I wouldn't want anybody looking at my @rse or my dingle dangle in the shower especially if i knew they were gay and for same matter i wouldn't want a woman looking at me in the shower if i wasn't attracted to her. Not that they would look at me but its the principle of the matter. I've heard its only a ' dingle '! ' . ****ing lier! You don't know my misses so you have heard **** all.
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Post by Mr Brightside on Nov 16, 2010 14:59:43 GMT 1
Hmm, well. A subject close to my heart, seeing as my final year dissertation is studying homosexuality in football... I tend to agree with DarwinShrew. The problem is the institutionalised homophobia that is part and parcel of football. There is no getting away from it - from the chants, the comments made from supporters on the terraces, the hounding of the UK tabloid press, and idiots like Vlatko Markovic ( www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/10/croatian-fa-legal-action-gay) and our own Football Association ( www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/08/fa-delay-homophiobia-video) are really not helping matters (even though their "kicking homophobia from football" campaign is supposed to be getting as much exposure as the anti-racism campaign). The Mario Gomes story is a fine example - I was talking to this with a couple of the lads at work the other day (I work at Manchester City) and made the comment that there are currently no out professional footballers, to which one replied with "Mario Gomes came out the other day". Now Gomes hasn't actually said that he's gay, straight, or bi-sexual - all he's said (which I applaud him for) to a German magazine is that in his opinion being honest about their sexuality would improve gay players' performance. "They would play as if they had been liberated," Gomez said. "Being gay should no longer be a taboo topic." I have to take my hat off to Darren Purse as well (as much as it pains me to be civil to an ex-bluenose) who has said similar things in recent interviews. And of course if you look at the men who play with funny-shaped balls, Gareth Thomas is a little bit of a hero there for coming out whilst still playing at the highest level - and at least the authorities are backing him and standing up for what is right:( www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/04/gareth-thomas-rfl-castleford) Without going on for too long, there is seemingly a lot of work to be done before any professional footballer is going to find it comfortable to 'come out' - but the seeds are being sown. We had a discussion from ThrobsBlackHat a few years back - blueandamber.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=39220&page=1 - about homosexual footballers (but amateur rather than professional) and it keeps being brought up, so I guess it's a positive thing that it's still very much on the agenda, although I personally agree with DarwinShrew in that does it really matter whether Sol Campbell, Matthew Taylor or John O'Shea are straight, gay or bisexual? (I pick these as they are the names most often banded round when 'Potentially Gay Footballers' are discussed) - surely we should respect them enough to keep their private lives private, and leave them to do their talking out on the pitch. If they wish to tackle the subject themselves then great, but I'm not convinced about the current pressure there seems to be to have a footballing equivalent of someone like Gareth Thomas, Ian Roberts or Matthew Mitcham.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 15:26:56 GMT 1
Brilliant post Brighty!
Reading that old thread as well... its bonkers isn't it! I just wonder though, had Le Saux actually been gay and come out, would he have received the treatment he actually did? Im not so sure he would have you know... therein lies a tale
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Post by jaytee on Nov 16, 2010 22:01:01 GMT 1
I read your post Dan before it was deleted and the points you made were fair enough. Not everyone is comfortable with homosexuality. I met gay people quite early on in life, so it doesn't bother me. I used to have a drink with a gay bloke occasionally, the nicest most generous man you could wish to meet. By the way, folks, gay people do have a sense of humour, I'm sure they wouldn't take offence.
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Post by El Presidente on Nov 16, 2010 22:12:37 GMT 1
This entire arguement is based on the assumption you're an attractive bloke. Right, that's me ****ed then. Or as well hung as a charcuterie...
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Post by jaytee on Nov 16, 2010 22:31:50 GMT 1
Or as well hung as a charcuterie... That's a dirty, rotten, stinking lie. I've never served tea for a living in my life.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 17, 2010 0:18:14 GMT 1
Great post Mr Brightside.
Didnt think it would be long for people to assume Gomez is gay simply because he has come out and made a statement about it.
You said that the FA are meant to be giving the same amount of time to the anti homophobia campaign and to the antiracism campaign, which is partly the point I made in my initial post - the lack of support Gay footballers might get with coming out. As you are writing a dissertation about it, do you know more about what the FA/pfa etc are actually doing?
Hope the dissertation goes well, I have to write mine next year, not looking forward to it!
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Post by Mr Brightside on Nov 17, 2010 12:18:54 GMT 1
Cheers Shrewatthemeadow, which Uni you at? Be happy to chat about it more, drop me a PM if you want?
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Post by venceremos on Nov 18, 2010 1:19:23 GMT 1
Enjoyed this thread. Some thought provoking posts, some funny posts and - hey, some things never change! - some people still seem to think that gay men just can't help being voracious sexual predators in the company of naked straight men.
Hilarious, whatever next? Straight men trying to "convert" lesbians? Will the 1970s never end???
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Post by Throbbing Gristle on Nov 18, 2010 21:32:23 GMT 1
What a thread, some peoples attitudes to gay men is hilarious. You're actually laughing at the poster, then you cringe, then feel a bit of anger, but then going back to laughing at them.
That example of being in a changing room, I mean seriously, how old are some of you...It's what I'd expect from a couple of 12 year old boys.
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Post by El Presidente on Nov 18, 2010 21:38:11 GMT 1
That example of being in a changing room, I mean seriously, how old are some of you...It's what I'd expect from a couple of 12 year old boys. Or Catholic Bishops...?! ooooo...shouldn't mix the two...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 18, 2010 23:40:47 GMT 1
I was with a group in Brighton this year who decided they wanted to go to a gay nightclub.
I went and really enjoyed it.
Other lads there were very uncomfortable.
I was working on the principle that I don't get hassle off women trying force me into bed in a nightclub so I don't expect it off blokes.
Suffice to say I was safe on both counts. Some very pretty girls in there mind. Straight women who go there because it is a lot safer for them than a normal club.
The next night we went to this massive normal club, and the atmosphere was horrible. It really was a meat market with loads of aggressive men there.
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Post by jaytee on Nov 19, 2010 0:22:38 GMT 1
Being serious, freedom of speech, within reason. I know people who don't like gays/blacks, etc. I don't preach. I can have a drink with any of them. Good and bad everywhere. None of my business. We all have a choice.
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