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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2010 17:10:17 GMT 1
Gonna be one or two in detention later I think
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Post by elmundo on Nov 10, 2010 17:11:01 GMT 1
Several friends of mine are in London today, apparently some of the scenes have been rather unsavoury.
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Post by mrmagoo on Nov 10, 2010 17:19:51 GMT 1
I wouldn't say all present were students..
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Post by kuffdam72 on Nov 10, 2010 17:43:56 GMT 1
looks like the looney left are having a day out, and people moan about the likes of the EDL .
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 10, 2010 18:09:10 GMT 1
couldn't get the day off work to head down today. Heard reports that 52, 000 turned out, which is absolutely massive. Real shame that the media will clearly focus on the trouble makers, rather than the biggest march since Stop the War.
Heard an abolsutely shameless comment by the Lib Dems earlier too, something along the lines of 'who do you think is going to pay for your education? the fairies? '
Who is ever going to ever vote for the Lib Dems again?? Last year i lived in a constituency who voted in a lib dem, because of promises made to students. He will have no chance unless he defects now
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 10, 2010 18:17:07 GMT 1
looks like the looney left are having a day out, and people moan about the likes of the EDL . To compare a protest by students of all persuasions with the EDL who are attacking one section of the population is an insult to the vast majority of hard working students. The ConDem seem unable to recognise the long term problems they are creating for research, the housing market and growth in the economy by head in the sand policy for higher education and immigration.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 18:21:23 GMT 1
the violence should be condemned, regardless of who is responcible, but agree that any comparison to the EDL and their vile agenda is absurd.
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Post by islaymalt on Nov 10, 2010 18:29:53 GMT 1
EDL? What are they doing in down there in Wales
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Post by mattmw on Nov 10, 2010 18:31:58 GMT 1
Fantastic "eye witness" report on the BBC news from a Evening Standard photographer - "the police are being quite restrained, they are just hitting protesters on their lower legs rather than on the head as they usually do"
50,000 is a decent turnout hope it makes the lib dems think twice about the tuition fees
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Post by Mike on Nov 10, 2010 18:33:31 GMT 1
Maybe they should protest against the labour party headquarters. After all it was them that bled this country dry and have forced the hands of the conservatives in having to make these difficult decisions.
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Post by mattmw on Nov 10, 2010 18:50:17 GMT 1
Also a rather clever banner saying "Kay Burley - what you get if you don't invest in education" seen at the protest
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Post by jaytee on Nov 10, 2010 19:09:31 GMT 1
the police are being quite restrained, they are just hitting protesters on their lower legs rather than on the head as they usually do" They want to hit them somewhere where they'll feel it.
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Post by salopianed on Nov 10, 2010 19:20:59 GMT 1
Living in a constituency awash with students, my MP, Mr Clegg campaigned vigorously for the abolition of tuition fees in May. We received Lib Dem propaganda on a daily basis targeted solely at students regarding fees. To have the audacity to the go and raise the cap on fees by 6k, a few months later is a bit much. No wonder the students are angry
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 20:30:27 GMT 1
Maybe they should protest against the labour party headquarters. After all it was them that bled this country dry and have forced the hands of the conservatives in having to make these difficult decisions. yeh the tories have been really forced into this havent they. there is no economics here, this is all part of the tory party policy agenda.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 10, 2010 20:55:23 GMT 1
It's calculated that if you earn £41k it will take 30 years to repay fees (assuming they are £27k) during which time you will pay £31k in interest.
The way to avoid paying is to either get a low paying job, have rich parents who will pay the fees, emigrate after getting your degree or forget about further education.
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Post by El Presidente on Nov 10, 2010 21:50:46 GMT 1
Now this may sound controversial to some...but... Higher education is already oversubscribed. Perhaps this will stop some people doing 'nothing' degrees instead of heading into employment or other vocational training, and raising peoples expectations unnecessarily. I did not gain a degree or go to university (well, visited a few but not to study) but that did not stop me from achieving a hell of a lot, so far, and earning well above the national average. I also find the link most peoplemake between your social background, and potential to achieve in life, nothing more than myth. If you try hard, and focus, you can do anything you want. Yes, access to ready funds (ie the wealthy families in life) makes things so much easier, but I think some people need a reality check. Life is not easy, but it is damned rewarding when you stick two fingers up to the people who expect you to fail, who then fall off their chairs when you surpass them.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 10, 2010 23:08:46 GMT 1
Homophobic insult removed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 23:28:53 GMT 1
Thats a fair point there Mike, though anyone who backed the Lib Dems would probably be very annoyed now as they have backed the tories plans.
Labour did start the whole student loan, tuition fee malarky, there is simply too many people going to university now, when I went I certainly didn't get value for money.
I'm all for the cleverest students going to university, regardless of class or where you come from, its a complete free for all at the moment and I can understand why the fees have to raised
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 23:45:22 GMT 1
Thats a very astute and intelligent way of dealing with the problem. Did you go to University by the way.
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Post by salopianed on Nov 10, 2010 23:49:09 GMT 1
surprise surprise, Heavenly ruins a perfectly sensible thread trying to grab some attention for himself. Grow up......
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Post by mattmw on Nov 11, 2010 0:00:47 GMT 1
Can't throw them in prison as the condems are going to close them all and ask the WI to run them instead
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Post by albionshrew on Nov 11, 2010 2:08:12 GMT 1
As an ex-student who had his life changed by Higher Education I am a big fan of good quality education for all. However, there is no way I would have studied beyond FE (let alone HE) as it was free. In my opinion degree students from all walks of life should not pay any fees. If they have wealthy parents then their parents are paying higher rates of income tax anyway (and I say this as a Labour voter). I suppose my education made me 'middle class/professional' (from single parent/widowed mother, free school meals, secondary modern slow learner) as it gave me the time and opportunity to develop my skills/potential. No way would this happen to my counterparts now - lifelong debt is a real fear! I teach 16-18 year olds in FE and hesitate to advise them to go for HE from an economic point of view - though I am obliged to by my employer. I can only see the Tories being intent on keeping the lower classes in their place whilst the Lib Dems will U-turn big time in their vainglorious pursuit for political power. They are pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2010 7:20:39 GMT 1
shocking post. you really are an idiot heavenly. As an ex-student who had his life changed by Higher Education I am a big fan of good quality education for all. However, there is no way I would have studied beyond FE (let alone HE) as it was free. In my opinion degree students from all walks of life should not pay any fees. If they have wealthy parents then their parents are paying higher rates of income tax anyway (and I say this as a Labour voter). I suppose my education made me 'middle class/professional' (from single parent/widowed mother, free school meals, secondary modern slow learner) as it gave me the time and opportunity to develop my skills/potential. No way would this happen to my counterparts now - lifelong debt is a real fear! I teach 16-18 year olds in FE and hesitate to advise them to go for HE from an economic point of view - though I am obliged to by my employer. I can only see the Tories being intent on keeping the lower classes in their place whilst the Lib Dems will U-turn big time in their vainglorious pursuit for political power. They are pathetic. excellent post
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Post by Minor on Nov 11, 2010 7:44:31 GMT 1
Now this may sound controversial to some...but... Higher education is already oversubscribed. Perhaps this will stop some people doing 'nothing' degrees instead of heading into employment or other vocational training, and raising peoples expectations unnecessarily. I did not gain a degree or go to university (well, visited a few but not to study) but that did not stop me from achieving a hell of a lot, so far, and earning well above the national average. I also find the link most peoplemake between your social background, and potential to achieve in life, nothing more than myth. If you try hard, and focus, you can do anything you want. Yes, access to ready funds (ie the wealthy families in life) makes things so much easier, but I think some people need a reality check. Life is not easy, but it is damned rewarding when you stick two fingers up to the people who expect you to fail, who then fall off their chairs when you surpass them. Spot on Sir
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Post by nicko on Nov 11, 2010 9:10:15 GMT 1
It wasn't just a protest about fees, it was just as much about the proposed cuts in public services. There were plenty of banners to suggest this.
There was never just going to be students and FE/HE workers on this march; other elements were bound to be present and to think otherwise is naive.
Personally I don't condemn the violence, they targeted the right building and this march is still very much in the news. People are angry and rightly so. I feel this is just the beginning.
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 11, 2010 9:14:53 GMT 1
It seems to me that you really do want to be banned, what an inane comment on a thread discussing a serious issue.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 11, 2010 9:16:19 GMT 1
surprise surprise, Heavenly ruins a perfectly sensible thread trying to grab some attention for himself. Grow up...... So you think these students who broke the law should get away with doing 1000s of pounds of damage Would you think the same if it was a bunch of chavs from south London
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Post by LufbraSalop on Nov 11, 2010 9:16:27 GMT 1
Can someone tell me what the Labour party policy on tutition fees please? Didn't see anyone knocking through their windows when they introduced tuition fees and then broke an election promise not to put them up!
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Nov 11, 2010 9:33:47 GMT 1
Can someone tell me what the Labour party policy on tutition fees please? Didn't see anyone knocking through their windows when they introduced tuition fees and then broke an election promise not to put them up! The same as any opposition party ......... What ever sounds good to get votes.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 11, 2010 9:57:16 GMT 1
I feel in the present climate everybody is going to have to take a hit, inclusive i'm afraid of students. On a selfish note my two are currently at Uni, one will have left and the youngest will only have one year left so we will get away quite lightly. I don't even blame the Lib Dems for changing a policy/pledge, times change and the politicians must be flexible enough to change with them. As for the violence yesterday, undoubtedly the Students were infiltrated by harder elements. Shame really Reasonable Protest 0 Hard Left 1
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