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Post by BelleVueShrew on Sept 12, 2010 13:42:52 GMT 1
Before the start of the season I put up a thread about 'Pool's chances of Premier League survival and if anyone thought they stood a chance. Whilst one or two did give them hope, many more were of the opinion that they had no hope, whilst some posters were even confident enough to proclaim they would 'comfortably beat' the lowets ever Premiership points total - 11 by the way set by Derby. Well, it's early days of course and I know Hull & Burnley both previously made good starts before faltering away badly with Hull just surviving and Burnley not. But 7 points from 4 games (and a Champions League spot to boot ) with three of those 4 away, is probably making the posters who proclaimed less than 11 points a nailed on certainty look a little silly!! Care to re-evaluate now Ed, South Stand Shrew, Tux or the Burnley supporting mate of Shropshire Tenor? ??
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Sept 12, 2010 13:51:45 GMT 1
Here are some reminders of the confidence of certain posters in dissing any chance Ian Holloway and his team had: Not a chance. There gonna finish on lower points then dearby did a few seasons ago. I'd love to see them survive but its just not going to happen. I know they have already defied all odds and that holloway is a fantastic manager but come on most of there team are not even championship quality. Not a chance. There gonna finish on lower points then dearby did a few seasons ago. I'd love to see them survive but its just not going to happen. I know they have already defied all odds and that holloway is a fantastic manager but come on most of there team are not even championship quality. My pal is a Burnley season ticket holder, he told me last season that he did not realise how big the gulf between the Premiership and the Championship was until he had seen the top teams in the flesh. He says Burnely were out of their depth and lucky to get 30 points. He also says Blackpool have less ability than Burnley and are nailed on for a new record low points total. have any of the posters who have confidently stated "no chance" mellowed enough to concede they may stand a chance of surviving? Also, have those who proclaimed relegation with a record low points total changed their minds? No, they'll still finish bottom with a record low points total. Will be lucky to get another win before October. Are playing Arsenal next week.
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Post by Ned on Sept 12, 2010 14:02:38 GMT 1
I still think they'll go down. Don't have the strength in depth to stay in that division.
Fair play to them, though.
I think they'll be in the bottom two.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Sept 12, 2010 14:05:43 GMT 1
They wont stay up its a marathon not a sprint. Hull and Burnley did the same look where they are now.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Sept 12, 2010 14:11:19 GMT 1
You've got to say fair play to them, I never said they'd break the record lowest points total but I still think they will finish bottom. Just being in the premiership they are living a dream, what an achievement and I'm sure they'll still be proud of their battling efforts to stay in the top flight come May.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Sept 12, 2010 15:02:51 GMT 1
I still think they'll go down. Don't have the strength in depth to stay in that division. Fair play to them, though. I think they'll be in the bottom two. Fair play Ed, I'm glad you are sticking with your convictions. Though I notice you have chosen to ignore the little matter where you confidently predicted they would finish with less points than Derby's 11 and also that they would fail to win again before October! The thing is, I have taken every post of yours with a pinch of salt since you came out with this gem: Blackpool did not 'play Cardiff off the park'. Cardiff didn't perform on the day, but 'Pool weren't much better. As those who will testify who were at Wembley with me, and to the likes of Bizzy and co whom I spoke with after, and who had watched the game on TV, a statement so wide of reality it is untrue. Perhaps up there with your worst posts, and where do we begin on that? So, keep predicting the drop young man!
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Post by Ned on Sept 12, 2010 15:19:17 GMT 1
I still think they'll go down. Don't have the strength in depth to stay in that division. Fair play to them, though. I think they'll be in the bottom two. Fair play Ed, I'm glad you are sticking with your convictions. Though I notice you have chosen to ignore the little matter where you confidently predicted they would finish with less points than Derby's 11 and also that they would fail to win again before October! The thing is, I have taken every post of yours with a pinch of salt since you came out with this gem: Blackpool did not 'play Cardiff off the park'. Cardiff didn't perform on the day, but 'Pool weren't much better. As those who will testify who were at Wembley with me, and to the likes of Bizzy and co whom I spoke with after, and who had watched the game on TV, a statement so wide of reality it is untrue. Perhaps up there with your worst posts, and where do we begin on that? So, keep predicting the drop young man! If you really think Blackpool were dominant that day then you're mistaken. The problem was that there was no cover for Jay Bothroyd, and he got injured early on. Blackpool were the better side, but that's only because Cardiff weren't at anywhere near their best. I wish good luck to Blackpool, although I can't stand 'Olly', and hope they stay up.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Sept 12, 2010 15:25:32 GMT 1
As I recall JB was still on the pitch when Cardiff scored against the run of play.
And you say Blackpool lack strength in depth?
Anyway, back to your opinion that Blackpool weren't dominant that day, please do come round to my house and watch the DVD -I've viewed it a few times now and yep, every time Blackpool have the lions share of play and chances. Just look at the stats if you don't believe me!
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Post by Ned on Sept 12, 2010 15:29:36 GMT 1
As I recall JB was still on the pitch when Cardiff scored against the run of play. And you say Blackpool lack strength in depth? Anyway, back to your opinion that Blackpool weren't dominant that day, please do come round to my house and watch the DVD -I've viewed it a few times now and yep, every time Blackpool have the lions share of play and chances. Just look at the stats if you don't believe me! This season, the strength in depth is there. Yesterday proved that. Bellamy, Chopra and Bothroyd were all injured and yet still managed a win against one of the better sides in the division. I might just take you up on that offer, Chris
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 12, 2010 15:37:14 GMT 1
As I recall JB was still on the pitch when Cardiff scored against the run of play. And you say Blackpool lack strength in depth? Anyway, back to your opinion that Blackpool weren't dominant that day, please do come round to my house and watch the DVD -I've viewed it a few times now and yep, every time Blackpool have the lions share of play and chances. Just look at the stats if you don't believe me! This season, the strength in depth is there. Yesterday proved that. Bellamy, Chopra and Bothroyd were all injured and yet still managed a win against one of the better sides in the division. Hull City?? hahahahahahahaha
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Post by Ned on Sept 12, 2010 15:42:17 GMT 1
This season, the strength in depth is there. Yesterday proved that. Bellamy, Chopra and Bothroyd were all injured and yet still managed a win against one of the better sides in the division. Hull City?? hahahahahahahaha Yeah, Hull City. The team who were in the Premier League last season and there current manager got a team to the Championship Play Offs Semi Final last season.
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 12, 2010 15:50:48 GMT 1
Hull City?? hahahahahahahaha Yeah, Hull City. The team who were in the Premier League last season and there current manager got a team to the Championship Play Offs Semi Final last season. Hull City, the team who are in dire financial straits, haven't won an away game in 30 games and who are languishing 19th??
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Post by shrewd67 on Sept 12, 2010 15:57:24 GMT 1
Was this thread about Blackpool or Cardiff City?!
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Post by Ned on Sept 12, 2010 15:59:51 GMT 1
Yeah, Hull City. The team who were in the Premier League last season and there current manager got a team to the Championship Play Offs Semi Final last season. Hull City, the team who are in dire financial straits, haven't won an away game in 30 games and who are languishing 19th?? In September
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 12, 2010 16:04:15 GMT 1
Hull City, the team who are in dire financial straits, haven't won an away game in 30 games and who are languishing 19th?? In September So I can't write them off in September, but you can proclaim them as one of the best teams in the league this early?
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 12, 2010 16:12:17 GMT 1
At the start of the season teams can surprise and perform well, sometimes they can sustain that performance throughout the season which is enough to keep them up or better. Notable examples in recent years include Reading and Hull. Therefore, you can't write off clubs completely.
It's a fun time for Blackpool and they're doing brilliantly at the moment but do they have the strength in depth to keep picking up points once the injuries inevitably strike and can they fightback from a losing run at this level ? These are the questions that remain unanswered for me at present. If they can do so, I think they may well prove the majority wrong this season.
My personal opinion is that they won't have the strength in depth though and will be extremely lucky to remain injury free therefore I think they will be involved in a relegation dogfight at the end of the season and I am still expecting them to go down.
Love Holloway though and the way he's got them playing !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 16:13:33 GMT 1
Blackpool are an unknown quantity. There's always a team that goes into the Prem for the first time who are written off at the start. Mark Lawrenson did the same thing with Bolton 10 years ago but now they're established. Bloomfield Road will be a horrid place to go to once the winter sets in and Blackpool's fans are hugely passionate and may be the difference between them staying up or not. Holloway deserves his crack at the big time. Shed loads of respect for the guy who has had horrendous problems with his children - I think I'm right in saying 3 of his 4 are profoundly deaf. He's a fine man and for those reasons I hope they stay up - stick my neck out and say they will survive without the need for a last day will they or won't they scenario. Well done The Tangerines!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 16:54:47 GMT 1
Love what they have achieved, and what ther'e doing at moment, but come end of season its bye bye Premiership hello Championship.
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Sept 12, 2010 17:49:43 GMT 1
Burnley got off to a good start last season, only to be relegated with games to spare.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 12, 2010 17:49:46 GMT 1
I contacted my mate but he was still too hung over from celebrating yesterday's come-back to make much sense.
He did mumble something about asking him again at Christmas.
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Post by nicko on Sept 12, 2010 18:14:19 GMT 1
Talk about getting carried away! It's the second week of September. It's too early to say. Blackpool may not get many more points than they have now, just like Salop might only lose a couple more games this season. On the other hand they might do an Ipswich and get 40 by Feb (I think) and Salop might never win away again.
Blackpool have every chance of staying up. They just need three teams to be worse than them.
West Ham and Wigan look likely candidates, they just need another. Wolves, West Brom and Newcastle spring to mind but who really knows in September?
I think Chris will have to wait until May to say I told you so.
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Post by Dale on Sept 12, 2010 18:33:16 GMT 1
They've made a better start than I thought they would, and all credit to them for that, but they've still got a long way to go yet, remember Hull making a flying start to their first PL season yet still only just survived on the last day of the season, but I hope they do stay up
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Post by jamo on Sept 12, 2010 18:45:58 GMT 1
Fair play to them for getting there but they won't get 30 points this season which means certain relegation.
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Post by Ned on Sept 12, 2010 18:49:01 GMT 1
Blackpool's next six games.
Chelsea away. Blackburn at home. Liverpool away. Manchester City at home. Birmingham away. West Brom at home.
I can only see them getting a around three or four points from those games, if that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 19:09:27 GMT 1
A decent start but if they arent in a relegation battle Ill be amazed
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Sept 12, 2010 19:48:19 GMT 1
The main point of this thread, although I admit I generalised it, was to gage the reaction of those who said they would get less than Derby's record low of 11 points. Ed, you talk about the next 6 games, but Holloway was targeting one point from the next 2 games before Newcastle yesterday. He has already surpassed that. They have to play the Chelsea's and Man City's of this world sometime (I won't even include Liverpool - and there are a team who lack strength in depth!!) Funnily enough there only defeat came at Arsenal and they were only one down and giving the Gunners a hell of a game until Evatt's sending off. Not many will get anything at the Emirates though, will they? I understand people will still write off their survival chances and, as I have stated before 'Pool will thrive on that and use it as their strength. Bit by bit though surely people must to realise they are not cannon fodder and just there to make up the numbers. They have a bit more to them than that. The first target I'm sure wil be to surpass 11 points and make people eat their words on that score; and that looks like being achieved quite quickly. In fact Ed I will wager within those next supposedly 6 difficult games you have mentioned.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Sept 12, 2010 20:34:12 GMT 1
Give credit where credit is due and Blackpool deserve loads of it, I hope they defy the 'pundits' and self acclaimed TV studio critics etc, for me the Premiership is a far better and far more enjoyable spectacle to watch with the likes of Blackpool participating and though there are those who will disagree The Premiership and the media circus that follows need the likes of the wonderful Ian Holloway in it.
What makes this mans achievements all the more remarkable are the personal difficulties/illnesses and disabilities faced by the closest members of his family, all of his children and his wife suffer in 1 way and another.
Top man and top team for me.
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Post by theyesman on Sept 12, 2010 22:00:30 GMT 1
With Matt Gilks in goal they've no chance of getting relegated, stunning performance yesterday!
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Post by shrewswolf on Sept 12, 2010 22:22:11 GMT 1
they're going to struggle, but theres no doubt blackpool will enjoy this year in the spotlight, and who knows the attacking brand they are sticking too may bring enough points to keep them up.. just. Though, one or two (probably 7 or 8) more thrashings will be handed out on the way. I really hope they do it, and the rest of the league should underestimate them at their peril.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 13, 2010 8:36:35 GMT 1
I hope Blackpool can survive, even if just for another season. I just hope that the fans and board don't expect mirales next season if they do survive this one. I stick by my prediction that one of the safest bets you'll have every week is that any game involving Blackpool will have more than 2.5 goals. Saturday was only two, but over the season you'll probably have more wins than losses with that bet. Good luck to your 'other team' Mr Wynne
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