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Post by Hippo on Sept 15, 2010 19:26:50 GMT 1
Link------> Oxford Times Interesting-ish article (well, not really, but it is sort of STFC related) where Simmo admits that he probably made a mistake in letting Constable go. "and we’d also got other good strikers like Guy Madjo and Michael Symes."
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Sept 15, 2010 19:55:34 GMT 1
A clueless man.
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Post by Dale on Sept 15, 2010 20:01:24 GMT 1
Michael Symes, Jimmy Ryan, Marc Pugh, James Constable....... just four quality players I can think of who Simmo let slip through the net.....
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Sept 15, 2010 20:30:01 GMT 1
...and we’d also got other good strikers like Guy Madjo... edit to say: he's since gone on to play for Guangdong Sunray Cave (China league one) and now Bylis Ballsh (Albanian Superliga). Certainly racking up the airmiles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 20:32:46 GMT 1
It does amaze me how much Paul Simpson is mentioned on this board,
At least the guy is prepared to hold his hand up and admit the mistake he made
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 15, 2010 20:37:31 GMT 1
At least the guy is prepared to hold his hand up and admit the mistake he made Perhaps if he done that a bit while he was here, he still might be.
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Post by Dale on Sept 15, 2010 20:40:34 GMT 1
It does amaze me how much Paul Simpson is mentioned on this board, At least the guy is prepared to hold his hand up and admit the mistake he made One of the things that rankled me about Simmo was his failure to accept any blame or responsibility in his post match interviews.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 20:41:55 GMT 1
At least the guy is prepared to hold his hand up and admit the mistake he made Perhaps if he done that a bit while he was here, he still might be. Well said that man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 20:45:59 GMT 1
we do still seem to be a tad Simmo obsessed though for me. He's gone, we've moved on - what's the big deal?
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Post by theyesman on Sept 15, 2010 22:03:57 GMT 1
...and we’d also got other good strikers like Guy Madjo... edit to say: he's since gone on to play for Guangdong Sunray Cave (China league one) and now Bylis Ballsh (Albanian Superliga). Certainly racking up the airmiles. Terrific judge of player potential was old Simmo. He'll try and tell us that he let Marc Pugh go because we had such quality wingers, such as Jake Simpson
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Post by mrmagoo on Sept 15, 2010 22:32:18 GMT 1
...and we’d also got other good strikers like Guy Madjo... edit to say: he's since gone on to play for Guangdong Sunray Cave (China league one) and now Bylis Ballsh (Albanian Superliga). Certainly racking up the airmiles. Terrific judge of player potential was old Simmo. He'll try and tell us that he let Marc Pugh go because we had such quality wingers, such as Jake Simpson Let him go is a tad underestimated, he TOLD him to do one and find another club or rot on the bench.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 15, 2010 22:52:38 GMT 1
That is an absolutely pee poor article by Simpson. Total rubbish.
Madjo had played 5 games for Simpson and never scored. He never played another game after that summer. Everyone knows he only stayed because no-one wanted him at our level and he didn't want to go back to the conference on loan.
Symes was on loan at Macclesfield when Simpson arrived. He had never had him as a Town player when he released Constable. By the November he was out on loan again after just 7 appearances for Simpson, and finished the season at Accrington, having started only 2 of his 11 appearances under Simpson.
Simpson did not have a straight choice to keep "Constable or Holt". That is simply not true. He signed Walker that summer.
So Constable was shown the door after 7 games, to bring in Walker and keep Madjo and Symes. According to soccerbase Constable (who Simpson says was "too short" in the article) is 6 foot 1, on Oxford's website it says he is 6 foot 2, and Walker was 6 foot, as was Holt, and Madjo.
The only decision Simpson got right in the whole thing was buying Holt.
That article really, really disappoints me because it is a rewriting of history that almost makes you think it is deliberately dishonest.
There is no way he thought Madjo and Symes were good players to keep or they would have had more than two starts BETWEEN them for the rest of their Shrewsbury Town careers under Simpson.
He wanted rid of several of them and Constable was the only one we got an offer for. The fact we got an offer should have been the clue he was the one worth keeping.
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Post by jaytee on Sept 15, 2010 22:56:42 GMT 1
we do still seem to be a tad Simmo obsessed though for me. He's gone, we've moved on - what's the big deal? I think it's because he p**sed a lot of us off. Especially those of us who were on his side. Not just me, but more frighteningly for him, Roland.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 1:23:37 GMT 1
I'm not sure I think Roland probably p&*(d Simpson off, first by having to lose Tierney and then Holt the following summer,
I personally always rated Constable when he was at town, looked an 'all round' forward, that said I forgot about him when Holt came in, Simpson should have monitored him more closey when on loan, saying that hasn't he (Simpson) got links with Oxford having played there?
The Guy Madjo is a bit of Simmo nonsense though, I never actually saw Samuel E'to's strike partner play, but he didn't really get a chance at all, even less so than one David Hunt.
Incidentally does anyone feel that Simpson's biggest mistake (in terms of the front two) was ditching Walker just after christmas? - granted he was slow, but probably a better finisher (at least one on one) than Holty
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 16, 2010 10:01:57 GMT 1
Shame we can't link our fanzine article with Constable to that site
How many's Constable going to bang in this weekend then?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 16, 2010 10:29:02 GMT 1
TBH by "A little bit short" what he is saying is he thought he was a little bit short of quality or what it takes rather than short in stature.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 16, 2010 11:52:13 GMT 1
Never ever thought Constable was short in quality, he looked a proper goalscorer.
Some of what Simpson says is just gibberish. No mention in the article of Constable's comments that he never had any contact from Simpson during his loan spell or how he wasn't really told he was wanted as per fanzine article.
Good strikers like Guy Madjo?? Couldn't afford to keep both Constable and Holt, even though Holt had only just signed, and he then went on to sign another striker?
And then it glosses over the fact that even if Simpson didn't think he was up to it in training he might have possibly changed his mind after a very successful loan spell away, but no Simpson still decided to sell him. Or might that because Simpson didn't keep an eye on him whatsoever during that loan spell.
I wonder if Constable's seen the article.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 16, 2010 12:30:34 GMT 1
Neither did I stfcfan87 I was just pointing out to TBH that I think he is misinterpreting what Simpson is saying.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 16, 2010 12:57:40 GMT 1
No I get you Sean, just picking holes in the article
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 16, 2010 13:17:41 GMT 1
Neither did I stfcfan87 I was just pointing out to TBH that I think he is misinterpreting what Simpson is saying. Ah ok, that makes better sense. Mind you, Constable wasn't "short" of 50 goals in 2 seasons at Oxford, so either way Simpson was talking rot.
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Post by nicko on Sept 16, 2010 13:20:09 GMT 1
The only decision Simpson got right in the whole thing was buying Holt. And I'm not a 100% convinced that signing Holt was a such a good thing. I remarked at the time that I would have preferred the £170k spent on a couple of good mid-fielders and we were in danger of becoming a one man team. The more I reflect on Holt's time here I wish he hadn't have come. Set aside the tidy profit the Club made when we sold him on, his genuine quality and impressive work-rate it was all wasted because he had nobody around him, apart Davies, on his wavelength our anywhere near the standards that he set. At that particular moment in time he was simply to good for us and he knew it. All you had to do was look at his frustration directed at Chris Humphrey after another poor delivery or dead end run. I got the impression that he wasn't well liked around the Club and I've been told that he did cause a split in the dressing room, in fact I have been told of three distinct cliques in the playing staff that season. All this despite that fact we reached, somehow, the play-off final. Would we have got there if we didn't have him? I'd like to think that if Simpson had spent the money wisely on a couple of strong, dominant, ball playing mid-fielders we might have gone up automatically, because maybe our away record would have been better. I'm convinced that James Constable would have scored goals for us, Hibbert would have chipped in as would Davies.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 16, 2010 13:35:03 GMT 1
Nicko - "tidy profit", "genuine quality" & "impressive work-rate"? If every player gave us what Holt did I think we'd be pretty happy!
Of course his signing was a good thing and no, he wasn't too good for us. I saw him miss too many sitters to believe that. Cliques can form at any club with any players, regardless of their quality.
He gave us an excellent goalscoring season and a profit at the end of it. We almost went up but we (and Holt) weren't good enough on the day.
We'll remember Grant Holt long after we've forgotten most players so I'll never regret that we signed him.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 16, 2010 13:37:39 GMT 1
we do still seem to be a tad Simmo obsessed though for me. He's gone, we've moved on - what's the big deal? Agreed. All views are known by now and too often repeated (including mine). Time for a break.
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 16, 2010 13:39:27 GMT 1
Who knows what might have happened, but I think Holt and Constable would have worked well together. Constable had already shown he was a capable League 2 striker with his brace against the eventual champs, MK Dons.
For Simpson to say he had other good strikers like Symes and Madjo and so loaned out Constable is a pathetic re-write of history. He didn't fancy either of them either.
Simpson rushed to judgement because Constable had come from non-league and ended up with egg all over his face as a result.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 16, 2010 13:42:16 GMT 1
we do still seem to be a tad Simmo obsessed though for me. He's gone, we've moved on - what's the big deal? Agreed. All views are known by now and too often repeated (including mine). Time for a break. I disagree. He has made a new claim (releasing Constable because he signed Holt, thought Madjo and Symes were good) which is being discussed.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 16, 2010 13:47:02 GMT 1
I can't remember any player being judged so highly on such flimsy evidence as Constable for his 2 goals against MKD. The number of times this has been cited as evidence of his quality beggars belief. They were simple enough finishes - great at the time but hardly evidence of lasting quality.
I'm not saying he isn't a decent striker (though I'm not at all convinced he's the great lost hope that some seem to think) but you'd think he'd done a one man demolition of a great team the way some people talk of that night, rather than a couple of routine finishes against MKD.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 16, 2010 13:52:00 GMT 1
Agreed. All views are known by now and too often repeated (including mine). Time for a break. I disagree. He has made a new claim (releasing Constable because he signed Holt, thought Madjo and Symes were good) which is being discussed. Can't see anything new there, apart from maybe that "with hindsight" (which is the crucial bit that lots of people ignore) maybe he should have kept him. Done to death.
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Post by alex1993 on Sept 16, 2010 14:08:14 GMT 1
i the person who said we've moved on from simmo is wrong. he set out a 3 year plan to get us in and secure in league 1 but he didnt do such a thing in the time he had. he let so many good players go ie constable and always seemed to be very clueless when things were going wrong. sign of a bad manager.
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Post by mrmagoo on Sept 16, 2010 14:19:00 GMT 1
. No mention in the article of Constable's comments that he never had any contact from Simpson during his loan spell or how he wasn't really told he was wanted as per fanzine article. Found the article. Constable said: “I'm obviously open to offers at the moment. “I haven't heard anything from Shrewsbury since the day I left – something that is disappointing on my behalf – but at the moment I'm just enjoying playing football, and if something happens, it will happen. “Getting noticed is something that comes with scoring goals and the team doing well, but I'm over the moon being here, playing week in, week out, and being in a winning side at the moment.” Link------> Goal Machine
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 16, 2010 14:24:48 GMT 1
Can't see anything new there, apart from maybe that "with hindsight" (which is the crucial bit that lots of people ignore) maybe he should have kept him. Done to death. I disagree. The version of the story he is now telling is that he kept Madjo and Symes because he thought they were better players and that he had to release someone because he had signed Holt. Something is clearly wrong with that, because he also signed Walker, and Symes and Madjo only ever started two games from that point onwards for Paul Simpson so to suggest they were his grand plan when he released Constable is fanciful in the extreme.
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