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Post by hooverfoxhat on Aug 29, 2010 17:33:40 GMT 1
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Post by jamo on Aug 29, 2010 19:40:42 GMT 1
You can imagie this being printed off and placed on someone's desk in the morning.
Pretty petty actions by any club in my opinion and ultimately much more damaging for the respective club than for any individuals.
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Post by siabod on Aug 29, 2010 20:01:09 GMT 1
Just had to happen , some of the postings that appear on many sites are IMO totally unacceptable. A couple of years ago there was a similar incident involving another club (may have been Coventry) that caused quite a stir. A few postings on B & A have again IMO been quite offensive to various people and based on unsubstantiated content, I seem to remember a thread which may have been "Where has the money gone" which would have not pleased me had I been on the receiving end of some of the remarks. I did suggest a while ago that a post be removed by the moderators because I felt it could cause B & A problems but was told it "would disappear quickly" if it did, this in the days of instant print outs etc would be too late if the accused decided to take action against the poster or B & A. Criticism is fine if you feel it justified, unfounded accusations are another matter.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 31, 2010 9:31:47 GMT 1
I see they also are into the coffee and biscuits and a quiet chat at the stadium approach.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 31, 2010 9:39:33 GMT 1
what a load of cobblers
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Post by Fingers on Aug 31, 2010 9:55:35 GMT 1
This is solely a northampton town fc matter.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 31, 2010 10:17:08 GMT 1
Criticism is fine if you feel it justified, unfounded accusations are another matter. and that is the big difference for when it starts to go legal. You are right about some of what is ssai,d and many other board are far, far worse. I think not allowing guests has cleaned this board up a bit too.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 31, 2010 10:25:04 GMT 1
Any idea what were said that brought the club to make such a statement?
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Post by scooter on Aug 31, 2010 10:58:53 GMT 1
Any idea what were said that brought the club to make such a statement? no idea, but will almost inevitably be about finance I expect
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Post by DaveG on Aug 31, 2010 11:03:20 GMT 1
You can imagie this being printed off and placed on someone's desk in the morning. Pretty petty actions by any club in my opinion and ultimately much more damaging for the respective club than for any individuals. i think without knowing the accusations made it is difficult to say that Al - if you or I were Chairman of any business and believed there to be malicious or untruthful accusations made that could affect our image, we might well take the same steps.
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Post by jamo on Aug 31, 2010 17:04:18 GMT 1
i think without knowing the accusations made it is difficult to say that Al - if you or I were Chairman of any business and believed there to be malicious or untruthful accusations made that could affect our image, we might well take the same steps. Not sure i agree with that DG. If anyone has a problem with an individuals comments then there are avenues for them to seek redress from those same said individuals through a number of channels. To target many, many of their fans/customers through a blanket approach to control is, in my opinion, a cheap and somewhat cowardly approach. Nothing more than big brother flexing their muscles. It never fails to amaze me how all these really successful, powerful businessmen who have clearly made big decisions in their working lives and who have no doubt offended and been offended throughout their careers suddenly become these shy, sensitive, bashful little chaps when they assume control of a football club. Then again, perhaps that's why they are successful business people, they know how to bully people and get their own way at any cost.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Aug 31, 2010 18:04:14 GMT 1
Didnt something like this happen on Herefords board and a board member banned from Edgar Street.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 16:17:56 GMT 1
I think due credit should be paid to Northampton Town FC for taking this stance. Communications like this one can leave no-one in any doubt what is acceptable and what isn't. It accepts that criticism is part and parcel of the industry and that opinions are what makes the message board a kind of addictive place to visit. Football is a massively emotive subject and just because your opinion might differ from the football club's shouldn't mean you should be restricted from giving it. However, if your main objective is to rumour monger and cause mischief without foundation, I hope NTFC manage to reel in the perpetrators doing it (the club) harm
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Post by DiglisShrew on Sept 1, 2010 17:46:32 GMT 1
You can imagie this being printed off and placed on someone's desk in the morning. Pretty petty actions by any club in my opinion and ultimately much more damaging for the respective club than for any individuals. Jamo , I'm just wondering just how thick your "file" is by now ?
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2010 19:24:33 GMT 1
Not sure at all about that. I maintain that football messageboards are nothing more than talking shops and pub conversations and should be treated as such. Do the club have spies in all the alehouses of the town in order to crush speculation, rumour and gossip? No libel or slander law is rendered useless should a messageboard contributor be deemed to be accountable for their contributions so what is the problem. Go for the individual and not a blanket ban on the messageboard. Would the club actively persue the landlord and customers of a pub just because one customer said something they didn't like ? It's a bullyboy tactic and one that should be resisted. Pretty thick I would think matey I'll be one of the first against the wall- along with Rogerson- if the paranoid one ever gets full power
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 19:41:24 GMT 1
Blanket ban, Jamo? Thought it was just a statement.
I don't see the problem to be honest with the warning. It's not the same as someone spreading a rumour in a pub because it's written down and visible by potentially thousands of others, including the media etc.
It might make one or two thinking twice on that board before posting unsupported rubbish.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Sept 1, 2010 19:47:00 GMT 1
can we keep Hereford United out of this please
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 19:48:15 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 1, 2010 20:30:22 GMT 1
Graham Tuner can rest assured when he kips down tonight with William Hague - we won't breathe a word.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 20:52:41 GMT 1
Not sure at all about that. I maintain that football messageboards are nothing more than talking shops and pub conversations and should be treated as such. Do the club have spies in all the alehouses of the town in order to crush speculation, rumour and gossip? No libel or slander law is rendered useless should a messageboard contributor be deemed to be accountable for their contributions so what is the problem. Go for the individual and not a blanket ban on the messageboard. Would the club actively persue the landlord and customers of a pub just because one customer said something they didn't like ? It's a bullyboy tactic and one that should be resisted. Jamo: the club have seen what was posted and if they deem it to be libellous, then absolutely they should pursue the individuals - which is exactly what the statement says does it not? Not a bully boy tactic and not one that should be met with resistance either. Fans can't simply post whatever they like if there's no substance to what may be a potentially libellous claim - surely you respect that? Hearsay is insufficient to spread malicious claims which without knowing all the facts, is still what I have read between the statement's lines. That said, I respect your opinion. It's just that you're wrong
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2010 21:22:12 GMT 1
Interesting that there is a clear division of opinion between those that ` have a vested interest` in towing the party line and those that stand outside the circle.
I respect your opinion of course but you couldn't be more wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 22:05:55 GMT 1
Jamo - for the record I haven't been 'inside the circle' since the beginning of the year. In fact I'm about as far removed from it as the day I first began my links with the club. And that's not by choice let me tell you Sir. Northampton Town have already stated that they respect opinions and take the sh*t with the sugar - 'tis the nature of the beast. It's when a line is crossed that they have felt the need to address it. Maybe I am wrong, but you'd be hard pressed to prove it and that of course works in reverse mate
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2010 22:13:23 GMT 1
Therefore my argument still stands that any action taken on behalf of the club should be against the individual and not a football messageboards community.
Scattergun approach that serves to do nothing but hack off the majority. Weak and cowardly in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 22:17:42 GMT 1
"This is a fans message board and we have no intention of intervening again but we will take action again without warning should the practice of posting false allegations against the club, our Chairman, Directors, personnel or employees continue. The club apologies for having to take this action but lies and malicious gossip on a public message board will not be tolerated because of the damage it can cause to our business and our integrity."
Still not sure what your argument is....
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2010 22:29:31 GMT 1
My argument is that any club- in this case Northampton Town- will know and can take action against any individual that libels them. They do not need to threaten action against the many.
Most clubs despise unofficial sites because they have no control over them and anyone who has ever sat in on a meeting with Shrewsbury Town officials could ever dispute that fact. Threats like this current one have been tried before ( Sheff Wed for example) and they always end up the same.
Oh for a club that has the insite to work with all factions of it's support instead of just paying lip service to those that they hold in their palm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 22:58:55 GMT 1
Jamo, couldn't agree more with you about the club working with the fans. We have a superb fan base constructed of people of all ages, backgrounds and skills and the club can certainly improve its interaction to get the best from this big asset it has at its disposal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 23:00:00 GMT 1
Scattergun approach that serves to do nothing but hack off the majority. Weak and cowardly in my opinion. Is that what has happened on the Northampton messageboard then, any evidence?
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Post by gay on Sept 2, 2010 0:50:50 GMT 1
The problem is quashing needless gossip. People have a habit nowadays of thinking something is true because it is on the internet. Although there are many intelligent people who read the detail behind the headlines, there are lots who still believe stuff at face value and are unwilling to find out the facts and reasons for themselves. You can not control what people say in a free society however professional journalists know the responsibilities they hold in providing factual information, unlike gossipers who have access to spread their messages on an internet forum.
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Post by jamo on Sept 2, 2010 8:01:58 GMT 1
You can not control what people say in a free society however professional journalists know the responsibilities they hold in providing factual information, unlike gossipers who have access to spread their messages on an internet forum. If that is true then how do newspapers like The Sun, The Star, News of the World et al ever get published ? It's nonsense of course. When a newspaper publishes lies or gossip the author and editor are accountable, not everyone who works or contributes to the paper. To my mind messageboards are no different. The smart clubs involve their fans and have a dialogue with them - as STFC do when it suits! - not seek to alienate large sections of support by adopting big brother tactics.
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Post by nicko on Sept 2, 2010 9:25:05 GMT 1
I don't have a vested interest and I must say wholeheartedly agree with Ant and Page58.
I would argue that the "weak and cowardly" are those people who chose to post false accusations, without supporting evidence, using a pseudonym. If they had a genuine case/concerns why not take it up with the club?
In the several meeting with Club officials that I have attended B & A has been mentioned twice and I certainly didn't get the impression that Club officials had any frustrations over something they can't/couldn't control. Incredulity over some of the postings, especially about the health of RW, but never anger or frustration over something they can't control.
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