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Post by froggy on Aug 25, 2010 15:21:08 GMT 1
extreme bias opinion from yourself. I'm sorry, but EVERY single fan knows that you're NOT ALLOWED on the pitch. Even if he fell onto the pitch, he shouldn't have had his body leaning over the barrier. Its not so crammed at that stadium that you're hanging over the barrier is it? As for the unfairness, they're doing their jobs, think about it, 2000 fans going mental and obviously annoyed and one pops over the barrier, they have to remover him instantly. No hesitation. As for the manner in which they escorted him, it was completely fair, if anything the t****r deserved to be smacked round the face. Poor bloke, a suspected broken elbow, i'm sure he doesn't give a cr@p about the steward who he kicked in the face. His friend was sensible and was escorted easily. I feel ashamed that we have fans that act in this way, what made it worse was that the fans infront of me applauded him as he was getting carried away. Finally, i'm sure you feel so big and feel you achieved something by splashing abuse at a female steward. Well done One he didn’t run on the pitch so if you want to throw your opinion around get your facts right first! He fell over the wall and yes maybe shouldn’t have leaned forward, maybe he had, had too much to drink and maybe they were right to throw him out but I saw how the woman steward handled the situation and she was out of order. Two I am female and heard how the woman steward spoke to allot of people which caused allot of Fans to get annoyed and angry, her attitude was nothing more of a joke but I don’t sit on message boards all day complaining and b***hing about things, I wrote to Stoke football club this morning putting in a formal complaint against the 'female Steward' in question as when asked calmly by a young town support a question she told me to ‘Shut up and Sit down’. Later on when I asked her for name cause I wanted to make a complaint and she told them ‘I am not giving you my name, now go away’. This isn’t the sort of attitude I expect to get from a steward let alone a lady steward but at the end of the day she is there to do a job and supporters asking questions as far as I was aware was part of her job. Hopefully the club will take some action about her attitude and the way she handles situations. You're looking at this from one angle here. She had hundreds of fans howling abuse at stewards so of course she's going to tell you to shut up. Or maybe, you're so important that she should sit there and explain to you nice and clearly. You're way out of order belittleing the steward staff, branding them as meatheads, tools and speaking about them as if they're nothing important. You have taken your time to complain about one person telling you to shut up yet you haven't taken the time to write to STFC complaining about the disgusting behaviour and abuse that our thuggish fans were howling at the stewards. Nobody deserves to be the victim of racism. They have signed up to do a job, they take orders from their boss and last night that was to sit infront of a seemingly threatening crowd. I see nothing wrong there. We are a good football club and have a large number of friendly fans. However, last night, i felt as if I was sat with Telford fans. My opinion is not that he walked on the pitch, that is a fact, the area surrounding the pitch, is the pitch. The pitch goes all the way up to the barrier. If it wasn't the pitch, then you'd be allowed on the surrounding area. You need to get your head out of your a**e and think about what actually happened. A woman sat at the front being a victim of abuse because she's doing her job, and all you can think about is yourself. Think of the stewards who were unfairly abused, because of their colour. Complain to the club about this happening. Heavenly, calling someone a p**i or n****r is not freedom of speech, it is an insult aimed to belittle the person its being dished at. I don't understand why humans are still so primitive as to judge someone by the colour of their skin, you may as well judge absolutely everyone then. Its pathetic!
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2010 15:21:23 GMT 1
its a good job stewards dont have tazars or cattle prods
i suppose had the fans been animals the stewards would have been up in court this morning
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Post by africanshrew on Aug 25, 2010 15:22:31 GMT 1
Should have said it sounded like a great turn out and brilliant support from the vast majority - wish I could have been there. Things are on the up!
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Post by froggy on Aug 25, 2010 15:25:01 GMT 1
Should have said it sounded like a great turn out and brilliant support from the vast majority - wish I could have been there. Things are on the up! It was a brilliant turn out. Brilliant support and I loved to be part of it, just like the majority that were there, but I think some people turned up purely to cause trouble. We played brilliantly, we walked away with our heads held high. Its a positive.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 25, 2010 15:55:11 GMT 1
One he didn’t run on the pitch so if you want to throw your opinion around get your facts right first! He fell over the wall and yes maybe shouldn’t have leaned forward, maybe he had, had too much to drink and maybe they were right to throw him out but I saw how the woman steward handled the situation and she was out of order. Two I am female and heard how the woman steward spoke to allot of people which caused allot of Fans to get annoyed and angry, her attitude was nothing more of a joke but I don’t sit on message boards all day complaining and b***hing about things, I wrote to Stoke football club this morning putting in a formal complaint against the 'female Steward' in question as when asked calmly by a young town support a question she told me to ‘Shut up and Sit down’. Later on when I asked her for name cause I wanted to make a complaint and she told them ‘I am not giving you my name, now go away’. This isn’t the sort of attitude I expect to get from a steward let alone a lady steward but at the end of the day she is there to do a job and supporters asking questions as far as I was aware was part of her job. Hopefully the club will take some action about her attitude and the way she handles situations. Heavenly, calling someone a p**i or n****r is not freedom of speech, it is an insult aimed to belittle the person its being dished at. I don't understand why humans are still so primitive as to judge someone by the colour of their skin, you may as well judge absolutely everyone then. Its pathetic! You are missing the point shouting EEEEEEDL at people in not against any law.
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Post by dee on Aug 25, 2010 16:19:49 GMT 1
One he didn’t run on the pitch so if you want to throw your opinion around get your facts right first! He fell over the wall and yes maybe shouldn’t have leaned forward, maybe he had, had too much to drink and maybe they were right to throw him out but I saw how the woman steward handled the situation and she was out of order. Two I am female and heard how the woman steward spoke to allot of people which caused allot of Fans to get annoyed and angry, her attitude was nothing more of a joke but I don’t sit on message boards all day complaining and b***hing about things, I wrote to Stoke football club this morning putting in a formal complaint against the 'female Steward' in question as when asked calmly by a young town support a question she told me to ‘Shut up and Sit down’. Later on when I asked her for name cause I wanted to make a complaint and she told them ‘I am not giving you my name, now go away’. This isn’t the sort of attitude I expect to get from a steward let alone a lady steward but at the end of the day she is there to do a job and supporters asking questions as far as I was aware was part of her job. Hopefully the club will take some action about her attitude and the way she handles situations. You're looking at this from one angle here. She had hundreds of fans howling abuse at stewards so of course she's going to tell you to shut up. Or maybe, you're so important that she should sit there and explain to you nice and clearly. You're way out of order belittleing the steward staff, branding them as meatheads, tools and speaking about them as if they're nothing important. You have taken your time to complain about one person telling you to shut up yet you haven't taken the time to write to STFC complaining about the disgusting behaviour and abuse that our thuggish fans were howling at the stewards. Nobody deserves to be the victim of racism. They have signed up to do a job, they take orders from their boss and last night that was to sit infront of a seemingly threatening crowd. I see nothing wrong there. We are a good football club and have a large number of friendly fans. However, last night, i felt as if I was sat with Telford fans. My opinion is not that he walked on the pitch, that is a fact, the area surrounding the pitch, is the pitch. The pitch goes all the way up to the barrier. If it wasn't the pitch, then you'd be allowed on the surrounding area. You need to get your head out of your a**e and think about what actually happened. A woman sat at the front being a victim of abuse because she's doing her job, and all you can think about is yourself. Think of the stewards who were unfairly abused, because of their colour. Complain to the club about this happening. Heavenly, calling someone a p**i or n****r is not freedom of speech, it is an insult aimed to belittle the person its being dished at. I don't understand why humans are still so primitive as to judge someone by the colour of their skin, you may as well judge absolutely everyone then. Its pathetic! I have my opinion and go around it in my own way, I don’t see how me feeling someone attitude contributed to some of the hostility within the ground and speaking with some of her fellow co-workers who actually told me that she was on a power trip and that she always goes around things in the wrong way (yes Stoke stewards told me this) doesn’t mean I have my head up my arse. She didn’t tell me to shut up she told someone else, she ignored another woman and where were you when this all happened. I was unfortunately sat in the middle so saw everything. If I want to write a complaint I do not see why this means I should be spoken to at the way you have just done, I am person of my own mind and DO NOT follow the pack, if I want to complain I shall and I certainly bloody did and would do so again. I think your contradicting yourself here called people racist but to me saying 'I felt I was sat with Telford fans' is racist comment to me, what are you trying to say about Telford fans? Your being bias there? Not all Telford fans are the same but I am not getting in a debate with you cause your obviously hot headed and just as bad as the people shouting abuse and being hostile because your abusing me for sticking up for a few people by not mouthing off and swearing left right and centre BUT by going around it a grown up manner and writing a complaint about who I felt was rude and out of order. If you don’t like the behaviour of the lads who caused trouble (in your childish words) ‘get you head out arse’ and stopping moaning to me love and write to the club cause to be honest I don’t care! Your just a hot headed person who from what I can see in your last comment spends more time moaning about a situation rather than doing something about it. Did I call anyone Racist name NO so I would appreciate you NOT taking that attitude with me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 16:28:35 GMT 1
Well if people following STFC away from home are prepared to racially abuse their fellow away fans and we have people on an STFC messageboard who have previously been happy to be anti-semitic to fellow Town fans why should anyone be suprised that there are people associated with STFC who are happy to racially abuse random people from other clubs. A shame really. Sounds like we played well mind
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 25, 2010 16:35:06 GMT 1
You are missing the point shouting EEEEEEDL at people in not against any law. If it can be proved that the aim of shouting it is to cause offence due to their race then it is.
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Post by dee on Aug 25, 2010 16:37:58 GMT 1
Well if people following STFC away from home are prepared to racially abuse their fellow away fans and we have people on an STFC messageboard who have previously been happy to be anti-semitic to fellow Town fans why should anyone be suprised that there are people associated with STFC who are happy to racially abuse random people from other clubs. A shame really. Sounds like we played well mind We did play great Shambles! Great Performance from town players! I dont think anything should take away from that. I was so proud of our lads
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Post by Mike on Aug 25, 2010 16:58:35 GMT 1
3 people thrown out, in a crowd of 3,000 away fans. Big deal.
Any arrests were there, assaults, murders?
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Post by weststandshrew on Aug 25, 2010 17:49:52 GMT 1
I thought the ejections helped create a better atmosphere in a roundabout way cos if you see one of your own fans getting carried out in such a heavy handed-way, whether warranted or not your natural reaction in the heat of the moment is to fire a volley of abuse at the stewards. Its just tribe mentality really. Having said that I do respect them for the difficult job they do a bit like referees I suppose.
For the person who complained about the language I'm afraid this is a passionate cup tie surrounded by 3000 die-hard Salop fans. I feel sorry for the little-ones who had to put up with bad language but it was always going to be that way.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 25, 2010 17:55:08 GMT 1
You are missing the point shouting EEEEEEDL at people in not against any law. If it can be proved that the aim of shouting it is to cause offence due to their race then it is. Yes quite correct - particularly in the area of a football ground where additional ground restrictions and regulations apply. On the issue of confronting people who are chanting racist or threatening behaviour - not its not a good idea to confront them, even if you happen to be a 6 feet 5 body builder. Better bet is to try and spot where they are sitting seat number and row and report the incident to the clubs own racism reporting system (the numbers normally in the programme or boards in the ground) or alternatively report them to the Kick It Out number on 0800 169 9414. Most phones have video, sound and cameras on them too so a quick pic of the offending individual comes in handy too. Admittedly this doesn't solve the problem on the day, but long term convictions, banning orders and withdrawl of season tickets is taking place as a result of this reporting. Didn't go to Stoke so won't comment on those issues, but would encourage anyone who sits by fans regularly making racist or threatening chants to report them. Long term thats the best way to stop incidents like those at Stoke from happening.
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Post by nicko on Aug 25, 2010 18:13:24 GMT 1
If it can be proved that the aim of shouting it is to cause offence due to their race then it is. Yes quite correct - particularly in the area of a football ground where additional ground restrictions and regulations apply. On the issue of confronting people who are chanting racist or threatening behaviour - not its not a good idea to confront them, even if you happen to be a 6 feet 5 body builder. Better bet is to try and spot where they are sitting seat number and row and report the incident to the clubs own racism reporting system (the numbers normally in the programme or boards in the ground) or alternatively report them to the Kick It Out number on 0800 169 9414. Most phones have video, sound and cameras on them too so a quick pic of the offending individual comes in handy too. Admittedly this doesn't solve the problem on the day, but long term convictions, banning orders and withdrawl of season tickets is taking place as a result of this reporting. Didn't go to Stoke so won't comment on those issues, but would encourage anyone who sits by fans regularly making racist or threatening chants to report them. Long term thats the best way to stop incidents like those at Stoke from happening. I'm pretty sure we've had this debate before. Anyway, still hard to prove by using the method you suggest. www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-14089.html/Appalling treatment. www.tottenhamtrust.com/viewnews.asp?id=407Open to abuse in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:22:32 GMT 1
I thought the ejections helped create a better atmosphere in a roundabout way cos if you see one of your own fans getting carried out in such a heavy handed-way, whether warranted or not your natural reaction in the heat of the moment is to fire a volley of abuse at the stewards. Its just tribe mentality really. Having said that I do respect them for the difficult job they do a bit like referees I suppose. For the person who complained about the language I'm afraid this is a passionate cup tie surrounded by 3000 die-hard Salop fans. I feel sorry for the little-ones who had to put up with bad language but it was always going to be that way. Well this ridiculous post just about sums up the mentality of some of the idiots who attach themselves to ALL football clubs. There are many ways to show your support without the appalling level of bad language that I witnessed from the chap sat in front of me in Block 40, Row 19, Seat 976, who uttered about three "F" words in EVERY single comment he made all evening and considering he gave a running commentary throughout the game, that was a LOT of times. He also continually shouted "Come on you "F*****G C***T" at the majority of our players during the game and then has the audacity to moan at people around him for not supporting the club. If i was a player then I know jolly well which support I would rather (and it's certainly not being called the above) Thankfully when the "if you're all going to Stockport clap your hands" chant was sung, he shouted "NO, i'll be on the F******G big dipper". So thank god for the fact that I won't have to put up with him again on Saturday, although I am sure there will be some other foul mouthed idiot with half a brain cell who will be there to take his place. I really do wonder what the children around me thought of his behaviour and I actually saw 2 people move during the 1st half due to his behaviour. If it was a home game then I would have reported him to the club, but it seems pointless from an away game because they wont be able to identify him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:24:02 GMT 1
And just to point out that the automatic swearword filter has altered the obvious "F" word in the above text
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Post by weststandshrew on Aug 25, 2010 18:31:28 GMT 1
Why is it a ridiculous post? Your post seems ridiculous as you've clearly cited a very extreme example of a fan misbehaving that has nothing to do with my post. No-one likes the type of fan you're describing but all Im saying is if you take kids to away games where theres no family segregation then expect the odd "f**king clear it" or "f**cking ell Leslie put your foot in" or "book the dirty bas**d". Its part and parcel of the game.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 25, 2010 18:42:10 GMT 1
Yes the tottenham case is an example of where the hate crime laws have been wrongly applied, but many cases have successfully resulted in banning orders
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Post by Stue_P on Aug 25, 2010 18:45:24 GMT 1
If i remember correctly the last one to be thrown out was also thrown out at Chesterfield the year before last, also i am sure he was one of the two who hurled a volley of abuse at Luke Daniels at Macclesfiel that same season. About time something was done in terms of a banning order for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:50:35 GMT 1
Why is it a ridiculous post? Your post seems ridiculous as you've clearly cited a very extreme example of a fan misbehaving that has nothing to do with my post. No-one likes the type of fan you're describing but all Im saying is if you take kids to away games where theres no family segregation then expect the odd "f**king clear it" or "f**cking ell Leslie put your foot in" or "book the dirty bas**d". Its part and parcel of the game. Because you are condoning bad language, etc, at games and therefore I believe it's a ridiculous post (my opinion, you don't have to agree with it). As for it being a very extreme example, I hear this all the time at big away matches and so it's not extreme in my opinion. I am not on about the occasional "F" word, as people are passionate about their team, I know that, but i still dont think that it is "part and parcel of the game" as you put it. I am on about continual appalling language and abuse of our own players.
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Post by Bordershrew on Aug 25, 2010 18:59:49 GMT 1
3 people thrown out, in a crowd of 3,000 away fans. Big deal. Any arrests were there, assaults, murders? My thoughts exactly! ..... Pointless do-gooders thread alert.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:59:56 GMT 1
Anyone know if it kicked off after the match? There seemed to be a lot of bad blood between the stewards and a large group of town fans near the front. Not helped by their overzealous manhandling of a couple of Salop fans being ejected. Great to see the Town fans give the stewards a barracking for that over the top piece of security/stewarding. And West Shrew I also just read your above post on another thread, which praised the town fans, who incidentally were shouting racist abuse at the stewards, for their barracking of stewards. So this contributed to my annoyance at your posts. I actually agree that the one ejection SEEMED over zealous, but I am not sure what that bloke did, or who he is, whether he has previously offended, etc, and so I certainly wouldnt be standing there hurling the abuse that was being handed out afterwards. If you dont agree with it, there are ways to object, like reporting them to Stoke City, rather than contributing to the hostility and making things worse
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Post by stockportershrew on Aug 25, 2010 19:09:19 GMT 1
The vocal support was good last night & I'm not particularly worried by bad language but the abuse directed at some of the stewards and Tuncay was deeply unpleasant & sadly we're not talking about odd individuals here or 16 year olds. I thought one guy sat somewhere behind me might have heart attack such was the level the hatred and bile he was directing at Tuncay.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 25, 2010 20:42:17 GMT 1
The only truely innocent person I have ever witnessed being ejected from a ground was Bizzy at Accrington...pure comedy.
There was a young lad with a vuvuzela as well, he blew it twice before a nice young lady in a bright orange coat came over and told him politely not to blow it anymore.
I am pleased to say neither he nor his young (approx 7 year old friend) resorted to abuse....
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Post by jaytee on Aug 25, 2010 21:07:08 GMT 1
The only truely innocent person I have ever witnessed being ejected from a ground was Bizzy at Accrington...pure comedy. It's O.K., owd Bizzy doesn't read b&a. I remember that. I think a Steward went through the formidable 2 foot high gate and forgot to put the complex bolt back on. As Bizzy was doing a victory goal dance, the crowd surged forward, pushed him through and he got ejaculated by the men yeller. Didn't they realise they'd made a mistake and let him back in?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 25, 2010 21:54:22 GMT 1
Being ejaculated by an Accrington steward is enough to bring tears to your eyes.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 25, 2010 22:29:15 GMT 1
The only truely innocent person I have ever witnessed being ejected from a ground was Bizzy at Accrington...pure comedy. It's O.K., owd Bizzy doesn't read b&a. I remember that. I think a Steward went through the formidable 2 foot high gate and forgot to put the complex bolt back on. As Bizzy was doing a victory goal dance, the crowd surged forward, pushed him through and he got ejaculated by the men yeller. Didn't they realise they'd made a mistake and let him back in? It's worth watching the DVD of the 7 - 1 Rochdale game just to count the number of times Bizzy is thrown out, only to reappear shortly afterwards.
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Post by weststandshrew on Aug 25, 2010 22:54:11 GMT 1
GavGav I honestly think we're reading from the same hymn sheet and you've misunderstood my posts. Im not one of these fans that attaches himself to a club and tries to cause trouble Im a loyal family man who has supported the town all my life and been going to away games for 20 years. I certainly dont condone the abuse of stewards, when I was talking about barracking the stewards on another thread I wasnt talking about unprovoked abuse of them but specifically about the incident where the fan was being carted of and the stewards were being criticised by all sections of the Shrewsbury fans for their heavy-handed approach. I also dont condone the use of bad language but happen to think as you do that the odd f word slips out when you're showing passion and its these incidences that often result in do-gooders complaining about the swearing. I go to many away games and I don't hear this "continual appalling language and abuse of our own players" all the time at away games as you seem to. You must be stood with the wrong sort of people!
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Post by theriverside on Aug 25, 2010 23:22:40 GMT 1
It's O.K., owd Bizzy doesn't read b&a. I remember that. I think a Steward went through the formidable 2 foot high gate and forgot to put the complex bolt back on. As Bizzy was doing a victory goal dance, the crowd surged forward, pushed him through and he got ejaculated by the men yeller. Didn't they realise they'd made a mistake and let him back in? It's worth watching the DVD of the 7 - 1 Rochdale game just to count the number of times Bizzy is thrown out, only to reappear shortly afterwards. That was my fault as well that Biz missed one of our greatest ever games Got him on the Pernod in The Church before the game.....................sorry owd lad
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Post by furymuso on Aug 26, 2010 14:07:14 GMT 1
I also herd morons sining EEEDL last night at the asian lads stewardning..... pathetic really... Freedom of speech nowt wrong with that. Question for you Glyn would you call them pathectic to their faces or would you walk away? P.s your spelling is worse than mine. Heavenly Shrew - I've read some of your posts recently and it seems that all you do is get into arguments and make yourself look like an idiot.
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Post by monkee on Aug 26, 2010 14:29:57 GMT 1
3 people thrown out, in a crowd of 3,000 away fans. Big deal. Any arrests were there, assaults, murders? My thoughts exactly! ..... Pointless do-gooders thread alert. so because there are not many people causing trouble or getting thrown out , it should be tolerated? it is a foolish thing to say, it seems to mean that because there are only 0.0140633 murders per 1,000 people in this country, people shouldnt complain. btw, what sort of person thinks that doing good is pointless? WTF?
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