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Post by randomguy123456789 on Jul 28, 2010 13:52:30 GMT 1
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jul 28, 2010 13:54:06 GMT 1
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2010 13:54:43 GMT 1
Boycott the new shirt would be better.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 28, 2010 13:58:14 GMT 1
There is always a point if you feel strongly about something enough...
It may be for nothing but again its a collection of thoughts and peoples responces that could be presented to the club if there is a ground swell of opinian?
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Post by randomguy123456789 on Jul 28, 2010 14:23:22 GMT 1
If everyone thinks theres no point then ultimately they will be right, however if people see that there is a point in turn a point shall be made. At least thats how I see it.
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 15:58:23 GMT 1
instead of boycotting it and protesting - why not come up with a better solution that fits the criteria of why the badge had to be changed in the first place, which also pleases the fans
I personally hate the shrew, I know many who like it. Id go for the river badge - loggerheads to me represent dark jake king days and playing in that awful conference. Sit still Shrews fans but some actually do like the badge and the duo blue tone colour but do not harp on about it like those who hate it.
Any business leader who has people below them coming up with good educated arguments and facts and solutions will let those below usually do what they want in order to achieve a better product.
Speak to the club, find out the criteria from the copyright people on the requirements, speak to the council, get another few more designed and then ask the fans. If I was Roland I would only entertain positive remarks. What good will a petition do? Football is now in a world of image rights and licencing rules. Accept the old badge can not be used, so research and come up with a replacement
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 16:11:53 GMT 1
Billy you are wasting time, I am afraid logical answers are often ignored and it is probably too much like hard work for the likes of SSS, anyway why get in the way of a bit of extremism
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Post by captainpike on Jul 28, 2010 16:15:20 GMT 1
instead of boycotting it and protesting - why not come up with a better solution that fits the criteria of why the badge had to be changed in the first place, which also pleases the fans I personally hate the shrew, I know many who like it. Id go for the river badge - loggerheads to me represent dark jake king days and playing in that awful conference. Sit still Shrews fans but some actually do like the badge and the duo blue tone colour but do not harp on about it like those who hate it. Any business leader who has people below them coming up with good educated arguments and facts and solutions will let those below usually do what they want in order to achieve a better product. Speak to the club, find out the criteria from the copyright people on the requirements, speak to the council, get another few more designed and then ask the fans. If I was Roland I would only entertain positive remarks. What good will a petition do? football is now in a world of image rights and licencing rules. Accept the old badge can not be used, so research and come up with a replacement A petition makes formal peoples grievences. If the petition is signed by a lot of people and they leave constructive comments as well then it may encourage the board to open up a dialogue with fans about why they came to chose the lion and what criteria any badge would have to fit etc. The odd few people sending in new designs will not achieve anything as who is to say it is not just them wanting to change it. A petition is a good way to make the strength of feeling (admittedly not everyone) known and only then can you move to the next stage.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 28, 2010 16:19:10 GMT 1
Agree with Omar....
Are the club aware that a section of the fanbase is turnd off by the current badge do you think Matt?
Again related to the other thread, looking back do you think the message as to why was put over effectively in the first place?
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jul 28, 2010 16:20:08 GMT 1
Whatever happens no one will see the Loggerheads on a town shirt again. It is a shame but that is how it goes.
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 16:22:38 GMT 1
I know I am wasting my time but perhaps slowly one by one, people will understand the reasons PS GREAT BADGE FRED!
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Post by randomguy123456789 on Jul 28, 2010 18:22:17 GMT 1
OK but even if it amounts to nothing at least we tried!
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jul 28, 2010 18:58:28 GMT 1
Agree, the petition if used correctly would give the Chairman/Club a good gauge of fans opinions.
I also agree it will not change his mind but theres no point spouting off at random on here and ignoring a proven logical communication tool.
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Post by randomguy123456789 on Jul 28, 2010 21:04:33 GMT 1
It would also help if people signed using their REAL names and left a POSITIVE comment.
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Post by ambergambler on Jul 28, 2010 21:27:12 GMT 1
Link------> TEXT TO DISPLAY It would also help if people signed using their REAL names and left a POSITIVE comment. Good thread .
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Jul 28, 2010 21:47:46 GMT 1
If everyone thinks theres no point then ultimately they will be right, however if people see that there is a point in turn a point shall be made. At least thats how I see it. Wise words owd lad.
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Post by mattmw on Jul 28, 2010 22:09:59 GMT 1
My main concern with the new badge is the image it gives out to the wider business community about the club. It's a very basic design concept that you commission original artwork in any logo, you never use off the shelf art work as we have. If your a business coming to see the club you will see the two lions above the entrance to the club and think "amateurs".
It's being used in university courses as an example of how not to design a corporate logo, fans rebel against it on websites and some even design their own logos to replace the official one. If you need more reason to replace it then major questions need asking.
The solution is commission local designers to design a new logo based on key items that represent the town including the loggerheads, the river, townskyline etc. In the logo establish the colours of the club which are then used in future kits, corporate publications and merchandise.
Cost at most about £2000 to get the design copyrighted. Would cost the club to replace items with logo on, but would stop the club looking silly and would be good pr with the fans - showing the club listens and takes on fans concerns. Bet shirt sales would go up too.
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Post by Bayston Hill Shrew on Jul 28, 2010 22:37:52 GMT 1
If there was a new badge people would still complain. My feeilng is that if you spend to much time looking back you miss opertunities going forward. . I am not saying I am for or against the new badge but to change it now would cost a lot more that people think. I am told that the two crests that are on the GM now cost in excess of £10,000 when they were put up. I just think the money would be better spent on the football side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 22:38:37 GMT 1
Matt,w - it's all very well quoting theory but we have had sponsors of the stadium, two in fact, in recent seasons, and also a new sponsor for one of the stands. Declare what you like from that but clearly there are those in the business community who do not think "amateurs" when coming to the ground like you profess.
My thoughts on this issue remain the same, if it was a massive issue to a significant proportion of the fanbase then we would have seen more action from the fans regarding it to date.
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Post by mattmw on Jul 28, 2010 22:50:39 GMT 1
Ant - I think you need to look at it in a wider sence than just local sponsors and fans. Because of the Place the club has in our hearts were not going to stop going to matches due to a logo, nor are long term sponsors like Greenhous going to desert the club.
However what the club needs to be doing is pulling in new business partners who will invest long term in the club. These businesses need convincing the club is professional and well run and the badge doesn't at this time reflect this. Name another club or business that has a clip art logo. Sadly other aspects of the club also reflect this similar lack of understanding what commercial clients need from the club. The logo reflects a wider issue that needs addressing if the commercial side of the club isto generate the money needed to take the team forward.
Maybe I'm being too ambitious for the club and we don't need the corporate side of things to be the big income generator it could be. Floppy won't stop me going to games but it does make me cringe while I'm three
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 22:51:43 GMT 1
From my knowledge of the football club, I have been working out that to re-brand the football properly, it would cost in excess of £70,000.
It is certainly possible to look into this in the coming years when crockery in the restaurant becomes chipped and needs replacing and should the club progress higher in the leagues, then perhaps IF the stadium is expanded, perhaps then it will be a suitable time to rebrand once more in a way that appeases everyone.
At the moment there are far more pressing matters. The up keep of the stadium will be a concern in years to come. Already the floodlights are fast reaching the minimum standards, the seats in the away stand are fading from 3 years of sunlight. Paint will have to be repainted in the coming years. Enough moan about bad signings! Im sure everyone would prefer £70,000 to be spent on a great forward than the badge at this stage.
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Post by Bayston Hill Shrew on Jul 28, 2010 22:58:07 GMT 1
From my knowledge of the football club, I have been working out that to re-brand the football properly, it would cost in excess of £70,000. It is certainly possible to look into this in the coming years when crockery in the restaurant becomes chipped and needs replacing and should the club progress higher in the leagues, then perhaps IF the stadium is expanded, perhaps then it will be a suitable time to rebrand once more in a way that appeases everyone. At the moment there are far more pressing matters. The up keep of the stadium will be a concern in years to come. Already the floodlights are fast reaching the minimum standards, the seats in the away stand are fading from 3 years of sunlight. Paint will have to be repainted in the coming years. Enough moan about bad signings! Im sure everyone would prefer £70,000 to be spent on a great forward than the badge at this stage. My thoughts also
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Post by jaytee on Jul 28, 2010 23:00:32 GMT 1
It is certainly possible to look into this in the coming years when crockery in the restaurant becomes chipped and needs replacing I'm willing to organise a Greek night.........
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Post by mattmw on Jul 28, 2010 23:20:15 GMT 1
Think it's a good point that in the coming 3-4 years parts of the ground might need repairing and altering and when these are needed the logo can be looked at in more detail. Longer term it might be worth the club exploring the commercial side of the club floating off as a business in it's own right, with profits going to the club. This would slow more skilled staff to focus on the corporate facilities and focus club staff on the football side of things. It's a model that works well in the charity sector.
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Post by VikingsShrew on Jul 29, 2010 4:47:24 GMT 1
why is nobody calling for a return of the "wire shrew" logo from late80s? wasn't that logo introduced around the time of our centenary?
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Post by shrewd67 on Jul 29, 2010 6:26:01 GMT 1
Petitions? Boycotts? Get a grip. Can't wait for the football to start; yes that's why we're all on here because we support the same team irrespective of the shirt, badge etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 10:12:02 GMT 1
Ant - I think you need to look at it in a wider sence than just local sponsors and fans. Because of the Place the club has in our hearts were not going to stop going to matches due to a logo, nor are long term sponsors like Greenhous going to desert the club. However what the club needs to be doing is pulling in new business partners who will invest long term in the club. These businesses need convincing the club is professional and well run and the badge doesn't at this time reflect this. Name another club or business that has a clip art logo. Sadly other aspects of the club also reflect this similar lack of understanding what commercial clients need from the club. The logo reflects a wider issue that needs addressing if the commercial side of the club isto generate the money needed to take the team forward. Maybe I'm being too ambitious for the club and we don't need the corporate side of things to be the big income generator it could be. Floppy won't stop me going to games but it does make me cringe while I'm three I am looking at it wider view and hope that my experience working with businesses hold some sway here too because I have never heard a business comment, never mind complain, about the logo of a supplier, customer or any other business. I agree the club can make some improvements commercially but we also see that the club has found a ground sponsor twice in recent seasons and we've just signed up with a far more well know kit supplier than previously - I can not claim to know too much more about the commercial state of the club but I can not accept that the badge is having a significant impact on the club's commercial ability to attract sponosrhip or deal with other potential partners. I appreciate it's a concern for some fans. Do I prefer the loggerheads? I do, but it's not a massive issue for me and for the majority of fans I see little evidence of it either.
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Post by earleyshrew on Jul 29, 2010 10:32:16 GMT 1
I don't like the new badge and will always prefer the loggerheads, possibly due to the era I started watching the town. I'm not aiming this allegation at everyone who dislikes the new badge as I am included but isn't this another negative swipe at the club based upon a personal opinion. Sometimes there is a bigger picture to consider and the club will never be all things to all people so why all the negativity ?
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Post by jamo on Jul 29, 2010 12:59:38 GMT 1
I know I am wasting my time but perhaps slowly one by one, people will understand the reasons Go on then , waste some time. What are the reasons because i for one cannot remember the club giving clear reasons as to why the badge was changed. I agree with ant to an extent that commercially it remains a doubt as to the impact this change has had but sometimes an identity is a bit more than commercial. Would The Dippers replacing the Liver bird on their club crest with an image of a boat or something similar mean they sell less merchandise, no not at all, but it would destroy and betray that clubs history and heritage and it's sense of belonging to the community it represents. On a much smaller scale that is exactly what STFC have done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 15:37:08 GMT 1
I will not be signing - I like the new badge
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